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iRoNBiLL
May 22nd, 2010, 09:38 AM
http://website.navi-x.org/networks/ironbill/2.jpg

http://website.navi-x.org/networks/ironbill/3.jpg

Navi-X Repository
http://www.navi-x.org/boxee

Navi-X Googlecode SVN (For Manual Installs)
http://code.google.com/p/navi-x/

Download it and try it for yourselves... I'm sure it's everything that some of us have been missing in our lives at Boxee, and I'm proud to announce Navi-X is officially here!!! Off to work for me now, but you all enjoy!!

If you don't know what Navi-X is, check out www.navi-x.org for details on what I think may become known as the best Boxee plugin ever!! Enjoy!!

iRoNBiLL

Team Navi-X
www.navi-x.org

tcchris
May 22nd, 2010, 10:20 AM
Works great for me !!
The remote is not as functional in Boxee as XBMC so some options don't seem to be available , such as download .
But watching shows works great , thanks

iRoNBiLL
May 22nd, 2010, 09:01 PM
Well now that the cat is out of the bag and I'm home from work, let me tell you all what Navi-X is since nobody seems to know...

Navi-X is a "media browser" for finding content on the internet!! What kind of content do you ask???

Movies, TV Shows, Music, RSS Podcasts, Live Streams, News, Sports, whatever... We stream links from many, many, many sources that Boxee has not traditionally offered until now!

We have 85 processors, which means you can link to content on over 85 websites and play it back via Boxee on your TV!!

Videofriender, MovShare, and MegaVideo are some of our more popular processors, allowing you to playback any movie from these websites in your Boxee instantly. Want to catch up on the classics or miss something you haven't seen yet??? Now is a better time than ever!

We also have website scrapers that scrape whole video directories from websites and organize them into playlists for browsing. I personally like Crackle movies, Fancast and Adult Swim and anytime a website updates its content, it's instantly viewable in Navi-X.

For now, Downloading is not enabled but it may be some time in the near future... obviously the most popular feature hands down in Navi-X usually.

Realize we are originally based in XBMC, so you will also see content for XBMC available... disregard it as it will not help make Boxee better via plugins, etc.

This is a good start for now... cool thing is, lets say I watch Iron Man 2 and like it... I can click Share, then anyone viewing my favorites list can instantly playback the items from the home menu. Also, the links that save in the boxee site... they can be copied and pasted to others so they too can download WITHOUT even needing Boxee or Navi-X!! Technically, if you didn't wanna wait for us to implement downloading, you can do this now by logging into your boxee account at boxee.tv and view your activity, then click on your shared favorite to download it!!

Check out Navi-X yourself, cause we didn't spend every working minute trying to make this happen for you boxee users for nothing... this is what you have been waiting for... check out Navi-X on Boxee today!!!

iRoNBiLL

P.S. Props to my buddy Frank for making this work!

Fuzzgtp
May 22nd, 2010, 09:35 PM
Cool, can't wait to check It out!

mchlmrtz
May 22nd, 2010, 10:21 PM
This is Awesome! I'm still trying to get used to the navigation. I keep hitting the menu button and it backs me completely out of the app. Gotta remember to not hit that button.

Also, wondering if it would be possible to scrape videos from livewellhd.com? I have to leave boxee and go to clicker.com to watch these videos. Would love to be able to watch them within boxee.

iRoNBiLL
May 23rd, 2010, 12:54 AM
Okay...

First of all, I would like to thank "darcilicious" for closing my other thread, as I couldn't think of any other way to abandon it and transition to this new thread without telling people to stop using the thread... so even though some would be upset with a closed thread, I'm for a change quite thankful for this. :D

I will try to add links to tutorials or something as soon as possible. As it is we haven't updated the manual for over a year and we've had soooo many changes, it's crazy. :D

As for basic navigation... realize what you are browsing in Navi-X is basically a bunch of playlists linked to each other internally, with other links to playlists containing links to other playlists and multimedia content... genius concept when you think about it.

As for browsing content in general... you go through playlists proceeding with "browsing", but if you want to go back a playlist, click the grey/white arrow that looks like this... < and click on it, or press left until it turns white to highlight it, then press enter. Maybe eventually, we will get "Backspace=Go Back A Playlist"... I'm not a dev, but from what I hear, most of Navi-X 3.2 for XBMC features will be implemented in the near future.

Get back to you all soon with video tutorials to make it simpler to understand.

As for requesting website scrapers, yes we take requests here...
http://navix.turner3d.net/forums/?action=topic_view&id=76

**Note: You have to create a free playlist hosting account on http://navix.turner3d.net before you can add a request.

**Also, I already requested this for you on our website, so whenever you get around to making a free playlist hosting account, you can add more requests on the forums at the link above, as well as add links to movies, shows, podcasts and music. Your site looks like an easy request from my experiences. :D

iRoNBiLL

bmoura
May 23rd, 2010, 07:27 AM
This is Awesome! I'm still trying to get used to the navigation. I keep hitting the menu button and it backs me completely out of the app. Gotta remember to not hit that button.

Also, wondering if it would be possible to scrape videos from livewellhd.com? I have to leave boxee and go to clicker.com to watch these videos. Would love to be able to watch them within boxee.

I have the same problem. Keep hitting ESC key and that accidentally terminates the Navi-X app. I also see that some Navi-X features (like Plug-Ins and HTML) don't work yet.
Otherwise, what can i say? This is quite an App!

It's going to take me awhile to wade through all of the content here. A fine addition to Boxee!
Thanks to the Navi-X team for making the Boxee experience even richer.

judgeschambers
May 23rd, 2010, 07:51 AM
I'll have to check this boxee version out and see what it's all about. Looks interesting. :cool:

I remember using Navi-x on XBMC (soft mod) and most of the sources never worked or were invalid. Or I just could never figure it out... :(

Update:

Wow, you're killin' me with this! There's a ton of cool stuff on this now! I could spend hours soaking this all up...'

The menus are pretty deep, so I had a hard time finding things again later (navix search is your friend). Shows don't show in your Boxee History, but like ironbill said, if you luv or like them with boxee they show up in you Boxee.tv activity and you can download them if you so desire. But the streams were great, so why bother wit DL'ing...

Very cool. App works nicely. Everything I tried played. Nice work.

Mamba
May 23rd, 2010, 08:32 AM
Repository link not working: http://www.navi-x.org/boxee/
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You do not have permission to access this document.

judgeschambers
May 23rd, 2010, 08:34 AM
Just worked for me. You paste the link in your Boxee Repository to download the app with boxee...not a browser.

Mamba
May 23rd, 2010, 08:38 AM
>post this in your Boxee Repository to download

Ah...thanks...still kinda new at this.

judgeschambers
May 23rd, 2010, 08:41 AM
>post this in your boxee repository to download

ah...thanks...still kinda new at this.

np..........:d

gmd024
May 23rd, 2010, 10:03 AM
Just worked for me. You paste the link in your Boxee Repository to download the app with boxee...not a browser.

JC - Where's the Boxee Rep. located to post the Navi-X link into?

judgeschambers
May 23rd, 2010, 10:07 AM
Got to My Apps

Now look to the left and make the left hand menu open

At the bottom you will see Repositories..click to open

Now, make the menu open in Repositories and click Add Rep. Now past that URL in

You can click on the app icon and then click Add to My Apps so it will always show up in My Apps.

While you're at it, add Fuzz's The Boxee Repo : http://dir.fuzzthed.com/ as the NaviX app is already listed there and you'll get all of the other third party apps in one shot.

To view the entire list of the third party apps, just visit the main site listing. http://www.fuzzthed.com/repository.php

gmd024
May 23rd, 2010, 10:59 AM
Got to My Apps

Now look to the left and make the left hand menu open

At the bottom you will see Repositories..click to open

Now, make the menu open in Repositories and click Add Rep. Now past that URL in

You can click on the app icon and then click Add to My Apps so it will always show up in My Apps.

While you're at it, add Fuzz's The Boxee Repo : http://dir.fuzzthed.com/ as the NaviX app is already listed there and you'll get all of the other third party apps in one shot.

To view the entire list of the third party apps, just visit the main site listing. http://www.fuzzthed.com/repository.php


Thanks JC - got it now

WOW - Boxee keeps getting better and better --- what a huge amount of content!!

This will be a 'cable tv killer' (or should I say this 'is' a catv killer) - the small town I live in has only one ISP and also is the only catv provider - over the same coax cable - the 'over air' availability is non-existent because of the distance and terrain from the broadcasters
I hope the recent FCC ruling that sided with the ISP's doesn't escalate their ability to throttle back bandwidth to those customers using a lot - and of course some of those same customers who may have closed their catv accounts in favor of Boxee and whatever other offerings that crop up in the near future

I know I'll be one of the first Boxee Box customers when it's available

Thanks again for your help -- Boxxee Rocks!!

iRoNBiLL
May 23rd, 2010, 11:24 AM
That's correct, you cannot view the content of our repository via a browser, unless you use Fuzzthed's repo viewer or just type it in in Boxee. You can even launch it live from our repo.

Glad to hear somebody is finally diving into the app. I agree, why download if you can stream fine. Have fun!

iRoNBiLL

Mamba
May 23rd, 2010, 11:44 AM
Looks really schweet iRoNBiLL...thanks! The navigation via remote takes a bit of get'n used to but so far all the content I've tried has worked...that's a big +.
And nothing against FTD's "Apple Trailers" app but I like the Navi-X one better...easier to see/choose via a list than a slider.

iRoNBiLL
May 23rd, 2010, 12:36 PM
Looks really schweet iRoNBiLL...thanks! The navigation via remote takes a bit of get'n used to but so far all the content I've tried has worked...that's a big +.
And nothing against FTD's "Apple Trailers" app but I like the Navi-X one better...easier to see/choose via a list than a slider.

Just to let everyone know... I'm not the one to thank for Navi-X. I mean I did help quite a bit, but it is a community efforts and due particularly to a "few good men" with some uber-coding skills, the boxee version is now available.

I'm just happy to help connect the dots and just get to the destination! As for Apple Movie Trailers... I don't know what FTD's is like, but I definitely like checking out trailers every so often for upcoming releases.

gmd024
May 23rd, 2010, 12:44 PM
I've been checking out a lot of the content in Navi-X but it seems as though more than half of the content I access, it pops up a window that says "This item is not supported because it is a..." - anyone have an idea what's wrong or how to fix this issue

Also - I have a 5Mb download Cable internet connection (Measures 4.8Mbs 99% of the time) - but a lot of the newer movies I try to watch stop to buffer almost every minute or two - Is 5Mbs down not enough BW for this content in Boxee - or is there an adjustment in Boxee to resolve the constant buffering - maybe a way to lower the resolution of the movies??

harlekin
May 23rd, 2010, 12:55 PM
Two points of improvement that should be tackled asap.

