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chorob
June 30th, 2009, 09:27 PM
Hello,

I just took the dive into what I call my summer of Boxee. I was sick of paying $90/month for essentially 4 HD channels I watch regularly that aren't available over the air and a DVR.

I convinced the wife we should try using Boxee for the summer and reevaluate our decision this fall.

I have one PC already on our bedroom TV and will set another up for our living room. Currently using my iPhone as the remote but need something that can stay in the room.

Any suggestions out there from anyone who has successfully transitioned from dish to Boxee and stayed married?

Thanks!

sfsmiley
June 30th, 2009, 09:43 PM
Any suggestions out there from anyone who has successfully transitioned from dish to Boxee and stayed married?

Thanks!

cant say about the married part lol, but pretty much swear by MCE remotes, using 4 here.

roontoon
June 30th, 2009, 09:56 PM
Harmony 880 here.... love it. Dead easy for the wife. Push the button that says watch Boxee and the thing switches to the Mini, selects the correct video input on the TV, and selects the surround sound system for the audio. Select listen to music and it does it's thing again. Wife loves it. A little pricey but worth it for the lack of "I can't figure out this damn remote talk". Priceless!

d

shawnx
July 1st, 2009, 05:45 AM
Loving boxee, and my wife, but keeping the dish for now ;)

I love my Firefly remote (very wife friendly): http://www.snapstream.com/Products/Firefly/

judgeschambers
July 1st, 2009, 06:42 AM
Just got an Apple TV last weekend. Installed Boxee and love it. (tested on a windows machine during private & public alpha).

Even though currently Hulu and a few lesser Internet video sites don't work on ATV, we are still canceling the TW Cable this weekend. We intend to use a mix of local over air HD, Boxee and just a couple "other" Internet supplied items to fill the gap that cable will no longer fill. Lets face it, Boxee does not yet have all the content that cable does. So, you will need a mix of sorts to get all your media fixes.

We did not have premium channels, so our cable savings will be about $63 usd per month. So, in four months we will recoup our expense of the new ATV.

maximusfacq
July 4th, 2009, 01:38 AM
@roontoon
Have you actually configured your eHormony remote to control Boxee through your Mac Mini, or do you have a separate Apple Remote you use with Boxee once all the other stuff gets turned on with your eHarmony remote?

I'm curious about this because I have the same model remote and an AppleTV and I would love to be able to get back to using just the eHarmony without the Apple remote sliding into my recliner all the time! >.<

derrick1985
July 9th, 2009, 08:32 PM
I actually canceled my cable yesterday. Have to try and cut back on the bills (only one income in the house right now) and boxee and the internet in general was my argument for not needing cable. I only wish Hulu would work for up here in Canada.

I'll let you know if i'm still married by the fall too. :)

roontoon
July 10th, 2009, 08:05 AM
@roontoon
Have you actually configured your eHormony remote to control Boxee through your Mac Mini, or do you have a separate Apple Remote you use with Boxee once all the other stuff gets turned on with your eHarmony remote?

I'm curious about this because I have the same model remote and an AppleTV and I would love to be able to get back to using just the eHarmony without the Apple remote sliding into my recliner all the time! >.<


I'll have to get back to you on this. Currently away from home until the middle of August. I am using just the one remote. I "think" I paired it with mini and then taught the remote with the apple remote. It has been a while so I need to check it to be sure.

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sadiekiller
July 10th, 2009, 02:53 PM
@roontoon
Have you actually configured your eHormony remote to control Boxee through your Mac Mini, or do you have a separate Apple Remote you use with Boxee once all the other stuff gets turned on with your eHarmony remote?

I'm curious about this because I have the same model remote and an AppleTV and I would love to be able to get back to using just the eHarmony without the Apple remote sliding into my recliner all the time! >.<

I don't have the exact same eHarmony remote as roontoon (Not a home so I cannot look), but mine works fine with the appleTV. Just have to set it up as a device in the setup menu. (under media center computers or something).

uncle hammy
July 10th, 2009, 05:05 PM
I convinced the wife 2 years ago to ditch the dish and go with MythTV. We've added boxee in the last 6 months, and we haven't looked back. I ran Dish and MythTV side by side for 6 months to ensure stability and WAF levels, then took the plunge.

As long as you have a modicum of technical ability to keep the WAF up, you'll be pleased, I'm sure.

derrick1985
July 10th, 2009, 05:19 PM
I convinced the wife 2 years ago to ditch the dish and go with MythTV. We've added boxee in the last 6 months, and we haven't looked back. I ran Dish and MythTV side by side for 6 months to ensure stability and WAF levels, then took the plunge.

