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marcel
January 7th, 2010, 01:34 PM
So guys what do you think of the new version ..please if you have time write a couple of things that you like about the beta compared to the alpha (no bug issues we leave that for the rest of the forum)..

rigidz
January 7th, 2010, 01:46 PM
cool interface, easy to navigate. Its like upgrading from economy class to first class.

lbareket
January 7th, 2010, 01:54 PM
The Beta finally made it to my living room yesterday.
I was pleasantly surprised to see Hulu works out of the box (is that a secret?)
I'm very excited about it, even my wife was happy.
The one issue that you are very well aware of is the lookup of movies/tv files.
You sent us all to a rename frenzy to get all our media files recognized.
I submitted all the problematic files to your report form.

Other than that, very enjoyable and very polished.

PS
Kudos to the wonderful industrial design of the Boxee box.

kristallin
January 7th, 2010, 02:04 PM
I'm digging the look and feel, and once it's on my ATV I'm certain it will pass the "significant other test". Being that I'm testing it on my Mac I'm not really able to put it through its paces in a, for me, real world test, but it'll be interesting to see how it behaves. All in all it's a large step forward, and I'm thinking we're all in for a real treat once all the kinks are ironed out.

joshjryan
January 7th, 2010, 02:06 PM
I already mentioned this in another post, but it seems that this is the best place to put my thoughts.
The 2 things that I see that could be addressed (in addition to getting the ability fix incorrectly identified movies) are:
1. No more ability to watch the trailer for movies.
2. If a description is too long, it is truncated and there is no way to read the entire description.

With that said, the beta is WONDERFUL!

dickie
January 7th, 2010, 02:09 PM
I agree with Kristallin - my wife will find this much easier to navigate. And with the new GPU capabilities, my Asrock will be a great investment. Thanks!

Keepersdeadeyes
January 7th, 2010, 02:15 PM
I'm in love with it. The design to me makes it feel way different than the previous format was. I can't wait to experience it upon my large tv.

Segnaro
January 7th, 2010, 02:25 PM
Love how the new skin looks on my TV, and how it runs smoothly on my Dell Zino. :D Just need that Boxee Remote and it'll be all good. :)

jlnogo87
January 7th, 2010, 02:54 PM
Hey everything looks great. Just wondering if Netflix has told you guys why they are not supporting linux. What technology are they waiting for to support it? otherwise WOW GREAT!!!

kristallin
January 7th, 2010, 02:56 PM
Hey everything looks great. Just wondering if Netflix has told you guys why they are not supporting linux. What technology are they waiting for to support it? otherwise WOW GREAT!!!

Netflix runs on Silverlight, so it's a no-go on Linux or AppleTV.

mallievi
January 7th, 2010, 03:08 PM
Hi, is there a chanche to use the torrent feed like in the alpha, with the section My Feed?
Great work anyway :)
Tks!

-added:
I can't find my video and audio feed in appbox... and I installed the beta in a clean system.

-added:
...and rtorrent too! Where is it? :(

tcchris
January 7th, 2010, 03:13 PM
Much improvement , great job guys.
The new gui took me a little to figure out , but now I think it is much better .

kjoy82
January 7th, 2010, 03:14 PM
Netflix runs on Silverlight, so it's a no-go on Linux or AppleTV.

They do have Silverlight for Mac now though don't they? Is it just AppleTV that it isn't compatible with?

DPK
January 7th, 2010, 03:15 PM
They do have Silverlight for Mac now though don't they? Is it just AppleTV that it isn't compatible with?

AppleTV doesn't have the processing power for it.

jlnogo87
January 7th, 2010, 03:19 PM
Netflix runs on Silverlight, so it's a no-go on Linux or AppleTV.

Yes but Mono-Moonlight is available and at version 2.0

themanjeremiah
January 7th, 2010, 03:20 PM
It it awesome so far! I like the interface a lot better than the Alpha. Thanks for the work and it looks awesome on my TV. I'm definitely a everyday user of Boxee.:D

cogadh
January 7th, 2010, 03:26 PM
Yes but Mono-Moonlight is available and at version 2.0
But it doesn't include the Silverlight DRM stack, which is what prevents it from working with Netflix.

unisonband
January 7th, 2010, 03:30 PM
I really thought the ability to resolve movies and TV Shows was a priority to fix before mass release...

Super happy to see the improvements though too - looks like playing internet video is WAY better (ABC still needs work though - when I played an AD it kept jumping up and down to the point of giving me a headache)

I said it before and I'll say it again, the new UI is FANTASTIC!

When the day comes that boxee can read .nfo files for movies, have the ability to change coverart (easily), and the ability to resolve movies and tv shows, boxee will become my default media center.

EDIT: I have tried to play internet video a few times now, but every time boxee keeps freezing, and I have to force quit it. This was not happening with my last beta version. Is this happening to anyone else?

jlnogo87
January 7th, 2010, 03:32 PM
But it doesn't include the Silverlight DRM stack, which is what prevents it from working with Netflix.

That makes sense. I forgot about the DRM. D*mn it!

brainbone
January 7th, 2010, 04:12 PM
Still testing out the beta, but my initial thoughts:

1) I'm disappointed with the Netflix integration (using windows). I know that Boxee obtained netflix branded partner status, allowing access to a customized player (still silverlight in a browser window, but more integrated, like the netflix player used in windows media center) -- yet Boxee still seems to be using some strange version of hiding, then cropping and enlarging a smaller rendering of the player, not allowing it to render at native resolution.

2) Use of my MCE remote also is disappointing. Seems the media buttons (stop, play, pause, FF, RW, etc.) do nothing in Boxee? (maybe I'm missing something?)

