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Prospero424
August 5th, 2009, 12:06 AM
I've been trying to get a clear idea of what the system requirements for watching web-based content through Boxee are, but they don't seem to be explicitly listed anywhere; just the base hardware requirements (which are too low for HD playback and most web-based streaming).

So I'll be as specific as I possibly can: Has ANYONE been able to watch web-based content like Hulu through Boxee properly on a system with a 3.2 Ghz P4 (or equivalent) with ANY build on ANY operating system?

What is the slowest processor you have been able to watch web video content on with Boxee and with what build?

emotional_friend
August 5th, 2009, 12:30 AM
My system is built on an AMD Athlon XP 3200 processor, which I think is running at something like 2.1ghz with 1 gb ram. My Ubuntu Boxee system plays all video I throw at it. Hulu, Comedy Central, YouTube, Funny or Die, etc. I'm even running PrimeGrid in the background at 10% CPU utilization. Networking is bridged wifi (G) using Airport Express. Everything plays without stutter even over the wifi.

If you've got a P4, I'm certain this hardware should support Boxee.

Emotional Friend

Prospero424
August 5th, 2009, 12:48 AM
Thanks for the info!

Yeah, Boxee works just fine with my Athlon X2 3800+ (2Ghz Socket 939) workstation under Windows XP in exactly the manner you describe. Unfortunately, my main HTPC is the P4 :(

I'd still like to hear from as many others as possible as to what the slowest processor they've been able to get Boxee to work properly with. My primary curiosity regarding the P4 3.2Ghz and Boxee is how it performs under non-Windows operating systems and how it performs with various video cards.

I'm running it with a Radeon 9700 Pro and that's just not cutting it.

emotional_friend
August 5th, 2009, 12:59 AM
I'm pretty surprised that your Radeon 9700 would be a bottleneck. Are you trying to send HD out to your display or is it a regular TV set? My system is using a real low-end Geforce 6700LE (which I think stands for low-end). If you're trying to decode HDTV, then all bets are off on the stuff I said in my earlier post. But I would be surprised if your card would hinder your P4 from being able to display Hulu and other streaming video content.

Emotional Friend

Prospero424
August 5th, 2009, 01:13 AM
Oh, I don't think the Radeon's the bottleneck. I'm just curious if anyone's had any better luck with a different video card on this same processor. Oh, and it's a 1360x768 HDTV over VGA (going to be getting a DVI-HDMI cable soon).

rwagner337
August 5th, 2009, 09:39 AM
I've been trying to get a clear idea of what the system requirements for watching web-based content through Boxee are, but they don't seem to be explicitly listed anywhere; just the base hardware requirements (which are too low for HD playback and most web-based streaming).

So I'll be as specific as I possibly can: Has ANYONE been able to watch web-based content like Hulu through Boxee properly on a system with a 3.2 Ghz P4 (or equivalent) with ANY build on ANY operating system?

What is the slowest processor you have been able to watch web video content on with Boxee and with what build?
I have an Acer Netbook running the latest Boxee build - I use it primarily to watch movies while in flight, or traveling... whatever. 36 GiB of video. No problems with that, & internet streaming is GOOD / not GREAT when using the wireless only connex. I use iTunes for on board music - hey, it's just better. Music streaming with Boxee IS better, however.

Specs -
Media 160 GB HDD
Operating system Windows XP Home
Power 6-cell: 5.2 Ah, 6.6 Ah
CPU 1.6 GHz Intel Atom 1.66 GHz Intel AtomN270-N280
Memory 1 GiB
Display 8.9 in (23 cm) 1024600 LCD TFT
Input 89% size[2] Keyboard
Touchpad
Camera 0.3 MP Suyin or 1.3 MP Liteon Webcam
Connectivity 3 USB ports
5-in-1 card reader
Realtek 10/100 Mbit/s Ethernet
Atheros 802.11b/g WLAN
3G/UMTS

russell

derrick1985
August 5th, 2009, 12:20 PM
I've been using boxee on my P4 2.8GHz, 2.0GB DDR2 Ram, and former, ATI Radeon X300 video card. That was for most podcasts and youtube, as Hulu isn't watchable from Canada. Works great for me.

I also run on occasion, boxee on my Asus EEE PC 1000HE.
Atom 1.66GHz
2.0GB DDR2 Ram
Intel 945 Chipset

Works good on that one too.