Back Button Issue.
It is not feasible that you have to press four buttons in a specific order, just to get one playlist back and into the browsing process again.

Resume list browsing position, not default to top position.
Whenever you start to play an item and exit with x, the list position will reset to the first item on the page. Worse, Navi-X does that with an inbuild delay (at least on my machine), so that when you are in the browsing process again, skipping through new items, the set back takes place - due to the slight delay on exiting media. No set back would be the best solution, but the current delay is absolutely unacceptable, from a usability pov.

iRoNBiLL
May 23rd, 2010, 12:57 PM
@gmd024

As for items that say... "This item is not supported because it is a..." The reason you see this is because only video and audio playback is supported at this time. These things are being enabled at this time in upcoming releases of the plugin, as most of it is not yet supported. Good news is our buddy Frank has already got about half of it working in his beta. :D

As for slow playback, listen carefully... Just like any web browser, if you browse and playback movies from videofriender or whatever, especially on the weekends, ESPECIALLY if they are very popular movies to stream this moment, you will experience buffering, as these websites servers are constantly bombarded on weekends in particular. The week is not so bad, but unless Videofriender or whoever you are streaming from upgrades their network services and bandwidth, you will not like playback of movies from certain websites during the weekend. Nothing we can do about websites offering too little bandwidth to serve their users. Eventually, a download option will be offered in Navi-X for boxee so you can start a DL, then come back to a un-interrupted movie.

Remember as well, sites like MegaVideo who have a 72 minute playback limit, STILL have limitations in effect... so essentially, if you rack up what Megavideo site considers to be 72 minutes of video, you will have to wait an hour, then attempt playback again! Yes, it's annoying and no I'm not God or I would make other peoples servers work like a Ferrari.

So within all the power and glory that is Navi-X, even we are mortal and are subject to the environment around us. There is sooooo much to inform people about the Navi-X concept, but I will try to explain more as time progresses.

iRoNBiLL

harlekin
May 23rd, 2010, 12:59 PM
Great to sne Navi-X on Boxee nevertheless, I found that I start using Navi-X on XMBC and on Boxee for different kinds of content. In other words, I like it. I like it a great deal. :)

Two points of improvement that should be tackled asap.

Back Button Issue.
It is not feasible that you have to press four buttons in a specific order, just to get one playlist back and into the browsing process again.

Resume list browsing position, not default to top position.
Whenever you start to play an item and exit with x, the list position will reset to the first item on the page. Worse, Navi-X does that with an inbuild delay (at least on my machine), so that when you are in the browsing process again, skipping through new items, the set back takes place - due to the slight delay on exiting media. No set back would be the best solution, but the current delay is absolutely unacceptable, from a usability pov.

iRoNBiLL
May 23rd, 2010, 01:08 PM
I'm getting feedback faster then I can respond, but I expected this :D Will try to keep up with explanations if I can...



Back Button Issue.
1. It is not feasible that you have to press four buttons in a specific order, just to get one playlist back and into the browsing process again.

Resume list browsing position, not default to top position.
2. Whenever you start to play an item and exit with x, the list position will reset to the first item on the page. Worse, Navi-X does that with an inbuild delay (at least on my machine), so that when you are in the browsing process again, skipping through new items, the set back takes place - due to the slight delay on exiting media. No set back would be the best solution, but the current delay is absolutely unacceptable, from a usability pov.

1. Why don't you just click the back arrow at the top left with your mouse as suggested before?? This works better than arrows or keys. :D Not to mention, we are going to make it so the backspace key / and comparable remote button to do the same thing in 1 touch in next releases... just wanted to bring it up again peeps... we are porting from XBMC right now and the Navi-X plugin for boxee isn't even version 1.0 yet.... I promise if you give us a little time, well get there, lol!

2. We normally have Navi-X work like this! Check the XBMC script and you'll see your feature in action already... soon to be implemented in the plugin I'm sure. Also, the Navi-X plugin for Boxee is simply a parser for Boxee... so any delays you have encountered is due to your system resources or lack of them or unless Boxee is admitting to a bug, it's certainly nothing we can control... like I'm saying, Boxee is just linked to our online directory... that's it. We have no application coding in the plugin really... just linkage. I have not noticed any delays so far, but I am still testing as we speak. If you could give me an example to look at, perhaps I can re-create the error. In my testing of the plugin however, if anything I am noticing Navi-X running faster if anything... not slower.

iRoNBiLL

P.S. The reason I'm pointing out "lack of resources" as thee issue perhaps is I'm running Boxee and Navi-X on a Dell Optiplex GX270 (ooold machine) AND it still runs 4 times faster then the XBMC version... and my machine is on it's last legs... something we are overlooking maybe?

gmd024
May 23rd, 2010, 01:10 PM
@gmd024

As for items that say... "This item is not supported because it is a..." The reason you see this is because only video and audio playback is supported at this time. These things are being enabled at this time in upcoming releases of the plugin, as most of it is not yet supported. Good news is our buddy Frank has already got about half of it working in his beta. :D

As for slow playback, listen carefully... Just like any web browser, if you browse and playback movies from videofriender or whatever, especially on the weekends, ESPECIALLY if they are very popular movies to stream this moment, you will experience buffering, as these websites servers are constantly bombarded on weekends in particular. The week is not so bad, but unless Videofriender or whoever you are streaming from upgrades their network services and bandwidth, you will not like playback of movies from certain websites during the weekend. Nothing we can do about websites offering too little bandwidth to serve their users. Eventually, a download option will be offered in Navi-X for boxee so you can start a DL, then come back to a un-interrupted movie.

Remember as well, sites like MegaVideo who have a 72 minute playback limit, STILL have limitations in effect... so essentially, if you rack up what Megavideo site considers to be 72 minutes of video, you will have to wait an hour, then attempt playback again! Yes, it's annoying and no I'm not God or I would make other peoples servers work like a Ferrari.

So within all the power and glory that is Navi-X, even we are mortal and are subject to the environment around us. There is sooooo much to inform people about the Navi-X concept, but I will try to explain more as time progresses.

iRoNBiLL

Understood and thanks for the quick explaination -- I'll be patient and just keep hoping that Navi-X/Frank/and yourself get the wrinkles ironed out (no pun intended) asap -- Great app and a great addition to Boxee

Thanks

darcilicious
May 23rd, 2010, 02:48 PM
I've got the plug-in installed on Windows 7 Home Premium x64 and I only audio, not video for streaming TV episodes from ABC and CBS.

No problems with content from Discovery Channel or HBO...

iRoNBiLL
May 23rd, 2010, 03:08 PM
Thanks for the feedback darcilicious... this has been reported in our direct forums to be brought to our developers attention.
http://navix.turner3d.net/forums/?action=topic_view&id=550

As for anymore technical errors (not questions), please visit here and create a quick and easy playlist hosting account, so we can address these issues for you faster and more effectively.
http://navix.turner3d.net/forums/

I have a feeling ABC and CBS are rtmp content, so maybe something to do with this. I have asked the folks upstairs to take a look on our forums however.

iRoNBiLL

unisonband
May 23rd, 2010, 04:12 PM
Plugin works great! If you have a premium account with megavideo, is there a way to enable that in Navi-X?

iRoNBiLL
May 23rd, 2010, 04:32 PM
I would think it's technically doable in Boxee, but not at this time. Will see what Frank thinks about this, and will try to get back to you. Definitely not doable on the XBMC versions though from my understanding, via script.

frankboxeetv
May 23rd, 2010, 04:54 PM
Hi everyone. I'm the one who ported Navi-X to Boxee. The app is already better than what I expected I could do when I started since it's my first Boxee app, first time writing python and first application development of any kind. The only programming I've ever done before is crunching numbers.

I wanted to do a first release even if it's feature-incomplete to get the ball rolling and get feedback from people.

I'll try to respond to some of the issues discussed here.

mchlmrtz
I'm still trying to get used to the navigation. I keep hitting the menu button and it backs me completely out of the app. Gotta remember to not hit that button.

This one is tough. Many Boxee apps behave like this one and exit as soon as you press Escape or Back using a remote. Some apps can back to the previous view by saving the previous window states. The problem is that I have to use the Navi-X data structures in parallel with the Boxee built-in data structures. I'm not sure if all the information can be saved in these window states. It's probably possible to get Escape working like you describe but it's not on top of the priority list unless someone can suggest an easy way to do this.

tcchris
The remote is not as functional in Boxee as XBMC so some options don't seem to be available , such as download .

Every item you see in the lists can be of different type: playlist, video, audio, image, html, script, plugin, download, text and a few others.

This release supports playlist, video and audio only. image, html and text will be in the next release for sure. Download could be implemented later. script and plugin are specific to XBMC and will most likely never work.

Other useful features from Navi-X like the favorites and history should be in the next release as well since they're pretty useful.

judgeschambers
The menus are pretty deep, so I had a hard time finding things again later (navix search is your friend). Shows don't show in your Boxee History, but like ironbill said, if you luv or like them with boxee they show up in you Boxee.tv activity and you can download them if you so desire. But the streams were great, so why bother wit DL'ing...

Favorites and history within the app should help with this in the next release.

gmd024
Also - I have a 5Mb download Cable internet connection (Measures 4.8Mbs 99% of the time) - but a lot of the newer movies I try to watch stop to buffer almost every minute or two - Is 5Mbs down not enough BW for this content in Boxee - or is there an adjustment in Boxee to resolve the constant buffering - maybe a way to lower the resolution of the movies??

The gray text at the bottom of the app should give an idea of the video's actual source such as videofriender, stagevu, megavideo, etc. If one has a buffering problem there is not much you can do apart from trying again later when it's not as busy. In a later release (not sure when) it will be possible to download instead of stream media to get around this. Sort of like an online PVR.

harlekin
Back Button Issue.
It is not feasible that you have to press four buttons in a specific order, just to get one playlist back and into the browsing process again.

By my count it's only three buttons: Left-Select-Right ;) I discussed this earlier.