... more to come ...

cogadh
January 7th, 2010, 04:15 PM
EDIT: I have tried to play internet video a few times now, but every time boxee keeps freezing, and I have to force quit it. This was not happening with my last beta version. Is this happening to anyone else?
Did you uninstall the previous beta before installing this one? While Boxee is still in beta, it is best to always uninstall the old one first before installing the new one. I neglected to do that myself with the last beta update and Boxee was left virtually useless when all video performance except for local media completely tanked. An uninstall/reinstall later and performance was back where it should be.

joshuajonah
January 7th, 2010, 04:23 PM
Wait, so if i upgraded from r10063 by just installing the deb I should wipe the /opt/boxee and ~/.boxee folder and re-install?

cogadh
January 7th, 2010, 04:30 PM
I'm not sure if it is different with Linux (agentlame would know better than I), but with Windows, it seems the uninstall/clean install method is best, in order to ensure proper performance... at least while we are still in beta.

kristallin
January 7th, 2010, 04:51 PM
They do have Silverlight for Mac now though don't they? Is it just AppleTV that it isn't compatible with?

AppleTV's OS is based on OS X 10.4.9, Microsoft doesn't provide a Silverlight version compatible with OS X below 10.5, unfortunately.

datee
January 7th, 2010, 05:19 PM
Finally :) I waited for this.. l LOVE that i now can run it on an Win-7 ION machine..

But im not really sure what to think of the new UI.. my first thought was that i didnt like it.. Something seems a bit odd, dont know... maybe it just needs getting used to.. What if we could customize the home screen a bit?
I liked the TV-show listing better in the alpha.. And now Boxee is slow with displaying thumbnails.. the alpha seemed faster...

Hope you guys will keep working on it... all in all i love Boxee and use it every day :)

etnmarchand
January 7th, 2010, 05:24 PM
I installed it on my laptop during my lunch. So exciting! Only got to poke around with it for a couple minutes. It will take some getting used to the new interface... but I think I already like it better - especially the integration of local and streaming sources for tv shows and movies! I know what I'm doing tonight... playing with Boxee! Thanks for such a great piece of software!!!

pkeenan
January 7th, 2010, 05:30 PM
Well the old laptop is humming along. No startup issues. Navigation seems to be speedy. Have already tuned into The Larry Sanders Show the last couple of lunch hours.

At this time I'm trying to install it on our Apple TV. I'll let you know how that goes.

It's all good in the hood. Great way to start off the New Year!

Thanks

Peter

lament
January 7th, 2010, 07:34 PM
Netflix runs on Silverlight, so it's a no-go on Linux or AppleTV.

In the Boxee beta (on Windows at least), it appears to be going through a cFlash player and not using Silverlight.

Also, there's an open source Silverlight called Moonlight (http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight), but I'm assuming since there's no DRM involved that Netflix won't go for it.

The quality of Netflix on the beta is pretty ugly.. much better on the PS3 and TiVo HD.

But overall I like the beta lot, and the added DXVA support on Windows is great.

edit: it appears the Moonlight gang is working with Microsoft, so maybe they will get DRM in there.

MrG299
January 7th, 2010, 08:13 PM
The beta is absolutely fantastic! The UI is unbelievable and far better than the alpha. I just can't wait to get my hands on the boxee box!! Great work guys!

cogadh
January 7th, 2010, 09:52 PM
In the Boxee beta (on Windows at least), it appears to be going through a cFlash player and not using Silverlight.

Also, there's an open source Silverlight called Moonlight (http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight), but I'm assuming since there's no DRM involved that Netflix won't go for it.

The quality of Netflix on the beta is pretty ugly.. much better on the PS3 and TiVo HD.

But overall I like the beta lot, and the added DXVA support on Windows is great.

edit: it appears the Moonlight gang is working with Microsoft, so maybe they will get DRM in there.
Netflix is definitely using Silverlight with Boxee; quite a bit of effort was put into optimizing Boxee's Silverlight integration for hardware acceleration prior to this release, just so Netflix could take advantage of it.

Unfortunately, you are correct about Moonlight, as long as it lacks Silverlight's DRM stack, it can never be used for Netflix. There is hope, though extremely slim, that working with MS might resolve that (personally, I'm not holding my breath, but I'm a bit of a pessimist anyway).

The quality differences between PS3, Tivo and other Netflix-ready devices has to do with the fact that Boxee is only using the standard-def streaming from Netflix, while those other devices are given access to the Netflix high-def streams. It should still look decent, but there will likely be some noticeable pixellation of the image, depending on the video. I have personally noticed that older "analog era" movies do look significantly worse than more modern "digital era" movies on Boxee.

jtv
January 7th, 2010, 10:43 PM
I... It will take some getting used to the new interface... but I think I already like it better - especially the integration of local and streaming sources for tv shows and movies! I know what I'm doing tonight... playing with Boxee! Thanks for such a great piece of software!!!

Yes, second on the great piece of software. I did my playing around tonight, and things are much smoother than the alpha.

One thing, though: you reference "integration of local and streaming sources for tv shows and movies". I see this for TV shows, but not for movies. I don't have either on my hard drive - everything I watch is streamed. TV shows work great - just scroll through the "TV Library" (streaming shows) or do a search. But for movies it just lets me go through stuff I have locally (which is none). How do I browse for streaming movies; from, for example hulu? Or for that matter, browse other hulu content such as trailers, clips, etc. I think hulu is supposed to work now, right? I am running Linux.

cogadh
January 7th, 2010, 11:04 PM
Hulu is a bit tricky at the moment (only TV shows are available) and the "Movie Library" function was removed at the last minute due to some contractual conflicts/obligations with Netflix. They hope to have the Movie Library back eventually, though I do not know what form it will take. Hulu will likely be back in the form of an app of some kind (like the old Hulu Feeds app). No ETA on either at the moment.

jtv
January 7th, 2010, 11:23 PM
OK thanks. Great job on the beta. I can always fire up hulu desktop if I need something from there.

forte
January 7th, 2010, 11:36 PM
can't use boxee browser on hulu, seem to freezed. hopefully hulu back soon. otherwise ,great job

cogadh
January 8th, 2010, 12:33 AM
Boxee Browser can't really do much at the moment. Pretty much the only way it works is if you enter a URL that takes you directly to a video file. You can't really go to "hulu.com" and browse around the site to find what you want. However, if all you are looking for are the TV shows offered on Hulu, then you can easily access them in the TV Show Library. Clips and movies... eventually there should be a way to get to them.

chrobrego
January 8th, 2010, 12:49 AM
Positives: the interface is MUCH better

Negatives: it's not a lot of fun. Most of the channel apps suck for the average American family (I'm not into watching anime or nerd shows) and the actual tv that I can get often doesn't work very well at all. I found that I was continually trying to find something to watch that actually worked -- BBC was a no, CNN was a no, some shows listed but they won't load, many of the other apps just won't work. It actually was fun just getting something to work.