Heratiki
August 5th, 2009, 08:47 PM
My Build:
Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 running 9.14.6992 ver of Boxee Alpha Linux
4yr Old AMD Athlon XP 64 2800+ (2.083 Ghz - Single Core)
Asus K8V Deluxe Motherboard
2 GB Budget Non-Leading Brand RAM
XFX 7600 GS (Nvidia 128MB) AGP 8x
Seagate 250GB HDD
Standard ATX Case Twin Fan Case Mod
Onboard Sound (AC'97?)
Onboard 10/100 LAN (Realtek?)
External USB MyBook 500MB x 4

4yr's ago I was able to purchase this entire system for around $700... I am able to watch any and all web video including HD content with no issues... I am also able to run any Mp4 Based Video on the HDD or Networked without skips or issues and able to run MKV (x.264 encoded) 720p HD content beautifully on a 52" RCA HDTV... Not to mention I am running a network wide SABnzbd as well as sharing all drives to the other PC's without a skip at all... This is as budget packed as I have gotten (I'm always broke)... Now you can get better than comparable for less than $300.00... IE

http://www.ascendtech.us/customkititems.asp?kc=DTBBA21GX24200

Instead of in that case how about this one...

Athenatech HTPC Case (http://www.amazon.com/Athenatech-A3701BB-Center-Desktop-Cabinet/dp/B000P7SBPE%3FSubscriptionId%3D16330PR1NAHTNCZP5602 %26tag%3Dpriwat-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165 953%26creativeASIN%3DB000P7SBPE)

Or...

Moneual Moncaso HTPC Case (http://www.amazon.com/Moneual-Moncaso-932T-Screen-Multimedia/dp/B00180FF88%3FSubscriptionId%3D16330PR1NAHTNCZP5602 %26tag%3Dpriwat-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165 953%26creativeASIN%3DB00180FF88)

And if you don't like these sites then look here...

http://www.pricewatch.com

Heratiki

I will test it on my other machines and tell you what I come up with... Hope this helps...

circa1978
August 5th, 2009, 09:39 PM
Athlon XP 3200 (2.1 GHz) with 1GB of RAM and an ATI All in Wonder 2006 (256 MB video card). I get stuttery flash video playback and checked today to see while watching Joost and the processor was running at between 75 - 90%. Not sure if Boxee (or flash) even uses the video card for flash video playback. Non-flash seems to run just fine, although there is occasional stutters on HD Apple Trailers.

Heratiki
August 5th, 2009, 10:19 PM
Athlon XP 3200 (2.1 GHz) with 1GB of RAM and an ATI All in Wonder 2006 (256 MB video card). I get stuttery flash video playback and checked today to see while watching Joost and the processor was running at between 75 - 90%. Not sure if Boxee (or flash) even uses the video card for flash video playback. Non-flash seems to run just fine, although there is occasional stutters on HD Apple Trailers.

What OS are you running?

circa1978
August 5th, 2009, 10:34 PM
What OS are you running?
Windows XP

Prospero424
August 6th, 2009, 12:00 AM
rwagner337 and derrick1985

I just want to confirm that you can watch not only local and podcast content with your hardware, but also web-based flash video content through Boxee.

Thanks for the input, Heratiki! If you really can watch flash-based video through Boxee under Linux with a 2Ghz Athlon XP, that, along with circa1978's experience with Windows XP, tells me I'll probably have better luck with performance under Linux than I am having under Windows.

So far, this is the "winner" (heh) for slowest processor able to run Boxee properly and able to play anything 720p and lower, no matter what the source.

Now the only question is whether or not the relatively poor flash video playback performance under Windows when compared to Linux is a temporary or permanent condition.

Anyone on the Boxee Team have any input in this regard?

Thanks to Heratiki for the hardware suggestions as well, but I'm about to pick up a Core 2 Duo 2.66Ghz Dell (complete system) for around $200 (getting it from a business that's closing its doors), so that point is moot.

emotional_friend
August 6th, 2009, 01:42 AM
I'd never think that switching to Linux would improve Flash content performance. Could it be that you have some kind of 64bit Windows XP OS and your drivers for the video card (or other mobo chips) are 32 bit?