Resume list browsing position, not default to top position.
Whenever you start to play an item and exit with x, the list position will reset to the first item on the page. Worse, Navi-X does that with an inbuild delay (at least on my machine), so that when you are in the browsing process again, skipping through new items, the set back takes place - due to the slight delay on exiting media. No set back would be the best solution, but the current delay is absolutely unacceptable, from a usability pov.

In the next release the list position will not be reset. As far as the delay goes, the way to completely remove it would be to use the window states discussed earlier. I'll look into it.

darcilicious
I've got the plug-in installed on Windows 7 Home Premium x64 and I only audio, not video for streaming TV episodes from ABC and CBS.

It's probably an issue with Boxee and rtmp streams. It looks like a bug with Boxee. Can you try with other streams? A current "symptom" of a rtmp stream in my app is that the title is not shown in the player OSD (this will be fixed).

unisonband
Plugin works great! If you have a premium account with megavideo, is there a way to enable that in Navi-X?

This would have to be implemented in Navi-X on XBMC first. All I really did is adapt their code for the Boxee API.

iRoNBiLL
May 23rd, 2010, 04:56 PM
Darcilicious, Turner just got back to me regarding ABC and CBS not playing...

This is what he told me directly...

"Again, this is a case of "not the fault of Navi-X". If media playback starts (even audio only), it's done its job. Not playing the media back properly is an issue with something beyond Navi-X."

So in short, he's stating that Boxee is having trouble playing this media format back. From my understanding, this is rtmp protocol and I don't know what Boxee's capabilities are with rtmp. I can tell you both ABC and CBS are working just fine for me, but then again I'm on a Dell Optiplex GX270 with Windows XP... and trust me, you don't want to use this thing, but it is definitely playing back ABC and CBS no problems here...

This leads me to think it is not an issue with rtmp, but maybe something different within Windows 7 video settings... I can't say for sure. Anyone who is good at troubleshooting video playback on Boxee... if you can chime in on this one, you would be much appreciated.

As in all cases, Navi-X simply points to the content and lets Boxee handle the playback parameters, just like XBMC... so if a Boxee troubleshooter could chime in here, you help would be greatly appreciated and I'll help do whatever I can to try and resolve this. Thanks!

EDIT: Hey Frank!!! Thanks for chiming in buddy, as your feedback will be very relevant since you the man here for Navi-X at Boxee. You certainly chose the right app to start programming with Mr. Numbers, ha! Anytime you see a post you can chime into, feel free to.

newcolour
May 23rd, 2010, 05:08 PM
Tried it this afternoon. It hung up my boxee after a few mins the first time.

It worked great afterward.

Thanks for porting it. I am still exploring it... :)

S.

iRoNBiLL
May 23rd, 2010, 05:57 PM
Hey Team Boxee,

Thanks again for not booting me from your forums for talking sooo much. I know I been talking a lot, but there is so much to talk about that I'm just trying to keep my words at a minimum from not filling your forums with bologna, lol!

With that said, here is tutorial one for new users. We will eventually turn this text into an awesome Howcast video for Boxee users, but for now I know many of you are anxious to get started... with this in mind, I now present our tutorial on how to use the Navi-Xtreme Media Portal for adding links to content on the internet for playback in Boxee!!!

Navi-Xtreme Media Portal Tutorial

Navi-Xtreme is the official Navi-X website for our playlist management system. You can go to the website, create a free playlist hosting account and add links to content from websites on the internet that we have created a processor for. You can also directly link to content directly on the internet, with a file extension on the end of the link. (example: .avi, .mkv, .flv)

So, if you wanted to add a link into Navi-X to watch a movie for example, here is how you do this.

1. Go to http://navix.turner3d.net
2. Create a new account on the bottom-left of the site menu.
3. Confirm your account by logging into your email address and clicking confirm.
4. Login to your free playlist hosting account at http://navix.turner3d.net
5. Click on "My Playlists".
6. Click "Create New Playlist".
7. Fill out the entries for the playlist, including title, description,
background, logo, playlist icon, player and visibility. (ONLY a Name is required!)
8. Below, click "Add New Entry" to add an item to your playlist.
9. Fill out the item entry with AT LEAST Name and URL. The rest is optional.
At this point, I normally check out tvshack.net and paste in a MovShare
or MegaVideo URL, from a popular movie I want to watch.
10. Click Save.
11. Now you can browse to your playlist in Navi-Xtreme via the Navi-X Plugin on Boxee. To do so, one way would be to click on "My Playlists" under Navi-Xtreme, then click on the name of the playlist you just made, then click on the media item to play it back.

In Boxee, you also have the ability to "Share" this item via Boxee with social networks and people who join your feed. If the internet contains a video link, you can link to it right now via social networks, regardless of what it is if we have a processor for it on Navi-Xtreme... thats all you really need to know. Instead of playing it back via browser, it streams the media file only directly into the Boxee player.

In short, Boxee users can now build a public community of custom content inside of Navi-X, without obscurity or boundaries for everyone to share and see! This is just the tip of the iceberg, but as you can see, there are an endless amount of questions that can and will arise from these new capabilities...
If you all would do me a favor and search the Navi-Xtreme forums for the answer first, you would really save me a lot of time from repeating myself, as we may have already discussed it there in great detail... http://navix.turner3d.net/forums

I hope you all enjoy the Navi-X plugin and I will give you another tutorial real soon!

P.S. For those who kept up with this tutorial... technically, if you wanted to... you could create your own .plx files manually and fully customize your playlists, as well as not have to necessarily use the automated system... hosting playlist files that link internally... this is how Navi-X Networks works as well, as it is editted all in notepad like other playlists! :D The flexibility of Navi-X is near endless... more to come!

iRoNBiLL
May 23rd, 2010, 05:59 PM
And for those of you wondering...
"What websites can I directly add links from to play in Navi-X??"

Here is the current list of our 85 processors for Navi-X:
***By the way, a lot of these sites also have scrapers for browsing whole directories of video and audio content as well! :D

4kidstv.com
abc.com
animefreak.tv
antiques.tv
banashare.com
blip.tv
cbs.com
clubcanal.com
collegehumor.com
cracked.com
crackle.com
current.com
dailymotion.com
divx-tube.com
divxstage.net
divxvine.com
diynetwork.com
dumpert.nl
ebaumsworld.com
empflix.com
escapistmagazine.com
espn.go.com
eurosport.fr
fancast.com
filebase.to
filmon.com
filmtrailer.com
forbes.com
foxsports.com
fragg.me
funnyordie.com
gamekings.tv
gamespot.com
gametrailers.com
guba.com
holamun2.com
IGN
koldcast.tv
liveleak.com
machinima.com
maxim.com
megavideo.com
metadivx.com
movshare.net
nakedcanal.com
nbc.com
nfb.ca
novamov.com
nuvideo.nl
pbs.org
pokerstars.tv
pokertube.com
pornhub.com
redtube.com
Reuters News
rooftopcomedy.com
rutube.ru
smotri.com
smotri.com
stagevu.com
submityourflicks.com
thatguywiththeglasses.com
theanimenetwork.com
tnaflix.com3.1+
trailers.apple.com
tube8.com
veehd.com
vibux.com
video.google.com
videofriender.com
videoweed.com
vimeo.com
vreel.net
watchmojo.com
xhamster.com
xnxx.com
xtranormal.com
xvideos.com
youjizz.com
youtube.com

tcchris
May 23rd, 2010, 06:48 PM
Great job guys !

bsell81
May 23rd, 2010, 07:47 PM
I have A 10mbs connection connecting at 8-9mbs and am having buffering issues also. I have, although, only tried 1 movie, Tooth Fairy.

unisonband
May 23rd, 2010, 08:08 PM
Quick observation: I created a test playlist with a HD trailer, but boxee plays it back with the resolution of 416X160 not 720P. I love the fact that all of this content is available, but is there a way to get it in HD? I also tested the same file in XBMC and it's the same thing - no HD. Is this an issue with the site, or Navi in general? Thank you for your time in the forums Bill :)

EDIT: Tested a file on another site, and the full resolution appeared. Now I need to test a HD file :)

P.S. I love this plugin, it works much better on Boxee vs. XBMC too - thank you for the site, and to the plugin author!

iRoNBiLL
May 23rd, 2010, 08:17 PM
Remember... the newer the movie (on the weekend in particular!) the more likely it will have buffering issues due to too many users accessing the file on the video host.

Check previous post for a more thorough explanation please.

As for HD content, but not much and it's hard to find... I been busy painting my house for a minute, but I'll give you some examples later when I'm not so pooped. Some of the trailers in Apple Movie Trailers are HD I believe. Will check later... soo sleepy!

iRoNBiLL

newcolour
May 23rd, 2010, 08:51 PM
@Ironbill

Just a few questions:

1. I have seen the playlists (including yours), but I can play only a few (and cannot play yours). If I click on the playlist it gives me only its description

2. How do I share what I have watched? I watched an episode of still standing by searching for it in the list of Guba content. I wanted to share it but I did not find out how.

3. Does the plugin overcome the megavideo 72mins limit?

Cheers,
S.

P.s. Strike out #1, I have found the way. Sorry!!

Fuzzgtp
May 23rd, 2010, 10:04 PM
It should be pretty easy to enable going back with the escape/backspace button using

PushState http://developer.boxee.tv/Window_Class#PushState on your onclicks and PopState on your backbuttons. These probably could have saved you some time instead of doing everything manually.

frankboxeetv
May 23rd, 2010, 10:28 PM
It should be pretty easy to enable going back with the escape/backspace button using

PushState http://developer.boxee.tv/Window_Class#PushState on your onclicks and PopState on your backbuttons. These probably could have saved you some time instead of doing everything manually.

Yeah... I wasn't aware of those functions until recently and haven't tried it yet. Does the state include every object created or just the classes from the mc module? Right now every important information in the app is in a CPlaylist object (Navi-X class). The ListItems are only used for display and a final ListItem is created after some processing to use with the Player.

iRoNBiLL
May 23rd, 2010, 10:51 PM
@Ironbill

Just a few questions:

2. How do I share what I have watched? I watched an episode of still standing by searching for it in the list of Guba content. I wanted to share it but I did not find out how.

3. Does the plugin overcome the megavideo 72mins limit?

To share what you watched, play the video and when it starts playing move your mouse to the top right and click on "Share", then choose the basic message or a custom message.