End Result: I turned off Boxee and just loaded up Hulu desktop. Much better. It was easy to navigate, I could actually find tv shows easily and quickly, and they all worked. Hulu is a far better experience at this point I'm afraid.

Suggestions: Spend more time doing quality control on the apps, and I know the average person wants to tune into a channel or immediately go to a show. The interface is still too cumbersome and gets in the way of watching tv. It's much improved, but I honestly spent most of my time trying to find something that worked on boxee rather than actually watching anything.

The movie section is nearly useless for me as well. I have a ton of movies in m4v format on an external drive. I have them categorized in Itunes and listed with cover art as well. Boxee just ignores this and serves them up all mixed together, so it's very difficult to find a movie. I would have liked Boxee to import the itunes category/genre and the cover art.

It'll get there. Nice transition from alpha to beta. Good job!

ajaffarali
January 8th, 2010, 12:54 AM
Installed it on my Mac Mini that is currently running Plex. For some reason, my Harmony Remote doesnt want to work with Boxee. I have gone into options and selected Harmony as the Remote control but it just doest work at all. Quitting Boxee and launching Plex makes the remote works perfectly. Its selected as a Harmony Remote in Plex as well

So its not the remote or the IR on my Mini.

lament
January 8th, 2010, 01:06 AM
The quality differences between PS3, Tivo and other Netflix-ready devices has to do with the fact that Boxee is only using the standard-def streaming from Netflix, while those other devices are given access to the Netflix high-def streams. It should still look decent, but there will likely be some noticeable pixellation of the image, depending on the video. I have personally noticed that older "analog era" movies do look significantly worse than more modern "digital era" movies on Boxee.
Yeah there's a noticeable difference, especially on newer encoded TV shows like Lost. The PS3 and TiVo HD's HD streams are pretty damn good.

Will Boxee get the HD streams eventually?

cogadh
January 8th, 2010, 01:21 AM
I can't say for certain, but if I had to guess, I kind of doubt it. Those devices have access to those streams because they are closed devices that don't require the extra layer of Silverlight and it DRM to protect Netflix content. Boxee doesn't have that going for it. If Netflix were to decide to upgrade their website streaming to HD-quality, then Boxee would surely get it as well, but its all really up to Netflix.

dickie
January 8th, 2010, 01:46 AM
End Result: I turned off Boxee and just loaded up Hulu desktop. Much better. It was easy to navigate, I could actually find tv shows easily and quickly, and they all worked. Hulu is a far better experience at this point I'm afraid.

Have you looked at using some of the repositories? http://dir.fuzzthed.com/ has a Hulu launcher which works for me (leaving Boxee in the background). Plus, they add a few more channel options.

c0py
January 8th, 2010, 03:22 AM
What happened to the recently used and recently added content views on the home screen?
I would like to see the columns made configurable, like being able to remove the "Featured" column and replace it with "Recently added".

I have boxee region set to UK and enabled the option to hide apps not available in my region, but MTV and some other apps which are U.S only still show up.

Other than that, great work guys.

nbplopes
January 8th, 2010, 05:23 AM
Hi there,

Good points:

- The UI is pleasant and well organized . Must say at first was not quite sure about it but it grows on you which is fantastic.

- Works fairly well as a internet content aggregator for videos and movies.

- Recomendations and integration with facebook is interesting

- Uses the GPU on Windows 7 to decode movies freeing up resources.


The not so good:

- Compared with the previous versions the ability to add different types sources is very limited. For instance, I use MyMovies for cataloging so who I make it use this source?

- What about photos, why can't I use the iPhoto catalogues or Live Photo Library? This makes the system almost useless for this. A toy!

- Movie identification fails some times. For instance I have a copy of Max Manus, the system identifies is as "Les femmes de l'ombre". Try cleaning the library etc etc nothing works. Which leads to the problem, there is no way I can correct the Boxee library!!!!!!!

- There is not way I can tune the decoder for my needs. For instance, I would like the decoder to upscale to 60fps, how can I do that?

- I'm using Windows 7 and sometimes 720p or 1080p local videos kind of lag, drag or frameskip. I have a Q6600 and 2x8700M GT on this baby.


Concluding:

It seams to do everything but does not manage to make anything very well like just like XBMC. Yes it is much simpler then using XBMC but more limited, yet suffers from the same inherent problems.

Some examples:

If it is directed to streaming series and movies from Hulu, NBC or Netflix, using their native apps is better.

If it is directed to other internet sources ... lets face it a lot of them is junk video (just like junk food) ... where are the big boys?

If it directed to facilitate access to movies, videos and series why can't people correct the catalog when needed?

What about photo library and browsing. Is that suppose to work with hundreds to thousands of photos? Why not integrated with other photo databases? For instance google Picasa can autotag faces etc etc.

Shouldn't HD Video decoding present frames smoothly with a 8700M GT? If it does not, why does't it let people correct it?

So here is the drill. We can say that most of this problems may not be entirely Boxee fault (third party etc) but the bottom line is ...

"It seams to do everything but it does not do one thing well"

If you are ok with that then Boxee might be the tool you need but for how long?

Cheers

Nuno
PS: Sorry if I sound too negative or harsh. I think the idea is excellent, the new UI gives it some consistency to the all thing. I also understand that in order to simplify some thing probably need to be left out but common how long do you do you guys need to fix the catalogue. What I'm reporting has been reported before. Another community member also asked support for multiple types of other sources (MyMovies used to work as far as I read). For something directed to the community ....

DPK
January 8th, 2010, 05:57 AM
So here is the drill. We can say that most of this problems may not be entirely Boxee fault (third party etc) but the bottom line is ...