As long as you have a modicum of technical ability to keep the WAF up, you'll be pleased, I'm sure.

Going to ask a stupid question, but what is WAF exactly, and does mythtv do more than just PVR functions?

roontoon
July 10th, 2009, 05:43 PM
Going to ask a stupid question, but what is WAF exactly, and does mythtv do more than just PVR functions?

Wife Acceptance Factor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_acceptance_factor)

:D:D:D

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judgeschambers
July 11th, 2009, 11:21 AM
I convinced the wife 2 years ago to ditch the dish and go with MythTV. We've added boxee in the last 6 months, and we haven't looked back. I ran Dish and MythTV side by side for 6 months to ensure stability and WAF levels, then took the plunge.

As long as you have a modicum of technical ability to keep the WAF up, you'll be pleased, I'm sure.

Sounded real interesting...until I saw you have to compile it yourself! Then I saw a tid bit about a Windows version, but found no link for it.

Not to sound jerky, but Myth is yet another open source progy that has to be played with, prodded and such just to use it because it has to be compiled. We need a Linux, Windows and Mac file pre-compiled and ready to use. Why is that not available? Does MythTV share some MS files like XBMC did?

As good as MythTV sounds, I can't keep spending weeks trying to Wikki my way through a learning curve to use this stuff or Cable TV or MS MCE is gonna be more worth while after all. Boxee has proven to take enough time as it is.... :confused:

Any info would be appreciated.

uncle hammy
July 11th, 2009, 02:32 PM
Sounded real interesting...until I saw you have to compile it yourself!.......

.........Not to sound jerky, but Myth is yet another open source progy that has to be played with, prodded and such just to use it because it has to be compiled.
No offense, but where on God's green earth did you get the idea the MythTV has to be compiled manually? I am not familiar with all release of Linux, but at least with Ubuntu, it's a simple as installing it directly from synaptic....done.
We need a Linux, Windows and Mac file pre-compiled and ready to use. Why is that not available? Does MythTV share some MS files like XBMC did?
http://www.mythbuntu.com/
http://www.mythdora.com/
http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html

What's wrong with any of those? I perosnally used Mythbuntu, and it worked out of the box. Yes, I had to do some tweaking, but I think it would be somewhat naive to think you wouldn't when you take on a project like building a full HTPC network in your home.

There is no Windows verison of MythTV at all. There is a simple player out there, but that's it. Boxee on Windows does an excellent job of connecting to a myth backend with the built in myth support.

Personally, I think MythTV / Boxee go together like two brothers that make my HTPC almost like a child to me :lol

judgeschambers
July 11th, 2009, 11:41 PM
Hey Uncle,

I typed MythTV into google and the #1 sites is:
http://www.mythtv.org (http://www.mythtv.org/)
Everything on their home site talks about compiling your own deal. They then mention some sites that offer Preconfigured setups with Linux and "destros", but that's it. So, that's why I said ...what I said about all that work sorting through the wiki. :cool:

Thanks for the links, that helped to connect the dots.

Cool alternative, but not for me. I have enough time getting Windows Boxee, Windows Home Server and ATV working together. Personally, I just can't put in more weeks of research and set up to try another option. Let alone going to another platform-Linux/Ubuntu. I've spent enough time with Boxee's issues. Honestly, as many gaps as Boxee has at this point of development, I'm ready to just go to MS MCE and call it a day. Hulu, Fancast and anything else all works. :D

Do you have more guidance and links for MythTV set ups to help others looking to go that route?

agentlame
July 12th, 2009, 12:27 AM
Everything on their home site talks about compiling your own deal. They then mention some sites that offer Preconfigured setups with Linux and "destros", but that's it.

most 'upstream' sites only deal in code and svns. trust me, you don't want the gnome that is on gnome.org :) ([inset-deity-of-choice-here] bless the packagers.)


Do you have more guidance and links for MythTV set ups to help others looking to go that route?

that said, i would try mythbuntu. it has a custom gui configuration utility called: Mythbuntu Control Centre--damn brits, spelling things all funny--it will help you configure everything from mythtv themes, codecs, services, and even auto-generate config files for your remote.

plus, because mythbuntu is derived from ubuntu, it will run the official boxee package with out blinking.

judgeschambers
July 12th, 2009, 06:56 AM
most 'upstream' sites only deal in code and svns. trust me, you don't want the gnome that is on gnome.org :) ([inset-deity-of-choice-here] bless the packagers.)

that said, i would try mythbuntu. it has a custom gui configuration utility called: Mythbuntu Control Centre--damn brits, spelling things all funny--it will help you configure everything from mythtv themes, codecs, services, and even auto-generate config files for your remote.

plus, because mythbuntu is derived from ubuntu, it will run the official boxee package with out blinking.