And no, we cannot overcome the 72 minute limit unfortunately.

frankboxeetv
May 23rd, 2010, 11:03 PM
To share what you watched, play the video and when it starts playing move your mouse to the top right and click on "Share", then choose the basic message or a custom message.

And no, we cannot overcome the 72 minute limit unfortunately.

This kind of sharing and the Navi-X items in the Activity Feeds of people you follow will not always work. It will depend on the source of the video. For example videos from megavideo are impossible to share.

bmoura
May 24th, 2010, 12:22 AM
Other useful features from Navi-X like the favorites and history should be in the next release as well since they're pretty useful.

Favorites and history within the app should help with this in the next release.



Great job Frank!

On the upcoming releases, I agree that being able to bookmark favorites at the top screen of Navi-X will enhance it since there is so much content here.

iRoNBiLL
May 24th, 2010, 10:01 AM
This kind of sharing and the Navi-X items in the Activity Feeds of people you follow will not always work. It will depend on the source of the video. For example videos from megavideo are impossible to share.

Hey Frank, If you want me to prove it, I can always paste for you a link I'm sharing from MegaVideo right now to see it works... don't know if the moderators would be cool with it, since it appears anyone can click the link and it works. Looks like MegaVideo doesn't have a sharing limitation either... if anything, audio wont let me share, but MegaVideo... alll day!

I still have to have a conversation with Turner as to how Boxee is utilizing our processors to get a permanent location on the file for people to access and share... last I check, Navi-X only does this on the fly, so I'm confused why it's working the way it is now... very odd, but very cool! Try MegaVideo yourself if you'd like...but remember, you don't have to watch 72 minutes worth of video before it cuts... just load a couple links from there and stop them and your cut down to like 10 minutes of playback. Also remember, if someone has already racked up 72 minutes, then tries playing your link, it will not work for another hour.

unisonband
May 24th, 2010, 03:54 PM
I love this plugin! After hours of using it now, it is really one of my favorites now. It's a shame about megavideo having that time limit...however there are other sites that don't have that, and even allow for HD video... I won't post what the site is, but I'm sure many of you know which one it is :D Thanks you guys for the plugin!

gmd024
May 24th, 2010, 05:13 PM
I've been trolling around the Navi-X App for a couple of days and don't think I've even scratched the surface of the huge amount of content it offers

What a great addition to Boxee

iRoNBiLL - got a question, if your tuned in - over this past weekend I mentioned that some of the HD content was buffering very frequently over my 5Mb down cable connection and you and Frank both replied that it was most likely the busy weekend/bandwidth/comsumption on certain providing sites

Today (Monday) in the mid PM I was checking a couple of the movies I couldn't keep a 'lock' on (frequent buffering) over the weekend and they still were stopping to buffer every minute or two

Not sure if I should mention the one that comes to mind - I can't remember where I was accessing it from either but the buffering problem is still occuring and the busy weekend bandwidth drawdown is supposedly behind us

Any thoughts as to why this is still occuring on a couple of the newer movies available now in Navi-X -- maybe they are uploaded/available in such a High-Res format that this may be the cause of the issue
btw - they were both available as a 'Part 1 and Part 2' - I'm sure because of their file sizes

Thx

Update - to minor issues with recent movies available in Navi-X -- the recently released movies keep changine from Black and White to Color while viewing

unisonband
May 24th, 2010, 05:50 PM
As far as buffering, more then likely if a few other users are watching the same video, it will buffer... I tested a HD file that was set to "private" and buffering was pretty much non-existent :)

One quick question Bill: is there, or will there be a way to have a favorites section within the plugin, or have a way to import items found to your own playlists?

EDIT: I figured out a way to do it through the simulator...I'm hoping for a easier way though through the app itself :)

iRoNBiLL
May 24th, 2010, 07:10 PM
gmd024, our friend unisonband here made a good point and suggestion to try... however, your ISP also makes a big difference as well. I don't know what internet company you are using, but I'm gonna take a lucky guess and say Comcast. :D Either way, let me know what internet company you use and you and me can run some live tests to see what the issue at hand is... better to post in our forums for this and well catch up in the shoutbox! If nothing else, well find out whats causing the crappy bandwidth... if you'd like, head over to http://navix.turner3d.net/forums and drop a post there... nobody will ban you for saying or posting something considered "questionable" and you can say whatever you like all day there... within reason :D

unisonband, yes! We normally have a favorites and history section for finding these things easily again... it just was not implemented in 0.9, but is already working and should be available in Navi-X plugin 1.0! Coming soon! And unisonband... if you want to kindly tell me what website in particular you are talking about here: http://navix.turner3d.net/forums then you can tell us whatever their without fear of being banned or having a finger shaken at you. We are always on the hunt to add new websites to the Navi-X arsenal. :D

Zvonimir
May 24th, 2010, 11:55 PM
iRonBiLL and Frank, thank you so much!!!! This app has an astronomical amount of promise, and I can't wait to see how it improves. I for one, and I am sure many others appreciate your hard work.

unisonband
May 25th, 2010, 05:59 AM
unisonband, yes! We normally have a favorites and history section for finding these things easily again... it just was not implemented in 0.9, but is already working and should be available in Navi-X plugin 1.0! Coming soon! And unisonband... if you want to kindly tell me what website in particular you are talking about here: http://navix.turner3d.net/forums then you can tell us whatever their without fear of being banned or having a finger shaken at you. We are always on the hunt to add new websites to the Navi-X arsenal. :D

That's great to hear it will be implemented :D Also, it would be really sweet if it went back a page while clicking to the left, rather then clicking to the left then hitting OK. How did I think of this? The Navi simulator on your site is this way, and it makes navigating much easier :)

As far as a website, it's nothing new to you I'm sure! I am probably just watching videos not being watched by others, thus the no-buffering issue... good news is I have been able to watch some 720P content, with no buffering at all.

Questions: Will there by any other views implemented into the plugin? I would love to see videos like in boxee, with the posters on the left and the descriptions on the right, all on one page! This is no big deal, just a suggestion for the UI. And lastly, would it be possible to integrate content from the plugin into the content in your local library? There are a few movies I would love to have appear with my local content ;)

I love the plugin, thank you!

unisonband
May 25th, 2010, 06:01 AM
Update - to minor issues with recent movies available in Navi-X -- the recently released movies keep changine from Black and White to Color while viewing

On all of them, or just the recent "screener" that was posted? ;) Those tend to do that... rest assured most of the content streams in full color for me :D

gmd024
May 25th, 2010, 10:25 AM
I've been trolling around the Navi-X App for a couple of days and don't think I've even scratched the surface of the huge amount of content it offers

What a great addition to Boxee

iRoNBiLL - got a question, if your tuned in - over this past weekend I mentioned that some of the HD content was buffering very frequently over my 5Mb down cable connection and you and Frank both replied that it was most likely the busy weekend/bandwidth/comsumption on certain providing sites

Today (Monday) in the mid PM I was checking a couple of the movies I couldn't keep a 'lock' on (frequent buffering) over the weekend and they still were stopping to buffer every minute or two

Not sure if I should mention the one that comes to mind - I can't remember where I was accessing it from either but the buffering problem is still occuring and the busy weekend bandwidth drawdown is supposedly behind us

Any thoughts as to why this is still occuring on a couple of the newer movies available now in Navi-X -- maybe they are uploaded/available in such a High-Res format that this may be the cause of the issue
btw - they were both available as a 'Part 1 and Part 2' - I'm sure because of their file sizes

Thx

Update - to minor issues with recent movies available in Navi-X -- the recently released movies keep changine from Black and White to Color while viewing

iRoNBiLL and unisonband - thanks for your replies and offers to help, but the buffering and B&W issues seem to have dissappeared

I've been playing the one movie that had the worst amount of both mentioned issues for about 45 minutes now with no problems at all

unisonband - the movie I'm playing now (which had the most issues) is one that has been added within the last 2 or 3 days

iRoNBiLL - I'm quite certain of my down-speed measurement - I have tested it back to back with about 4 different speed testing apps/sites and they all report within 1/10 of a Mb (4.8mb/s) -- one being my ISP's test (yah, I know - prob the least accurate :rolleyes:) - another being 'speedtest.net' - an App installed on my PC - and I can check the speed in my router

btw - speaking of my router/LAN network - The PC I view Boxee on is wirelessly N connected to my N router -- the PC's WIFI N adapter connects to the router at 300mb/s over 99% of the time
I doubt if this may be the possible cause of the issues mentioned (since the movie that experienced the most issues is still playing perfectly for almost an hour now) - let me know if you think differently about this

It probably boils down to the fact that there may be less viewers accessing this movie online at this time - (around 10:24 am EDT)

I'll keep checking this same movie at different times/days of the week and report back if the previous issues pop up again

Thanks again

gmd024
May 25th, 2010, 10:34 AM
As far as buffering, more then likely if a few other users are watching the same video, it will buffer... I tested a HD file that was set to "private" and buffering was pretty much non-existent :)

One quick question Bill: is there, or will there be a way to have a favorites section within the plugin, or have a way to import items found to your own playlists?

EDIT: I figured out a way to do it through the simulator...I'm hoping for a easier way though through the app itself :)

Where can the "set to private" setting be located

iRoNBiLL
May 25th, 2010, 10:49 AM
@unisonband... "That's great to hear it will be implemented Also, it would be really sweet if it went back a page while clicking to the left, rather then clicking to the left then hitting OK. How did I think of this? The Navi simulator on your site is this way, and it makes navigating much easier..."
Clicking to the left, then clicking okay... I'm confused as to what you speak of... I never seen when browsing that you have to click an ok button... could you give me a screenshot or something because I have no idea what you are talking about with this one.

Questions: Will there by any other views implemented into the plugin? I would love to see videos like in boxee, with the posters on the left and the descriptions on the right, all on one page! This is no big deal, just a suggestion for the UI. And lastly, would it be possible to integrate content from the plugin into the content in your local library? There are a few movies I would love to have appear with my local content.
The plugin is meant to be a replica of the original Navi-X script, which we can't implement these features on for XBMC via script... so it will probably not carry over to the boxee version, unless we come up with a way to offer this feature in both XBMC and Boxee. We offer an XBMC plugin that does what you are asking, but I highly doubt you'll see it in the plugin for Boxee anytime soon. As for integrating it into the local library, this is what the "download" option will be for, when it's released.