"It seams to do everything but it does not do a thing that well"

If you are ok with that then Boxee might be the tool you need but for how long?

Marcel was asking for what you like about Boxee, not rhetoric on failure. There's no need for that.

nbplopes
January 8th, 2010, 06:17 AM
Marcel was asking for what you like about Boxee, not rhetoric on failure. There's no need for that.

I thought Marcel was asking for feedback and I'm not quite sure if what I mentioned are bugs.

The word "failure" never crossed my mind, where did you get that from?

Also I'm a potential buyer of your box and software, so how rhetoric is that?

The generic and openness of Boxee approach appeals to me yet on this version, sourcing is not that open anymore as it seams (where are the pluggins?).

Cheers,

Nuno

brainbone
January 8th, 2010, 08:26 AM
The quality differences between PS3, Tivo and other Netflix-ready devices has to do with the fact that Boxee is only using the standard-def streaming from Netflix, while those other devices are given access to the Netflix high-def streams. It should still look decent, but there will likely be some noticeable pixellation of the image, depending on the video. I have personally noticed that older "analog era" movies do look significantly worse than more modern "digital era" movies on Boxee.

I'm sorry, but the quality of Netflix in Boxee is worse than the quality of Netflix played in internet explorer or windows media center on the same machine using the same video stream. Boxee appears to render the Netflix player in a smaller "hidden window" (for lack of a better term), then stretches that rendering to the full screen. This results in a more blurry image, and jitter/jumpyness that is not apparent on the same video stream played directly in a browser.

Again, knowing that Boxee now has Netflix Branded Partner status, the Netflix player in Boxee is very disappointing. I get better results using the autohotkey hack I wrote for SageTV.

kjoy82
January 8th, 2010, 08:51 AM
I'm sorry, but the quality of Netflix in Boxee is worse than the quality of Netflix played in internet explorer or windows media center on the same machine using the same video stream.

I totally agree with this and for me, the quality of the Netflix streams is about as important as the quality of my local content. With kids in the house, a lot of the content they watch comes from Netflix. I posted in the other big Netflix thread, the quality coming through Boxee on my 60" is not even watchable in my opinion. I also have a Roku player, and although I understand that this is a "closed" system, the quality difference between that and Boxee is hard to believe they are even streaming the same content.

Other than that though, I'm diggin' the Beta!

darcilicious
January 8th, 2010, 09:09 AM
I also have a Roku player, and although I understand that this is a "closed" system, the quality difference between that and Boxee is hard to believe they are even streaming the same content. Quite possibly it's not the same content -- Roku has access to HD quality streams while Boxee does not.

Gooberosity
January 8th, 2010, 09:12 AM
Really enjoying it so far. So much so that I'll be purchasing a Boxee Box when they're available. I haven't messed with Netflix integration much but will be doing some fairly extensive testing, as my plan is to do a second Box for my son in the family room for him to do Netflix, and was debating between a Roku player and something that would run Boxee (like an AspireRevo or something, as I need to get that done prior to Boxee Box's release).

The interface is a great improvement over Alpha, but I am still having trouble as a noob getting into the thought process of the user experience, so what I think I should be doing for a particular task is different than the way the interface is designed. That really means I am just too used to "old way" of thinking and need to relearn things. If I were a complete novice having never run XBMC or Plex, it would be much easier.

So far I've tried the beta on the following:

iMac (Leopard) - runs great and gets to my Samba media folders nicely
Main desktop PC (Vista) - really smooth and fast
9 year old Laptop in the bedroom (XP) - Ouch.. I needed to upgrade this dog anyway so the Beta made that decision for me... happy to get rid of this old PC.

brainbone
January 8th, 2010, 09:26 AM
Quite possibly it's not the same content -- Roku has access to HD quality streams while Boxee does not.

While a comparison between Roku and Boxee may not be fair, a comparison between the default Netflix Silverlight player in a browser and Netflix in Boxee on the same machine is -- and Netflix in Boxee is much worse -- to the point of making the viewing experience unenjoyable.

To quote my 6yr. old daughter while watching Netflix through Boxee:
"Daddy, why is the movie all jumpy and fuzzy?"

kjoy82
January 8th, 2010, 09:37 AM
Quite possibly it's not the same content -- Roku has access to HD quality streams while Boxee does not.

Yes, but we are not watching HD streams. Only certain things come through HD - not everything. So, for example, we enjoy watching LA Ink. LA Ink S01 Volume 1 is not an HD stream. On the Roku, fantastic. In the browser, so-so on the big screen. Definitely palatable. But, on Boxee - no way.

Raketemensch
January 8th, 2010, 01:49 PM
While I haven't had a chance to dig in too deeply, this beta is far more stable for me than previous releases, which is quite possibly the most important thing.

Pandora works, check. Netflix works, check. Local videos work, check.

This is the first time since I lost the mac I ran Plex on that I've been happy with my media center. Thanks for all the hard work....

forte
January 8th, 2010, 10:37 PM
cannot use mouse in Boxee Browser. Boxxxe P.O.V does not work....

lament
January 8th, 2010, 11:00 PM
cannot use mouse in Boxee Browser. Boxxxe P.O.V does not work....

this isn't the bugs thread. post your issues here (http://forum.boxee.tv/forumdisplay.php?f=21).

michaelm
January 9th, 2010, 12:58 AM
Hi guys

To start off, I would like to say that Boxee Beta is a great improvement and I rally like what i see. I have already started thinking of ways I can integrate the boxee box in the living room.

I will give it some more testing when the Apple TV version comes out but so far I like the look and feel of this version.

One thing I would like to point out though is that a huge proportion of the videos/apps available seem to be geoblocked (i live in the UK). I know if that weren't the case, the Boxee team would have them available for us, so it is outside their control.

However, there are plenty of local examples that can be used to make great apps in Boxee. To mention a few UK examples, ITV Player, LoveFilm and 4oD and perhaps SkyTV Player for those with subscriptions. In addition, a Spotify app will be great news.