Emotional Friend

Prospero424
August 6th, 2009, 01:57 AM
It certainly wouldn't improve flash performance in my web browser (which I rarely use on my HTPC), but I suspect that it might improve performance under Boxee (different flash engine from browser-based flash).

Nah, both OS and drivers are 32-bit. I've tried the same hardware with both Win XP and Server 2003 configured for workstation use with almost identical performance.

Many more details in this thread: http://forum.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=10997&page=2

Heratiki
August 6th, 2009, 02:25 AM
Why would Linux performance suffer worse than Windows? Overhead anyone? Besides... The biggest perf killer for said Windows XP unit is the RAM... 1GB just doesn't do it anymore... And Boxee is an indexing client as well... So it might come with a slight overhead as well... It's not some silly browser remember? Try out Ubuntu and see what happens with the system... If you use it for other things this could be complicated... But I will be testing Boxee out with this machine (HP Pavilion s7410n (http://www.dealtime.com/xPF-Hewlett-Packard-HP-PAVILION-SLIMLINE-S7410N-Intel-Celeron-M-390-1-7GHz-1024MB-Ram-250GB-DVD-RW-CDRW-Combo-Drive)) as the night progresses (also watching Battlestar Galactica on my other Boxee unit) and let you know how things go... I'm also going to see if I can come up with a USB key version of Damn Small Linux (DSL for short) and get Boxee on it for portable fun but that's WAY in the future... Will post my findings the best I can here... BTW the machine has 1GB of RAM has been freshly installed and is running Windows XP Media Center Edition... Wish me luck...

Heratiki

Heratiki
August 6th, 2009, 03:26 AM
Getting serious lag and jitter when playing anything that is flash in Windows XP... I believe that's an issue of Boxee or Windows one of the two and will eventually be worked out but I will attempt to install Boxee on my DSL USB Key and see if I can get it running in Linux and report back...

On a lighter note the machine mentioned above plays all my media just fine as well as streaming Apple 720p trailers at a resolution of 1280x1024 (Not on a TV) with only one very very small blip noticed through the middle of the GI-Joe trailer... So... Here's to trying to find the slowest machine on the planet and get Boxee working on it... *wink*

Heratiki

Prospero424
August 6th, 2009, 07:05 AM
Thanks, Heratiki! Let me know how your experiments go :)

derrick1985
August 6th, 2009, 09:37 PM
Prospero,

Give me an example of what you feel is flash based video, that I can watch in Canada, and i'll try it. So far, everything except 1080 i've been able to throw at boxee, and plays without issue (1080 stutters, not sure what is up there yet). I can watch youtube videos, and failblog faily easily, but they aren't the best quality.

Prospero424
August 6th, 2009, 11:08 PM
YouTube's a fine example. I just wanted to confirm that you were able to view YouTube videos properly inside of Boxee rather than just in a browser window, that's all.

circa1978
August 7th, 2009, 07:11 AM
Actually the YouTube app is not a good example, it is playing back mp4 versions of the video not flash video. I'm in Canada too. Try watching videos in the Joost or Digg apps, or add your own YouTube RSS feed like:

rss://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/users/shaytards/uploads?v=2&alt=rss

Prospero424
August 7th, 2009, 07:19 AM
circa1978

Ah, you're right, the YouTube app doesn't use Flash video. Interesting.

I hadn't actually used the YouTube app, just viewed YouTube videos through the Digg app and a couple of other feeds that use Flash.

Basically, derrick1985, you're looking for anything that you can see, for example, loading up a web page before full-screen playback and/or that invokes bfxplayer in the background (which you can see with any process monitor). The Digg app is an excellent suggestion.

Heratiki
August 7th, 2009, 10:39 AM
I always test Flash video with Either Hulu or Digg... Usually Digg as Hulu tends to break whenever it feels like it... Still working with my other machines... I'll attempt a full work up on Max Resolutions and Computer Specs for each machine and which OS does and doesn't run certain types of video... Just so you know most of the machines I've attempted to work with all have jumpy flash when in Windows... But I was able to get Apple's 720p Trailers running on a 1.7 Ghz Celeron M (Yes MOBILE in a Desktop) Single Core with no GPU assistance in Ubuntu 9.04... Would be cool to see someone come up with a Boxee Distro...

Heratiki

dons
September 20th, 2009, 03:54 PM
I have the exact same hardware. some of my web video is choppy. what video settings do you use?