@gmd024... Glad to hear your bandwidth issues seem to have subsided. The point I was getting at yesterday is the issue of "throttling", which due to a court order recently, now some ISP's have the power to limit bandwidth from high bandwidth users anytime to below sub-standard levels... thus why I asked about Comcast. :D If all is well, I wouldn't worry about it then. These things have nothing to do with your bandwidth allotment, but more so usage and trend tracking from ISP's... but again, it doesn't seem like the problem you are having. Also the issue will popup again... so don't worry about reporting it... remember, we just link to these websites... if the websites bandwidth sucks, it's them sucking, not Navi-X :D

Also, to make a playlist "private", go to http://navix.turner3d.net and login, then click on "My Playlists", then click on a playlist to view it's details...click the radio button next to "My IP address only (##.##.##.##)". Now when browsing to your playlist in Navi-Xtreme, only you will be able to see the contents of this playlist. Click "Sync IP" on the left side as well if you have not already. This is how Navi-Xtreme knows it's you accessing your playlists.

gmd024
May 25th, 2010, 12:44 PM
gmd024... Glad to hear your bandwidth issues seem to have subsided. The point I was getting at yesterday is the issue of "throttling", which due to a court order recently, now some ISP's have the power to limit bandwidth from high bandwidth users anytime to below sub-standard levels... thus why I asked about Comcast. :D If all is well, I wouldn't worry about it then. These things have nothing to do with your bandwidth allotment, but more so usage and trend tracking from ISP's... but again, it doesn't seem like the problem you are having. Also the issue will popup again... so don't worry about reporting it... remember, we just link to these websites... if the websites bandwidth sucks, it's them sucking, not Navi-X :D

Thanks -- I've been aware of the recent FCC ruling - my ISP isn't Comcast fortunately - it's a smaller regional company that has not announced their intentions to throttle bandwidth for high-use customers (yet!!)

And thanks for the 'how to' on the 'private' settings - I'll try it

newcolour
May 26th, 2010, 09:58 AM
Also, it would be really sweet if it went back a page while clicking to the left, rather then clicking to the left then hitting

I second that. Everything that saves a click is always welcome!

Cheers,
Newcolour

iRoNBiLL
May 26th, 2010, 12:04 PM
Also, it would be really sweet if it went back a page while clicking to the left, rather then clicking to the left then hitting...
Cheers,
Newcolour

Guys... I have no idea what you are talking about on this one... I only have to single click to get anything working in Navi-X.... so what you are telling me is confusing at best and misunderstood at worst. Someone please clarify this with a screen shot or a more vivid description of the issue in question please... I'm soooo confused as to what you would like fixed right now... help me help you! :D

iRoNBiLL

newcolour
May 26th, 2010, 12:27 PM
Try the facebook photo app. It has the feature that was requested.

In just a few words, in the present version, in order to go back to the previous menu you have to do "left and click". It would be desirable (for me, at least, but it can stay like this if more people prefer it) to just need to use "left" to go to the previous menu.

The reason for this (for me, at least) is that the content of the app is really huge and, if I am searching for something, it may take me quite a number of clicks on my remote to get where I want.

BUT... this is just my opinion, don't eat me alive :)

Cheers,
S.

Mamba
May 26th, 2010, 12:43 PM
>In just a few words, in the present version, in order to go back to the previous menu you have to do "left and click"

I know what you are talking about. However, with a remote, it depends on where the focus lies. If the focus is in the right-hand list, then yes, left and "ok" to go back a screen. But if the focus stays on that top left "back arrow", you just keep press'n "ok" to regress. What's difficult sometimes, for me at least, is detecting/moving the focus via remote.

iRoNBiLL
May 26th, 2010, 01:28 PM
LOL!! Now I understand what you are telling me guys, lol! In short, I feel it's rather "picky", but I certainly see where you are coming from! :D

As for navigating Navi-X, we are also in the process of essentially re-mapping the navigating of the plugin, to better mimic the XBMC version itself. The reason left is not utilized the way you speak of is because the left key is also used for browsing back from reading text descriptions and meta data. I do not know if this can be done, but I will certainly ask. Realize this one though won't be on top of the "to do" list, but I will bring it up next time I talk with the devs... this is actually a good idea, lol. Thanks for the excellent description of the feature!

frankboxeetv
May 26th, 2010, 03:15 PM
I know what you mean by using a left button press to go back and I could do it that way. The issue remains of how to add new features while keeping the extremely simple control scheme that the Boxee remote will have (essentially 4 directions + a Select button) For example how to add the selected item to favorites? How to go to the download manager which will eventually (I hope) exist? I was thinking of maybe using a "slide out" menu on the left for these additional options. This already exists in XBMC and I think I could make it like the "left menu" in the Boxee apps view. The way I see it, the 4 directions will have to be used to give focus to the different elements. Now the "back" or Esc key could be used to go to the previous list like it does in some apps. This is harder to do in Navi-X than other apps for Boxee since the built-in lists don't contain the actual location of the content. I know that last sentence is kind of vague but the point is that it's not as straight forward as it is for other apps.

delavoie
May 28th, 2010, 10:53 AM
Awesome app guys.. keep up the great work.
I've been blown away by this app, and i'm still using it daily to see what else i can find on it.. it's amazing.
I predict this app will become the most popular app on boxee!!

judgeschambers
May 28th, 2010, 11:01 AM
I could care less about the back button option...LOL I just love the variety of the content on this app!:eek:

I use a mouse and keyboard with my HTPC and Boxee, so I had to get used to mousing up to the left key and clicking it vs. using eh ESC key to go back a page. No biggie, I got over it in 30 seconds. :p

iRoNBiLL
May 28th, 2010, 12:32 PM
Thanks again for the compliments guys... here is the Navi-X news for this week!!

Work on plugin 1.0 I heard is coming along well... frank, if you want to chime in with an update, feel free. As far as an ETA for release, Frank is working hard so I'm sure well see more goodness coming soon.

Sounds like there may be more user features on the way for the Navi-Xtreme website, including a messaging system and a ratings system!! Heard it's in the works now. I'm working on re-arranging and adding content to the Navi-X Networks, so everything is accessible from there that's available elsewhere. I'm also working on re-doing the thumbs and logos with a transparent-type logo for each major listing and re-structuring Navi-X Networks internally to make it run faster and more efficiently for our increased user load on the servers.

Also, if anybody here at Boxee is interested in adding brand new sections to the Navi-X Networks, let me know!! My good buddy Dominater, made a "Gaming Networks" section in Navi-X Networks and now XBMC users can dl and play xbox games and demos via Navi-X... you could be the next to manage your very own section in Navi-X Networks!! When more features are added, this may become more popular so if you have a good idea for a new section, drop it here and elaborate on it!

Thanks again for the comments folks... trying to get as much feedback from Boxee users as we can, so we know where we can make improvements. Have a good one!

Mamba
May 28th, 2010, 01:15 PM
>Awesome app guys.. keep up the great work.

+1 to that!..you guys rock! Looking forward to the 1.0 release.

If it's not been mentioned, sure would be nice to have some type of bookmarking/shortcut feature. Biggest issue I have is that I find a section of content I want to return to later on, but there is SO much to look thru that often I can't recall how I got there! ;). Then I have to go Search again and hope I find it.

iRoNBiLL
May 28th, 2010, 07:20 PM
Good news Mamba... if you didn't read the posts before... History and Favorites will be implemented on the 1.0 release!! They normally come standard in Navi-X but because it was ported to Boxee, we had to figure out how to handle the local file references first to implement them! Thanks to Frank for this and all his hard work for Team Navi-X!!

iRoNBiLL

Mamba
May 28th, 2010, 07:23 PM
Musta missed that talk, but excellent news...again, you guys ROCK! :D

iRoNBiLL
May 28th, 2010, 11:44 PM
Hey Guys,

Did not know how much this would matter to anyone on Boxee, but we now have good resolution streams of BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4 and BBC News (Live)!! It can be found in Navi-X Networks on Navi-X!

Heard some of us are having trouble with regional blocking.... what regional blocking, lol!!!

bmoura
May 29th, 2010, 04:55 PM
I've got the plug-in installed on Windows 7 Home Premium x64 and I only audio, not video for streaming TV episodes from ABC and CBS.

No problems with content from Discovery Channel or HBO...

I'm seeing the same problem with some of the channels as well. Time for a bug report to be filed on jira.boxee.tv. (See Jira Boxee Bug# APP-152 at http://jira.boxee.tv/browse/APP-152)

judgeschambers
May 29th, 2010, 05:13 PM
I'm seeing the same problem with some of the channels as well. Time for a bug report to be filed on jira.boxee.tv !

Do you mean ABC NBC in NaviX or in boxee direct?
I think the NaviX are recorded files and not Flash streams from ABC NBC like in Boxee direct.

bmoura
May 29th, 2010, 05:24 PM
Do you mean ABC NBC in NaviX or in boxee direct?
I think the NaviX are recorded files and not Flash streams from ABC NBC like in Boxee direct.

Video content in the Navi-X plug in. It's happening on several of the channels.

judgeschambers
May 29th, 2010, 11:06 PM
Video content in the Navi-X plug in. It's happening on several of the channels.

Huh, that's odd. They're playing good on my two boxes. Hmmmm. :confused::confused:

bmoura
May 30th, 2010, 12:59 AM
Huh, that's odd. They're playing good on my two boxes. Hmmmm. :confused::confused:

Well, the bug report is up on Jira. Maybe some of the developers can figure it out.

For the videos that do work, Navi-X is still very cool in my book! :)

iRoNBiLL
May 30th, 2010, 01:44 AM
Hey Guys,

I am assuming the jira ticket is for Team Boxee and not for me. Thanks for filing the ticket, as you are the second to report it.I got Windows 7 32-bit and everything is working fine for me... haven't seen this alleged audio issue yet.

As for ABC and NBC content, it comes directly from their websites in the States where they host video content. We currently do not stream live feeds of these channels.

judgeschambers
May 30th, 2010, 08:12 AM
Ok, I'm in the USA and here is what I see on an XP 32bit system:

Path--NaviX, Networks Portal, Video Networks, TV Shows: BBC, ABC, CBS, NBC

BBC 1-2-3-4 audio only that cuts out and back on again. Video Player does not pop up.

But it does not show the video player. Hit ESC and open the player with Now Playing or icon in top right, you now see it caching the video. If I force it to play I get video for a few seconds then caching starts again. After caching completes in 3 minutes, video plays smooth!:D
After 6 minutes it had to cache again for 30 seconds and crashed NaviX and the player.
Wonder if this something to do with the Proxy to see it here in the USA or for others is it the video driver or card or ping bouncing back to the UK for their viewers?
Once I got one BBC to cache and start, opening it again or BBC 2, 3, 4 triggered the video player to open right up (now and then), but had to cache before playing.