I am not expecting 100% of all apps to work for me in Boxee but at the moment 60% of the apps or linked videos I click on are non playable, or they start playing with no sound or video coming from them. Even more annoying you get apps like MTV Player where some videos work and some don't. How am I to know?

Before anyone points it out, I am aware that there is a new setting to hide geoblocked content but that I am afraid that does not work for me on my Mac or my PC. As soon as I ticked this, the BBC iPlayer App was gone...which is one of the few UK Apps and the main reason a lot of UK folk might be interested in the Boxee box. I had to turn that option back on again to get what I wanted.

These comments are by no means negative as i give my whole hearted support to the boxee team. Are there any plans for International availability of the Boxee Box? The hardware beats hands down my current set up on the Apple TV.

Thank for all the great work. Please, keep it up!:)

darcilicious
January 9th, 2010, 02:24 AM
However, there are plenty of local examples that can be used to make great apps in Boxee. To mention a few UK examples, ITV Player, LoveFilm and 4oD and perhaps SkyTV Player for those with subscriptions. In addition, a Spotify app will be great news.

A simple search of these forums for iTV would have led you to:
http://forum.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=12240

I haven't tried installing it yet so it may or may not work with the most current version of Boxee.

For the rest, go here and vote on the ones you'd like to see:
http://getsatisfaction.com/boxee/searches?query=uk&x=0&y=0&style=topics


I am not expecting 100% of all apps to work for me in Boxee but at the moment 60% of the apps or linked videos I click on are non playable, or they start playing with no sound or video coming from them. Even more annoying you get apps like MTV Player where some videos work and some don't. How am I to know?

Before anyone points it out, I am aware that there is a new setting to hide geoblocked content but that I am afraid that does not work for me on my Mac or my PC. As soon as I ticked this, the BBC iPlayer App was gone...which is one of the few UK Apps and the main reason a lot of UK folk might be interested in the Boxee box. I had to turn that option back on again to get what I wanted.

Yup, known issue.

mrsirio
January 9th, 2010, 09:17 AM
I already mentioned this in another post, but it seems that this is the best place to put my thoughts.
The 2 things that I see that could be addressed (in addition to getting the ability fix incorrectly identified movies) are:
1. No more ability to watch the trailer for movies.
2. If a description is too long, it is truncated and there is no way to read the entire description.

With that said, the beta is WONDERFUL!

I also miss the trailers option... big time.

darcilicious
January 9th, 2010, 10:54 AM
I also miss the trailers option... big time.

I hear that movie trailers are now available through the youtube app but I too would prefer the Apple trailers app...

jeaz
January 9th, 2010, 11:19 AM
First, I'd like to congratulate you on a very well made product.

I used Boxee briefly a couple of years ago, right at the launch of first alpha, but didn't really make friends with it then.
I've been following the development and the beta version looked very nice indeed on the previews and I'm not disappointed with it once I could test.

You've really built the best mediacenter product out there IMO. It's not perfect, far from it, but it beats xbmc and Plex hands down.

There are a few improvements I'd love to see however.

I'm aware that some of these are already planned improvements, but can't hurt repeating.

- Manual entry/correction of metadata.
- A visual way on the movies screen to tell that it has been viewed or not.
- I love the share feature, but maybe add an option for setting a review score? I'm dreaming away now, but this could really be built into something awesome, tracking movies you've seen and what rating you gave on your boxee.tv profile.
- Crystal/Broadcomm support

Finally, I know this won't happen since you are far along in development, but I just think that Webkit would have been a better choice for browser integration instead of Mozilla.

I'm sure there's something I've forgotten but even if neither of the above gets sorted this is still an amazing product - keep up the good work.

majesticix
January 10th, 2010, 01:34 PM
I figure I'll throw my hat into the ring. I would consider myself a very basic Boxee user, I have a collection of movies, music and a handful of tv episodes on external HD. I wanted to be able to easily play these files in attractive way with some ability to search my collection as it grows.

I wanted to eliminate the need for blu-ray entirely since a good rip looks astonishing on my screen. Boxee Alpha was the ticket, only it (AppleTV) lacked muscle to play hi-def. I then tried playing it on my newly purchased Revo 3610 as recommended by the Boxee community. Again, not enough power to run hi-def without hardware acceleration. Boxee Beta to the rescue.

I now can play all my video files, with minimal playback problems (hi-def sources start out slow, but seem to kick in full gear after about 10 seconds or if I scrub forward, then back). In this regard, Beta is a huge welcome. Interface design is improved and easier to navigate, which is also welcomed.

From my perspective, the only disappointment in it's current state is the cataloging of movies. Alpha was 90% there, with limitations as far modifying artwork after a wrong assignment. Beta, takes a few steps backwards with the missing ability to manually add/edit movie info. I've noticed a few of my movies won't recognize no matter what I do (one specifically, "1408" which I have reported). This and the limited user feedback I receive from performing a folder scan are my two biggest gripes with Beta. I can only assume (and hope) these features will be re-implemented, as well as an easier way to change/modify movie artwork.

I applaud the team for their efforts, and I hope we'll see improvements to the Beta very soon.

discospaceship
January 10th, 2010, 02:53 PM
I'm trying the beta on a Mac book Pro with access to my movie drive which is part of my airport extreme all the movie stream to boxee with no issues.
Boxee Rocks

AlexNC
January 10th, 2010, 03:48 PM
I never used the old alpha due to music issues, but like the new beta a lot. Keep up the good work!

pros
- Simple navigation
- smooth navigation on an ION/Atom330 box.
- Love the favorite bar
- Love the queue
- overall a very easy experience

cons
- would like more views to browse my movies and music
- wish the now playing music album art was larger and stayed on screen
- wish there were some album art/'now playing' screen savers for music

Teknishun
January 10th, 2010, 05:01 PM
I really dislike the new interface. Back to Alpha for me.

msk.tokkig
January 11th, 2010, 08:49 PM
I still haven't messed with the music much yet, I've been sticking to iTunes for that - I like how easy iTunes DJ and the interface with my iPhone is fantastic. That said, boxee beta is great and I tell everyone I know about it.
My main issues with beta is that 1)I can't correct boxee if it retrieves the wrong art/title for movies/tv/music and 2)it takes FOREVER for boxee to scrape, I've had the beta since Saturday and it's still slowly adding files...it makes it really hard to name all my files to make it easy for boxee.