Agentlame,

Uncle gave a good suggestion. So, when I did a quickie dig, I found all that "roll your own", "upstream" , "gnome" stuff and that....ain't happenin'. LOL I was also a bit turned off by having to install someone else OS. Thinking, "why can't I just down load MythTV and install it on what I want?" Still don't understand why that option is not available, but no biggie.

Yeah, I know little about running a Linux or Ubuntu box via a desktop UI. Have not tried them yet. (not afraid, as I do run a Linux RedHat9 box (dos prompt screen only) with a RTCW game server on it. :cool:) May tinker with Mythbuntu later for something to learn.

Thanks for the additional info on the Mythbuntu option. :)

uncle hammy
July 12th, 2009, 10:49 AM
Mythbuntu is what I use, and as agentlame indicated, it runs boxee just fine. I just have a "Launch Boxee" button added into my MythTV menus to flip between the two.

Your indication about just going with MCE isn't without it's drawbacks. The BIG one for me is the lack of the server / client setup for MCE. I have 1 Myth backend / frontend in my bedroom, but I also have 3 other frontend distributed around the house that all use the single backend for stream everything from TV to music....MCE won't do that, which IMHO makes it useless.

judgeschambers
July 12th, 2009, 10:59 AM
Your indication about just going with MCE isn't without it's drawbacks. The BIG one for me is the lack of the server / client setup for MCE. I have 1 Myth backend / frontend in my bedroom, but I also have 3 other frontend distributed around the house that all use the single backend for stream everything from TV to music....MCE won't do that, which IMHO makes it useless.

Uncle,

I run Windows Home Server (WHS) and I guess that is the back end and and a future MCE machine I guess would be the front end. They do have the ability to link MCE and WHS and serve up the media files.

Maybe you could explain further? Thanks.

uncle hammy
July 12th, 2009, 08:06 PM
You don't do TV recording, correct?

derrick1985
July 13th, 2009, 04:03 AM
Wife Acceptance Factor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_acceptance_factor)

:D:D:D

d

rofl, love that.

judgeschambers
July 13th, 2009, 06:55 PM
You don't do TV recording, correct?

No, I have other means of getting shows I miss. ;) Though, it could be an option.

I'm curious about your concerns, "The BIG one for me is the lack of the server / client setup for MCE." I've been using XBMC on a few Xboxes around the house connected to my WHS. But because XBMC has no browser for on line content and Boxee...well...is Boxee, I was thinking an MCE is the way to go until the Boxee team wraps up development. Mostly, so I can watch Fancast and Hulu without issue and serve up the movies and such from WHS. Just wondering how your concern would play into connecting MCE to WHS.

Thanks.

selig
July 13th, 2009, 08:18 PM
I don't have the exact same eHarmony remote as roontoon (Not a home so I cannot look), but mine works fine with the appleTV. Just have to set it up as a device in the setup menu. (under media center computers or something).

Same here, I have the rf version of the Harmony remote (890 I think) and it works great with Boxee on AppleTV. p.s. eHarmony is a dating website, Harmony is the Logitech remote. :)

flammenwurfer
July 14th, 2009, 03:42 PM
LOL, I was chuckling when everybody was calling it the eharmony remote. I was wondering if it was some new remote made by eharmony that vibrates or something.

uncle hammy
July 14th, 2009, 08:17 PM
judges, with MythTV, everything (Recording scheduling, tuner management, etc.) is controlled by my backend server, and it is aware of what all clients connected to it are trying to do. Tuner management is of particular interest to me, because I use the HDHomeRun, and because it's network based it can be used by any PC in the house. With my backend controlling the system, I don't have to worry about say having a recording going on tuner 1, and the wife going to another frontend and changing the channel on tuner 1 to watch tv....myth autmatically knows tuner 1 is being used and gives her tuner 2.

Unless things have changed since I looked into it, MCE can't do that. If I have MCE running on 4 computers around my house, they would be constantly beating up each other with anything to do with TV because they aren't aware of each other. For MCE to beuseful to me, it they need to have a server / client setup.

judgeschambers
July 15th, 2009, 07:51 PM
Uncle,

Ok, I think I get Mythtv better. It's not for me, but pretty cool nonetheless.

Thanks for the info on it! I'll add it to my list of options I pass along to friends.