ABC Cougar Town works fine.


Boxee.log shows it is streaming directly from ABC site!
Hell, plays clearer, smoother and faster with NaviX than using the ABC links in Boxee's MY TV section

CBS CSI Miami works fine.


Boxee.log shows it is streaming directly from CBS site!
Hell, plays clearer, smoother and faster with NaviX than using the ABC links in Boxee's MY TV section!

NBC 30 Rock works fine. Actually, uses less CPU than Hulu.


Boxee.log shows it is streaming directly from NBC site!
Hell, plays clearer, smoother and faster with NaviX than using the ABC links in Boxee's MY TV section

The USA networks sites don't need to click enter to see the video full screen either. Less CPU and cleaner playback overall!

marcel
May 30th, 2010, 08:34 AM
the bug should be for Navi - X not team Boxee this is a third party repository ..

nuggyblake
May 30th, 2010, 08:50 AM
Ok, I'm in the USA and here is what I see on an XP 32bit system:

Path--NaviX, Networks Portal, Video Networks, TV Shows: BBC, ABC, CBS, NBC

BBC 1-2-3-4 audio only that cuts out and back on again. Video Player does not pop up.

But it does not show the video player. Hit ESC and open the player with Now Playing or icon in top right, you now see it caching the video. If I force it to play I get video for a few seconds then caching starts again. After caching completes in 3 minutes, video plays smooth!:D
After 6 minutes it had to cache again for 30 seconds and crashed NaviX and the player.
Wonder if this something to do with the Proxy to see it here in the USA or for others is it the video driver or card or ping bouncing back to the UK for their viewers?
Once I got one BBC to cache and start, opening it again or BBC 2, 3, 4 triggered the video player to open right up (now and then), but had to cache before playing.

ABC Cougar Town works fine.


Boxee.log shows it is streaming directly from ABC site!
Hell, plays clearer, smoother and faster with NaviX than using the ABC links in Boxee's MY TV section

CBS CSI Miami works fine.


Boxee.log shows it is streaming directly from CBS site!
Hell, plays clearer, smoother and faster with NaviX than using the ABC links in Boxee's MY TV section!

NBC 30 Rock works fine. Actually, uses less CPU than Hulu.


Boxee.log shows it is streaming directly from NBC site!
Hell, plays clearer, smoother and faster with NaviX than using the ABC links in Boxee's MY TV section

The USA networks sites don't need to click enter to see the video full screen either. Less CPU and cleaner playback overall!

Been running the United Kingdom feeds (Regional) from Atlanta, GA without any issues on my MacBook, Mini and ATV (they are infact amazing - Cant wait to watch Coronation street :o). I did notice (which might be the Judges's issue it lag and cache during certain times (which seem to be when others might be using the feed). I noticed this in XBMC also, feeds works great at certain times (usually late at night, early morning - late afternoon and evening when the young wipper snappers are hacking away, it gets laggy).

1. Tried a lot of movies - No issues.
2. Content does/ can seem to load faster than XBMC - Is this my imagination ?
3. I noticed one video (It will get louder - Jimmy Page Guitar documentary) that was very laggy with XBMC navi-x script, I switched to Boxee and it played flawlessly on Boxee.
4. The progress bar is awesome for Boxee - You can see the buffer building - Cant do this in XBMC.
5 Overall its very good - Personally dont care about navigation as I know how to use the damn remote :D

iRoNBiLL
May 30th, 2010, 10:33 AM
OK... nuggyblake and judgechambers, thank you for your feedback about playback. I'm glad to hear it is working just fine for you as it is me. :D

For bmoura and marcel...
As far as any technical troubles are concerned, we at Team Navi-X do not intend on utilizing the jira system for support issues involving Navi-X. Because our support threads span multiple sources, we essentially take any bug reports over at http://navix.turner3d.net regarding the Navi-X plugin for Boxee.

I have spoken with one of our primary engineers and coders in regards to these playback issues within Boxee of video content... here is the exact quote from him again... "...This is a case of "not the fault of Navi-X". If media playback starts (even audio only), it's done its job. Not playing the media back properly is an issue with something beyond Navi-X." In short, we point the finger at Boxee (in a nice way though :D)

As with XBMC and with WiiMC, Navi-X is not rocket science or anything especially complex... just look at the playlist source code to see for yourselves... simple stuff. ALL Navi-X does is link to the item for said media center application to play using the players included in the media center for playing back said video, audio or whatever. The only thing even half complex about Navi-X is "processors", which simply spit out the final uri for playing content linked from Navi-X and these are simple server side scrapers that do this uri scraping. Unfortunately, people misunderstand how Navi-X works on a regular basis and they assume we are hosting content or have a lot to do with what content does or does not play back in said media center and this simply is not the case.

I just wanted to make this apparent out the gate, because as it is I had to flag down a member of Team XBMC a while ago and explain all this to them so they understood why we are unable to address media center related concerns. Then they continued to accept tickets opened for playback issues with XBMC involving Navi-X because they understood better how our script worked.

I can tell you at this time I have both Windows XP and Windows 7 machines setup for testing Navi-X on Boxee, with very basic setups and all sources I have attempted playback of ALL content in Navi-X and they have all worked fine for me... all of them (well, minus some flakey rtmp streams...minimal...video and audio only). Without being able to replicate these issues on our side, we can only determine one of 3 things, either your computer is not properly configured/setup for playback of content on Boxee, your copy of Boxee is having technical troubles or PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair). I know this isn't the answer most are looking for but it is the correct answer, for what it's worth. I hope this clarifies a couple of things regarding Navi-X.

judgeschambers
May 30th, 2010, 01:31 PM
Ironbill,

Makes sense to me as NaviX is just a feed source.

But, what I find odd is the network TV sources- ABC, CBS, NBC. I see the URL directly to the network site in Boxee.log and some other web URL's too for the show when opened, but there are no commercials and it does not open up at all like in Boxee. The quality is even different as it's encoded with ff-vp6f codec. So, these can't be direct from the network source.
13:21:23 T:2344 M:405544960 INFO: XBPyPersistentThread::Process, run script, (python)
13:21:23 T:2344 M:404656128 NOTICE: Processor: phase 1 - query
URL: http://1227611
Processor: http://navix.turner3d.net/proc/nbcuni
13:21:23 T:2344 M:402972672 NOTICE: Processor GET: http://video.nbcuni.com/nbcrewind2/smil/94147108039c04f40089cc5e35294556.smil
13:21:24 T:2344 M:402939904 NOTICE: Processor final result:
URL: rtmp://cp37307.edgefcs.net:80/ondemand?
PlayPath: nbcu/nbcrewind2/94147108039c04f40089cc5e35294556_0700
SWFPlayer: http://www.nbc.com/assets/video/3-0/swf/NBCVideoApp.swf
13:21:24 T:2344 M:402911232 INFO: Scriptresult: Success
13:21:24 T:2344 M:402911232 INFO: XBPyPersistentThread::Process, iteration started (python)
13:21:24 T:3284 M:401412096 NOTICE: DVDPlayer: Opening: rtmp://cp37307.edgefcs.net:80/ondemand?
13:21:24 T:3284 M:401362944 WARNING: CDVDMessageQueue(player)::Put MSGQ_NOT_INITIALIZED
13:21:24 T:4388 M:401338368 NOTICE: Creating InputStream
13:21:24 T:4388 M:403984384 INFO: CDVDFactorySubtitle::GetSubtitles, searching subtitles
13:21:24 T:4388 M:403972096 INFO: CDVDFactorySubtitle::GetSubtitles, searching subtitles done
13:21:24 T:4388 M:403972096 NOTICE: Creating Demuxer
13:21:25 T:4388 M:403390464 INFO: ffmpeg[1124]: Input #0, flv, from 'rtmp://cp37307.edgefcs.net:80/ondemand?':
13:21:25 T:4388 M:403382272 INFO: ffmpeg[1124]: Duration: N/A, start: 0.000000, bitrate: N/A
13:21:25 T:4388 M:403374080 INFO: ffmpeg[1124]: Stream #0.0, 1/1000: Video: 0x0000, 1k tbn
13:21:25 T:4388 M:403361792 INFO: ffmpeg[1124]: Stream #0.1, 1/1000: Audio: 0x0000, 0 channels, s16
13:21:25 T:4388 M:403353600 NOTICE: Opening video stream: 0 source: 256
13:21:25 T:4388 M:403353600 NOTICE: Creating video codec with codec id: 0
13:21:25 T:4388 M:403337216 ERROR: Unsupported video codec
13:21:25 T:4388 M:403337216 WARNING: CDVDPlayer::OpenVideoStream - Unsupported stream 0. Stream disabled.
13:21:25 T:4388 M:403337216 NOTICE: Opening audio stream: 1 source: 256
13:21:25 T:4388 M:403337216 NOTICE: Finding audio codec for: 0
13:21:25 T:4388 M:402935808 ERROR: Unsupported audio codec
13:21:25 T:4388 M:402935808 WARNING: CDVDPlayer::OpenAudioStream - Unsupported stream 1. Stream disabled.
13:21:25 T:4388 M:402931712 WARNING: CDVDPlayer::Process - Could not detect frame rate for: rtmp://cp37307.edgefcs.net:80/ondemand?. Using default of 25.000 fps for conversion of any commercial break frame markers to times.
13:21:25 T:4388 M:402804736 NOTICE: Opening video stream: 0 source: 256
13:21:25 T:4388 M:402804736 NOTICE: Creating video codec with codec id: 95
13:21:25 T:4388 M:402800640 NOTICE: CDVDVideoCodecFFmpeg::Open() Using codec: On2 VP6 (Flash version)
13:21:25 T:3284 M:402898944 ERROR: [ActionType=PLAY] - Item Followup on the BBC sources with Windows 7:
The BBC sources played worse or audio only in my Win-7 Atom/Ion machine. There was no way I could get it to buffer up like I could on the XP machine. Very odd the difference, but seems a codec, PC or network limitation of sorts.

Overall, I luv this app for all the other features: Movies & music!

bmoura
May 30th, 2010, 08:59 PM
the bug should be for Navi - X not team Boxee this is a third party repository ..