ZombieBraintrust
January 11th, 2010, 10:03 PM
I like the new interface. I really like the TV library. I have been using Hulu and some other sites for about a year and I didn't know some of these shows were on the web. I be in heaven if Funimation would release some RSS feeds of their content. Then my online setup would be complete. I would love it if more of these apps were integrated this way. I want to add the Digg Real to My TV Shows.

I do sometimes get a bit lost. I keep looking for a button to back out to the home screen. I am not used to using the popup menu to get there yet. I also can get lost in the menus when I back out of an app while content is playing.

Some of the sites that use the browser plugin such as Hulu and Comedy Central ask for interaction. Hulu sometimes asks what kind of advertisement you would like to see at the beginning of a program. Comedy Central asked at the end of The Daily Show if I would like to see The Colbert Report. Its frustrating that I can't interact. If I see an advertisement I'm interested in I can't click on it either. (correct me if I'm wrong)

Thanks for the hard work. Looking forward to final release.

chrobrego
January 12th, 2010, 12:51 AM
I have an extensive mp4 movie collection that I have imported into itunes -- all categorized and with cover art. Boxee is pointed to the folder containing the movies; however, Boxee just imports it's own cover art and also loses all of my categorization so it's must an unusable mish-mash.

As it stands, movie integration is worthless in boxee until it recognizes my itunes folder and pulls it like itunes.

chrobrego
January 12th, 2010, 12:59 AM
I like that 'followers' can see what I'm watching most of the time, but occasionally I watch some pretty lame boring stuff and I don't really care to look like a dweeb in front of everyone.

My point: why not allow some options for disclosure? For example, I can select the level of information that I feel comfortable sharing; perhaps I would just select not to share anything unless I personally recommended something. You get the idea....

alexreusch
January 12th, 2010, 01:59 AM
Pros:
- Nice rework of the interface!
- Like the new consolidated structure of music, Movies and TV
- DirectX Support
- Good integration of "Flickr"
- Nice visualization (milkdrops etc.)

Cons:
- Missing better customization of menu
- No geo filtering for content not available in my region (yes, there is life outside US)
- No playlists for music (incl. intelligent playlists based on mood like moodlogic, Genius etc.)
- No Blu-Ray support
- Poor quality on DVD/movies playback
- No fast forward (or in general: weak media player for local stored content
- No HD upscaling of videos using GPU
- No possibility to lock the audio volume within boxee settings (like to control over AV-Receiver)
- Weak last.fm integration (No love/bann function, hard to navigate on top tags, search only on similar artists, missing last.fm visualization etc.)

Fuzzgtp
January 12th, 2010, 03:13 AM
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I like that 'followers' can see what I'm watching most of the time, but occasionally I watch some pretty lame boring stuff and I don't really care to look like a dweeb in front of everyone.

My point: why not allow some options for disclosure? For example, I can select the level of information that I feel comfortable sharing; perhaps I would just select not to share anything unless I personally recommended something. You get the idea....

This is how it works now. It only shares items you comment or 'love'

nostrodamus
January 12th, 2010, 04:43 AM
Hello i just want to say tanks for the work is very cool this boxee , i just have a little problem on repositories i put the url but say error every time

darcilicious
January 12th, 2010, 08:33 AM
Hello i just want to say tanks for the work is very cool this boxee , i just have a little problem on repositories i put the url but say error every time

What URL are you using? And what version of Boxee are you running?

lament
January 12th, 2010, 09:18 AM
- Weak last.fm integration (No love/bann function, hard to navigate on top tags, search only on similar artists, missing last.fm visualization etc.)
what version of the beta are you using, because visualizations were broken until the public beta version, and they work with last.fm now.

nostrodamus
January 12th, 2010, 10:58 AM
What URL are you using? And what version of Boxee are you running?


Hello

The version is the last one(10261 i make the download yesterday , the list of url are here: http://boxee.zendesk.com/forums/49598/entries/62508 (only the first work)

The So is Windows 7 x86

darcilicious
January 12th, 2010, 02:22 PM
the list of url are here: http://boxee.zendesk.com/forums/49598/entries/62508

Are you using the urls in the far right column? I know for a fact that dir.unboxeed.com works.

nostrodamus
January 12th, 2010, 02:29 PM
yes i use the urls on the right i go test again

tanks

EDIT: now itīs ok i make a new installation and now accept the repositories

Tanks one more time

alexreusch
January 12th, 2010, 04:06 PM
what version of the beta are you using, because visualizations were broken until the public beta version, and they work with last.fm now.

I am using the public beta. I mean last.fm own visualization (which includes cool moving cover art or picture of the artist), not the standard boxee visualization.

Also missing: hyped music/artists/tracks, popular in my country, top artists, top tracks etc.

rmcgeher
January 12th, 2010, 04:43 PM
I am digging it so far. It is much easier to use then previous versions. It has a clean and elegant design. I have been running previous version on my appletv - and I loved it, but would not suggest for the non-tech savvy. Currently I am running the beta on my Mac and I love it. I was lucky enough to go to CES 2010 and see the Boxee Box live - it is sweet and fast. Cannot wait for launch. I will now be suggesting for all my friends. Looking forward to using product as it evolves and develops.
RM

Wi1d
January 16th, 2010, 05:48 AM
From my perspective, the only disappointment in it's current state is the cataloging of movies. Alpha was 90% there, with limitations as far modifying artwork after a wrong assignment. Beta, takes a few steps backwards with the missing ability to manually add/edit movie info. I've noticed a few of my movies won't recognize no matter what I do (one specifically, "1408" which I have reported). This and the limited user feedback I receive from performing a folder scan are my two biggest gripes with Beta. I can only assume (and hope) these features will be re-implemented, as well as an easier way to change/modify movie artwork.

This is my first run with Boxee and have to agree with the above statement. The lack of feedback of media scans and some movies not showing up, I have the same problem with 1408, is frustrating to say the least.

Regardless playing with the software has inspired me to dust off handbrake and moving my DVD collection from optical media to disk storage. I'm looking forward to see how the software grows pass Beta. :)

pinkyluvsyou
January 18th, 2010, 06:38 PM
Love the beta just ordered a new Dell Zino only B*tch i have is the movie look up..i have of 1000 dvd's i have ripped to xvid and about 10% or so don't show up wold love to see a manual add for avi-mpg files, having movies only show up if they are in IMDB is not very handy if you have Instructional videos cause none of them show up. I have had goo luck with my old remote wonder and RWkeyfactor-Keymaster. Hope your next release will have support for manually adding video files.

bigpatky
January 18th, 2010, 09:03 PM
it needs the ability to manually add a title in cases where it gives the wrong info on the movie or tv show, the ability to change the cover art (sometimes it gives you the correct info for the movie or tv show but shows some random zoomed in screen shot for the show:confused:) and it also needs the ability to better handle specials/extras for tv shows.

mrmr
January 20th, 2010, 01:41 AM
I take it HULU is a no go anymore??? Bummer. The app also crashes consistently upon exit on 10.6.2 SL.

moexius
January 20th, 2010, 09:57 AM
As all the rest, the fact that we cannot alter the information of our own library is a big laid down. I love the performance of Boxee with my Asrock ION 330ht but at the moment I am using XBMC as it provide all that it is missing in Boxee. One feature I'd like to see if a field in th Home page for "Recently Added to Library" so I can click it and start watching it instead of having to browse through My TV Shows and look for the new episode. Too many click, a waste of time.

Also one think I bother a bit is the lack of customization to my Media Library layout. Boxee sorts episodes by newest. You can change this to "by oldest" but whenever you change from one TV Show to the other, it will go back to sort everything "By newest". I would like Boxee to remember the change I make to a single TV Show and to not replicate it to all.

technowannabe
January 21st, 2010, 10:12 PM
I love the new sounds. Every time I show one of my friends the new boxee people comment about how cool the sounds are.

Way to go.

Todd

phelyan
January 22nd, 2010, 05:05 AM
I used the Alpha of Boxee for quite a while before I became more frustrated with than I thought a HTPC application warranted and uninstalled it. It was a mixture of a clunky UI, too many accidental clicks or mis-interpreted remote commands, too many crashes. Besides that I had a few movies that it kept mislabelling or TV shows it simply couldn't find. In the end I gave up to search for an alternative.

I downloaded the Beta when it came out, still not having found any good solution. I wanted something nice and easy to watch movies, TV shows and a few vodcasts that I follow. I had tried a few things on my Mac Mini (still running Tiger), all rubbish, a few things on my Wii (too weak and no HD) and then given up, using VLC for everything.

I'm not sure what I expected from the Beta, I think I just downloaded it out of solidarity and to give it another shot.

And what a cracking little app boxee has turned out to be. A more mature UI, nicer looking and easier to handle and much, much smoother all around. Granted, as someone said, mislabelled or unrecognised movies will stay that way for now, but the positives much outweigh that.

So, I've been waiting to say this for a few days: Well Done, Boxee.

edan
January 22nd, 2010, 08:44 AM
I thought the UI in Alpha was pretty slick, but the new UI is definitely better! The new homepage is better, too, makes it more clear what you can do with Boxee :)

The promise of Boxee is so clear now that it makes me very impatient when everything doesn't work right :) (I told my wife it's an actual beta, not a fake beta like gmail...) Great job, team!

Jeramy
January 22nd, 2010, 12:05 PM
How do I get to become a beta tester?

iblastoff
January 22nd, 2010, 12:48 PM
How do I get to become a beta tester?

downloading the beta would be the first step.

gabz90
February 3rd, 2010, 12:39 PM
Hi! I'm Argentinian. I just have a small suggestion that involves your media library.
I've read tons of posts about how you cannot manually select which movies were incorrectly scraped, but I would like to see a feature that would let me add custom images of some regional singers that boxee didnt recognize (not even people outside my city does so i wouldn't expect boxee to do it), so i would have pictures instead of a black boxes with white text displaying the name of the artist, also pictures of their albums.
I'm not a developer yet, but I'm studying software engineering so may be I can give you guys a hand in the future as this is a very promising piece of software.

ajaffarali
February 23rd, 2010, 05:39 AM
Other than manually editing title info, I would also very much like a proper FastForward and the the x seconds jump that is currently on the beta.

mrmr
February 23rd, 2010, 09:26 AM
Please bring back the "Recognize" feature and the scanning of media seems to either take an extremely long time or just doesn't recognize my movies that the alpha version had no problem recognizing. I tried updating my sources but for some reason certain movies just don't get recognized... otherwise the latest build has been much more solid in the crashing department. I do not crash on exit like I used too. It would be great if you could implement an easier "Refresh" option possibly within each menu for each category maybe? It would save a huge headache of navigating to the source to do so.

Thanks for a great product.

zeroibis
March 4th, 2010, 10:52 PM
I really like it and wish I could use it but until I can watch my anime in HD again on crunchyroll then I am stuck on the alpha...

foghorn2
March 5th, 2010, 01:19 AM
Old UI was better, easy and it made sense. The new UI and its dumb sounds makes it less appealing. I don't want the MAC on my Boxee Box.

NPerez
March 14th, 2010, 08:28 PM
I haven't used Boxee in a few months. (until now)

I've got to admit, I miss the old skin, but that's okay because there's plenty of freedom to make my own (and the current one is very functional anyway).

The #1 reason that I'm excited about the current state of Boxee is that it was so easy to get it running on a dual-monitor setup, so I can work on one monitor and have Boxee on the other. Thank you for that. I remember this being a lot more complicated back in the day

I also remember that Boxee only looked right in widescreen. 4:3 finally feels natural & doesn't look squished, after a quick configuration. You guys have come a long way

vcosta
March 14th, 2010, 09:22 PM
Old UI was better, easy and it made sense. The new UI and its dumb sounds makes it less appealing. I don't want the MAC on my Boxee Box.