That's how it was submitted - as an "APP" entry in Jira.

bmoura
May 30th, 2010, 09:04 PM
Ok, I'm in the USA and here is what I see on an XP 32bit system:

Path--NaviX, Networks Portal, Video Networks, TV Shows: BBC, ABC, CBS, NBC

BBC 1-2-3-4 audio only that cuts out and back on again. Video Player does not pop up.[INDENT]

But it does not show the video player. Hit ESC and open the player with Now Playing or icon in top right, you now see it caching the video. If I force it to play I get video for a few seconds then caching starts again. After caching completes in 3 minutes, video plays smooth!:D
After 6 minutes it had to cache again for 30 seconds and crashed NaviX and the player.
Wonder if this something to do with the Proxy to see it here in the USA or for others is it the video driver or card or ping bouncing back to the UK for their viewers?
Once I got one BBC to cache and start, opening it again or BBC 2, 3, 4 triggered the video player to open right up (now and then), but had to cache before playing.



Your observations about BBC videos exactly match what is happening here. And what's in the Jira bug report.

judgeschambers
May 30th, 2010, 09:30 PM
And I'm not complaining at all. I have a 99.99% success rate of anything I play on NaviX. The BBC stuff I could care less about...sorry.. ><

I was just giving support to Bill on replication of the video issues other were having, but with some more details.

bmoura
May 30th, 2010, 11:04 PM
And I'm not complaining at all. I have a 99.99% success rate of anything I play on NaviX. The BBC stuff I could care less about...sorry.. ><

I was just giving support to Bill on replication of the video issues other were having, but with some more details.

Just picked up a Revo 3610 at the local Fry's this weekend. So we will see how it fares with Boxee and Navi-X soon! :)

judgeschambers
May 30th, 2010, 11:22 PM
Just picked up a Revo 3610 at the local Fry's this weekend. So we will see how it fares with Boxee and Navi-X soon! :)

Baring any weirdness, it should work like mine does. ;)

iRoNBiLL
May 31st, 2010, 12:22 AM
"But, what I find odd is the network TV sources- ABC, CBS, NBC. I see the URL directly to the network site in Boxee.log and some other web URL's too for the show when opened, but there are no commercials and it does not open up at all like in Boxee. The quality is even different as it's encoded with ff-vp6f codec. So, these can't be direct from the network source."

Judgechambers... hard to slip much of anything passed you, lol. I will tell you that ABC, CBS and NBC use content delivery networks for distributing traffic from different locations in the world... so while you may not be getting the bandwidth and connectivity directly from these servers technically, a CDN is hardlined into the actual server via edge connection hosted by these companies, which in turn feed you their content. Run a trace route and I'll bet it leads you to their front doors. :D A lot of big networks use CDN's for feeding data and you'll notice you end up in their loops when accessing their content via Navi-X. I promise it's definitely nothing I uploaded anywhere! As for commercials, anyone can bypass those if you know a thing or 2 about coding. ;) Lookup the ability of "processors" on our forums at http://navix.turner3d.net/forums for more details. If you don't know about CDN's google them... content delivery networks... good stuff to read!

marcel
May 31st, 2010, 04:56 AM
As far as any technical troubles are concerned, we at Team Navi-X do not intend on utilizing the jira system for support issues involving Navi-X. Because our support threads span multiple sources, we essentially take any bug reports over at http://navix.turner3d.net regarding the Navi-X plugin for Boxee.

I completely agree with you and by the way love the work you guys have done

judgeschambers
May 31st, 2010, 05:43 AM
Judgechambers... Lookup the ability of "processors" on our forums at http://navix.turner3d.net/forums for more details. If you don't know about CDN's google them... content delivery networks... good stuff to read!

Interesting. I'll check that out. :cool:;)

iRoNBiLL
May 31st, 2010, 01:14 PM
Glad to hear your compliments guys... much appreciated from Boxee and friends!

Sccrluk9
May 31st, 2010, 02:23 PM
The amount of content in this app is insane! Great job!

It seems as though everything I try playing listed on videofriender doesnt work. Is anyone else having problems with this or have any solutions?

Edit: Tried a bunch more in different lists and they all seemed to work well. I cannot stress how much I love this app!

iRoNBiLL
May 31st, 2010, 06:28 PM
Thanks Sccrluk, glad to hear Videofriender is working for you now.

unisonband
May 31st, 2010, 08:51 PM
Is there a way to get XBMC or Boxee plugins to work in Plex? Since all are based off XBMC, I could see it being quite easy to get it working (I hope)...

judgeschambers
May 31st, 2010, 09:11 PM
Is there a way to get XBMC or Boxee plugins to work in Plex? Since all are based off XBMC, I could see it being quite easy to get it working (I hope)...

Remember, boxee's internals are completely different now than XBMC. Totally separate entities now as far as coding. So, what works on one is not going to work on the other.

judgeschambers
May 31st, 2010, 10:00 PM
I made a NaviX public playlist linking to my Youtube Boxee beta / Revo demos.
Not too bad to do. Next I want to try adding some other feeds to make a custom play list.

bmoura
June 1st, 2010, 01:41 AM
I made a NaviX public playlist linking to my Youtube Boxee beta / Revo demos.


Actually your videos are pretty good. In setting up my Revo, I'm using your blog vs. the videos though.

iRoNBiLL
June 1st, 2010, 09:10 PM
Hey Guys,

Good news... on top of the recently added Live stream of BBC News, we also have enabled the BBC News Podcasts for use in Boxee today!! Regardless of where you live, anyone can now get BBC in one flavor or another! Thanks to JustMe4u2c for his processors and contributions!!

lematyke
June 2nd, 2010, 01:18 PM
Hey iRoNBiLL,

Thanks for that, you and Turner3d get giga-props for all the work you've done. As a Navi-X user since v2.x in XBMC, I've been telling anyone who listens how great it is (even with the weird navigation in earlier builds);). It was a pain switching between XBMC & Boxee just because I couldn't get the great content & better streaming quality within Boxee.

Now, IMHO Boxee is far and away the best HTPC software in terms of performance, appearance, and with the addition of Navi-X - CONTENT! The only thing left for me (besides various bug-squashing) is to get Netflix quality on par w/watching in a browser. Of course, the amount of content on Navi-x has me seriously considering ditching Netflix in any case.:D Win MCE-who?

offero
June 2nd, 2010, 06:08 PM
I am having trouble locating Navi-X in the Boxee apps section. I have fuzthed's repository as well as the navi-x repository added. Do I still have to manually install the app into the apps directory?

Edit: Seems like the apps were simply not populating at the time in boxee; I can get to them now. Maybe it was a network issue.

Navi-X is an awesome concept BTW.

iRoNBiLL
June 2nd, 2010, 08:06 PM
Thanks for the compliments guys. I can only accept them on behalf of my fellow teammates... would love to be the mastermind behind it but alas... I'm not that smart, lol!

Lematyke, glad to hear you been with Navi-X for a long time. Transition to Boxee has be a warm welcome to us so far from both the Boxee team and fans! People seem to be loving the app port so far, and I'm glad you love it too.

Hey Offero, yeah sometimes the repo is slow to populate and can run live or download first.

thearm
June 5th, 2010, 07:34 AM
Two points of improvement that should be tackled asap.

Back Button Issue.
It is not feasible that you have to press four buttons in a specific order, just to get one playlist back and into the browsing process again.



The above was an old post but I just wanted to say I agree w/ this. I use the back button to go back in pretty much every aspect of Boxee except Navi-x. So it's hard to remember to use the arrows to go back when it's sort of natural to his the back button.

That's all. So far, I can't see anything unique in Navi-x(haven't messed w/ it to much because of the back button believe it or not) but it looks like there will be with the XBMC plugins options.

iRoNBiLL
June 5th, 2010, 01:54 PM
The back button issue has already been addressed. I said this would be implemented in 1.0 a while ago, in this forum topic, so unless I'm told otherwise, nothing has changed.

That's all. So far, I can't see anything unique in Navi-x(haven't messed w/ it to much because of the back button believe it or not) but it looks like there will be with the XBMC plugins options.

Would you clarify this for me?? If you are stating that it does not look different than XBMC's version, the overall look will stay the same (hence a boxee port, not a brand new version of Navi-X :D ) but as far as features this is not the case. It only supports limited options in 0.9, but tons of features are being added in 1.0 from my understanding and already have. It will take time to add additional features on a new platform for us... be patient and well get there.

thearm
June 5th, 2010, 03:45 PM
The back button issue has already been addressed. I said this would be implemented in 1.0 a while ago, in this forum topic, so unless I'm told otherwise, nothing has changed.

Hmm, maybe I don't have 1.0 then because the back button doesn't work. But I just discovered and downloaded Navi-x last week when I saw this thread so I would think I have the latest. I'll try to find out what version I have this weekend.

Would you clarify this for me?? If you are stating that it does not look different than XBMC's version, the overall look will stay the same (hence a boxee port, not a brand new version of Navi-X ) but as far as features this is not the case.

I can't comment on this. I don't use XMBC anymore, and I've never used Navi-x w/ XBMC, so I'm not sure about looks. I use Boxee full time now. I was speaking in terms of functionality. It just looks to me like the functionality of Navi-x has potential (i.e. using XBMC plugins via Navi-x in Boxee unless I'm interpreting 'XBMC plugins' wrong) but it really isn't anything new.


be patient and well get there.

Oh yeah, no worries. I'm very patient. I'm grateful to have Boxee and the apps people create. I can wait. I think it's almost 100% there except for blu-ray playback and I'd love to somehow integrate tvshack into Boxee. Which I'm researching now.

Don't get me wrong please. XBMC and Boxee are awesome. It just seems like Boxee already offers what Navi-x has. But like I said, I haven't used it much yet.

judgeschambers
June 5th, 2010, 05:31 PM
thearm,

1.0 has not yet been released..... ;)

Dixon Butz
June 5th, 2010, 07:06 PM
How do I install this in Boxxe? I'm a noob. Thx.

judgeschambers
June 5th, 2010, 07:10 PM
How do I install this in Boxxe? I'm a noob. Thx.

I (we) outlined the install process in the first few posts for another noob. :p I believe it's the first page my post #10 - #14.

Dixon Butz
June 5th, 2010, 07:27 PM
I (we) outlined the install process in the first few posts for another noob. :p I believe it's the first page my post #10 - #14.

Thx. I finally understand how to install it.

judgeschambers
June 5th, 2010, 07:34 PM
Thx. I finally understand how to install it.