Are we talking about the same Beta!? my personal opinion is that boxee has progressed a lot both in usability as well as robustness since the alpha version.

The design and aesthetics of the GUI is so much more 2.0 now and really easy to use. I understand it may need to grow on you if you were used to XBMC or previous boxee but this new interface is really something.

Well done guys!

wolfram9999
March 21st, 2010, 11:08 AM
I'm a pretty recent user of Boxee, but honestly, the more I use the Boxee beta...the less I like it. The features are absolutely fantastic, don't get me wrong, but the UI is not very friendly. I'm kind of struggling for a word to describe the difficulty I have with it, but I suppose "over-compartmentalized" might be the most apt.

There's a lot of things to be done within Boxee (functionality=awesome), but not a lot of intuitive ways in which to do it (form=not so much).

Directly from the front page, there's a feed that pops up...a Feed that I didn't create, and don't really know how to edit. So, the first and most prominent thing on my Boxee home screen is a list of videos I don't care to see and don't know how to change. The Featured section is...eh...at least I get the purpose of this one, but I don't find it compelling. And my queue is there on the right-hand side, which is all right, but it doesn't always list things well (for example, new eps of 24 show up just labeled as 24, without the episode names/numbers.) I'd prefer to kill the Feed (maybe put it in a Social or Friends section up top, next to Apps) in favor of a more prominent queue placement section, with the show name, episode number, and original broadcast date listed.

The menu at the top seems quite intuitive, but whenever I navigate through, I get very confused and frustrated. I pretty much only want Boxee to be my main frontend for local media on my HDD and streaming sources from the web, which I'm pretty sure is what most folks here are looking for also. I'm more of a TV than a movie guy, so I find myself using the TV option most. And it drives me crazy!

Upon clicking on the TV icon, you are defaulted to the "My TV" screen, which seems to be pulling from TV shows I've subscribed to, plus some TV shows on my HDD. Which would be great, but it's only seeing one TV show on my HDD, and I have many. And I'm not quite sure how it even got the one TV show I have, since I don't recall ever adding any folders to scan. But maybe it did so automatically? But if so, why is it not seeing everything else? Arrgh. So confusing!

So, next, I want to search for shows that I haven't subscribed to. Basically, I want to channel surf on the web. But I find this piece to be unintuitive also. To access this content, you need to use the side menu, and, IMO, there is no good reason as to why this side menu is not displayed by default. There's plenty of screen real estate to keep it up at all times. And one slight mouse movement and it goes away, and then you have to bring it back up. Grr. This goes back to my "over-compartmentalized" comment earlier---too many clicks to get to one thing. I actually use the

When you do click on the side menu, you are confronted with my biggest gripe of all: for the love of God, why is there no alphabetical sort when looking for TV shows onlinet??? Arrrgh! It makes me want to slap babies. Yes, I realize there's a search option, but if you don't know what you want, and just want to navigate from the content from top to bottom, it's not a fun time.

Also, I have no idea how to add a folder on my HDD for quick access. I can navigate to the file path, but it's on my desktop so the file path is long and I'd hate to have to do that every time I wanted to see my media. (Note that I just tried to navigate to it, and Boxee crashed. Sigh.)

All this, and yet, I really have some sort of bizarre affinity for Boxee over all other web media frontends. I think Boxee has a lot of potential, but there are all these minor quirks that should either be fixed by default or fixable by the end user to make a happier, tailored, modular interface.

Off my soapbox now, realizing that this will probably make no difference. :)

naviscan2
March 23rd, 2010, 03:24 PM
Kudos y'all guys & gals for your hard and un-/under-paid work on improving betas!...

And because I am a pest:
I'm Still waiting on "Netflix Series Chronological Order"...
Opening Netflix TV / DVD series in Boxee: still listing episodes at random.
Maybe some Netflix geniuses (they have the money) will get this, so I would not browse Netflix in IE, with a mouse & KB on my TV...

matthewacker
March 25th, 2010, 02:44 PM
Likes:
Looks great on HDTV
Local Content Syncs with IMDB and TVDB
Speed of scrolling through 350 movies

Dislikes:
TV search doesn't seem to bring up anything
I'd like to be able to browse tv on the net (as many others have said)
Genres are very mixed, I have tons of Disney movies and some show up in Comedy and some show up in Family and .......

Take Away:
Great FREE product
Boxee video from boxee.tv seems to oversell simplicity and functionality
Would be great to be able to assign Genre tag (or other tagging functionality) to organize TV or Movies (local)
Eg. Put a "Family" tag on all my Disney movies

jwmcmann
March 27th, 2010, 12:54 PM
I would love to use Boxee more but with out the HD anime (up to 1280x720 for subscribers) from Crunchyroll I am still using a browser. PLEASE give me back the option to select the resolution to play the video in or something like it. I love Boxee and want to buy a Boxee box but this is a deal breaker to me. For somebody who knows what they are doing I can't believe that this would be a time consuming of difficult fix. The resolutions appear at the bottom of the playback window. It's just the option for 360, 480 or 720 size video.

Jim McMann

darcilicious
March 27th, 2010, 01:00 PM
I'm fairly confident that online HD content will be making its way into Boxee and the Boxee Box. I believe it's possible to get HD from YouTube for starters; I'm sure it'll be coming with other Apps too.

comcompass
March 27th, 2010, 07:01 PM
Still getting a white screen of death and no audio when trying to play TV shows on my freshly, totally updated AppleTV. All latest updates of ATVFlash, Boxee beta, Adobe Flash.

When clicking play, HULU web site comes up with a large black space where the player should be.

Something must be missing but what?

agentlame
March 27th, 2010, 07:40 PM
@wolfram9999:

You will enjoy Boxee more if you don't use a mouse. Use the arrow keys, or a remote.

TV shows do not have alphabetical sorting because Boxee only lists 200 at a time. There are WAY more than 200 in Boxee's catalog. (Please don't smack a baby because Boxee offers more shows than you can shake a stick at.)

Lastly, you can add folders from:
boxee > settings > media sources > add new source