NP. Glad you sorted it out. :D

nuggyblake
June 5th, 2010, 09:34 PM
IronBill, BTW, I love the app, I have been a Navi-x user with XBMC for a long time. I have noticed recently that on occasion during a stream, navi-x will quit the stream and return back to the navi-x gui. I use 3.3 script on my atv (XBMC), 3.1 script on my MBP and 3.3 script on my mini, and whatever the latest boxee version is. It happened today within boxee and has happened several times in the last month within XBMC, hence my question,

Any Ideas ? Is this a common issue ?

Cheers.

Nigel

judgeschambers
June 5th, 2010, 09:58 PM
What's the video source?

I seem to recal Iron said earlier....mmmm was it Megavideo that has a 70 minute limit to the stream and it cuts off?

I had it happen the other day. Got trough CD1 and could not view CD2 till the next day or a few hours later.....

nuggyblake
June 5th, 2010, 10:14 PM
What's the video source?

I seem to recal Iron said earlier....mmmm was it Megavideo that has a 70 minute limit to the stream and it cuts off?

I had it happen the other day. Got trough CD1 and could not view CD2 till the next day or a few hours later.....

mmmm.... Today it was the curious George movie (for my three year old, honest:p) after 20 mins (boxee navi). In the last few weeks it was Jaws after 40 mins (xbmc navi-x script 3.1 on my atv), and The book of eli after 15 mins . It seems to be movies more than anything.

I will check for source and re-post.

Its a bit of pain as you cant really FF or jump to a location (I would love a 5 min FF jump for all video content).

I found my logs and nothing looks fishy, I wonder if its EU related (bandwidth limit ?)

UPDATE: Looks like the movie source was the same for all the issues

iRoNBiLL
June 7th, 2010, 06:07 PM
@thearm... as for nothing new, I don't know exactly what you are expecting from Navi-X... I can tell you we scrape major broadcasters websites for content like plugins, but we also have a user created online playlist management system for sharing content with other users... check out http://navix.turner3d.net for more details on this. This will clarify what some of peoples more favorite features in Navi-X are. Good thing is we manage about 85 processors (like plugins) between a couple of people and if they go offline, everyone doesn't have to update plugins individually, since the processors are live on a server. By the way... did you actually look at the content available in Boxee??? I'm not trying to brag but we have WAAAAAY more content available now in Boxee because of Navi-X... and content people really want. I'm not saying Pandora isn't cool but we have like 3 flavors of internet radio in Navi-X. Sure many things are redundant, but look closer and I think you'll find something better like movies and tv shows you can't normally get in Boxee without some other make-shift solution.

@nuggyblake... drop by http://navix.turner3d.net in the shoutbox and well talk more about it. :D

nuggyblake
June 7th, 2010, 06:18 PM
@nuggyblake... drop by http://navix.turner3d.net in the shoutbox and well talk more about it. :D

Ahead of you ........:p See you there.

thearm
June 7th, 2010, 08:23 PM
@thearm... as for nothing new, I don't know exactly what you are expecting from Navi-X... I can tell you we scrape major broadcasters websites for content like plugins, but we also have a user created online playlist management system for sharing content with other users... check out http://navix.turner3d.net for more details on this. This will clarify what some of peoples more favorite features in Navi-X are. Good thing is we manage about 85 processors (like plugins) between a couple of people and if they go offline, everyone doesn't have to update plugins individually, since the processors are live on a server. By the way... did you actually look at the content available in Boxee??? I'm not trying to brag but we have WAAAAAY more content available now in Boxee because of Navi-X... and content people really want. I'm not saying Pandora isn't cool but we have like 3 flavors of internet radio in Navi-X. Sure many things are redundant, but look closer and I think you'll find something better like movies and tv shows you can't normally get in Boxee without some other make-shift solution.

Boxee I'm pretty familiar with. Navi-X I am not... yet. It's obvious to me now that there is something more to Navi-X than I'm seeing so I'll mess around w/ it more. Just from what I've seen so far, which isn't much, I didn't think it was much different that what Boxee already has to offer. You did say it was redundant so maybe that's all I've seen so far is the redundant features. But it looks like I'm wrong. Once the back button takes me back, I'll use it a lot more. It's just annoying to me to hit the back button out of instinct and then be taken back to the applications menu. Again, that is just me. Not everyone shares my sentiment I'm sure.

Sorry, I probably shouldn't of commented so quickly about something I have not yet fully explored.

Good day,

thearm

iRoNBiLL
June 8th, 2010, 12:00 PM
@nuggyblake... As for the reason something would stop... it depends on what source you are talking about, where it came from and how reliable it is. Remember, many sources in Navi-X comes from God knows where... we just find them and plug them in. If you are talking about BBC streams, it appears a person was nice enough to offer these streams for us, but now they appear to have playback issues or are not playing back at all... could be the person streaming this for everyone has went outta town for the weekend and the capture device he's using needs a reboot... maybe the server hosting the connection needs a reboot. If a major broadcast website stops working, they have their own troubles which could stop streaming as well... different circumstances for different sources. If it's a movie feed, I would say it's probably from Videofriender or MegaVideo and they both have their own issues. MegaVideo stops playback to users after 72 minutes of playback has been acquired, even if you only queue the movies or watch a crappy stream for a minute, then shut it off, you just racked up 45 minutes at MegaVideo... go fiigure. Videofriender is busy as hell often times, so their bandwidth blows cause everyone is using the hell out of it at certain times... tell me what specific sources you are using and I will give you a technical explanation if there is one.

nuggyblake
June 8th, 2010, 05:58 PM
@nuggyblake... As for the reason something would stop... it depends on what source you are talking about, where it came from and how reliable it is. Remember, many sources in Navi-X comes from God knows where... we just find them and plug them in. If you are talking about BBC streams, it appears a person was nice enough to offer these streams for us, but now they appear to have playback issues or are not playing back at all... could be the person streaming this for everyone has went outta town for the weekend and the capture device he's using needs a reboot... maybe the server hosting the connection needs a reboot. If a major broadcast website stops working, they have their own troubles which could stop streaming as well... different circumstances for different sources. If it's a movie feed, I would say it's probably from Videofriender or MegaVideo and they both have their own issues. MegaVideo stops playback to users after 72 minutes of playback has been acquired, even if you only queue the movies or watch a crappy stream for a minute, then shut it off, you just racked up 45 minutes at MegaVideo... go fiigure. Videofriender is busy as hell often times, so their bandwidth blows cause everyone is using the hell out of it at certain times... tell me what specific sources you are using and I will give you a technical explanation if there is one.

Cheers for the info. I actually was able to back track and they all seem to be from the same playlist (its a well known one). Not a huge deal.

iRoNBiLL
June 11th, 2010, 11:39 PM
Okay... it's Friday so you know what this means?? It's time for another update from the folks at Navi-X!!

In this segment, I will attempt to explain my "personal interpretation" of Navi-X in general so people have a better understanding of what we are trying to do at Team Navi-X for the app and tell you some of the latest hearings I have on Navi-X!!

As for what I have seen and heard coming soon for Navi-X... we are still waiting on our 1.0 update, as from my understanding we are looking to implement all basic features of Navi-X to the plugin for Boxee before we release 1.0, so people will not only be able to view video and audio, but also text and RSS feeds, podcast support, and even a new feature where FINALLY you can link directly to webpages with video content on them and it will playback in the Boxee Browser!! (Boxee Only, Not XBMC... sorry guys!)

As for fellow XBMC'ers... you will get to see some awesome stuff for XBMC that has never been available before!! In Navi-X 3.4, it appears we are implementing Navi-Xtreme login capabilities directly in Navi-X!! We also have our own working rating system in Navi-X 3.4 that will allow XBMC users to finally utilize a real rating system for Navi-X media items!! Massive breakthroughs in my personal opinion for XBMC'ers. I'm guessing we could integrate it into Boxee somehow but I don't know all the details so relax and I'll tell you when I know of it!

Also, on the Nintendo Wii, it looks like Broken Codes is making breakthrus finally for the Wii, already enabling simple processors like Videofriender to work on the WiiMC via Navi-X in beta!! So movies and tv show playback for the WiiMC is coming soon. Broken is currently working out the kinks for our other processors as we speak!!

Now... for those of you still trying to figure out what Navi-X is, let me give you the short and pretty of what our goals are as a team (in my perspective) and hopefully Navi-X will make more sense to you all...
Navi-X to me... is an addon for media center applications and PC's that adds accessibility to an everchanging, online archive of links to content all available pubicly over the internet. This would include most media types, including video (streaming, from websites, and podcast content mainly... automated content aggregation sources), audio ( internet radio, audio books and music streams), pictures, podcasts, rss, and text. The sources are all publicly accessible via a web browser... so the concept of the Navi-X Media Browser is that you only browse relevent multi"media" content available from websites on the internet... all in one interface of organized content for browsing... like a setup cable box with programming features.

Another way to get content would be from the podcasters and feed aggregators who automatically update their content on a regular basis... this essentially is another form of accessing content... when broadcasters update their content. News broadcasters update their shows on a daily basis... if everyone did this, we could simply permanently link to every broadcaster, whether they are independents or big time broadcasters and level the playling field evenly and make all broadcasters available from the same major categories!

The third way to access content is through user-created playlists. Through our online playlist hosting and management system, you or any other users can post any content of your choosing to Navi-X!! Whether you are a retro gamer with XBMC emulators and want to get your gaming fix, love internet streaming radio or want to check up on the latest available episodes and most active content, allowing you and others the freedom of making their own playlists of content gives you the full freedom of adding whatever is in your hearts desire!! If you're a rapper, an artist or podcaster, you can add your content to a Navi-X playlist and promote yourself. We also work directly with our users to create internal Navi-X promotions and highlighting of user and professional content in Navi-X!!

The whole point is Navi-X is a central interface that can really be used for centralizing and organizing an endless online directory of almost any types of multimedia. The only thing we are missing is live tv basically, and a lot of this can be performed through streaming it via a capture setup... so we are really, really close to perfecting the solution, but if we just had a little push from the Boxee community, we could really, really do something extraordinary together!!!

I hope this better explains the concept of what Navi-X is and gives you an idea of what I believe has been our ultimate goal for a long time and everyone elses goal as well. I'm happy to do whatever I can and with any luck (and some coding skills ;) ) we will get to our final destination together.
Everyone have a good weekend!!

Mamba
June 12th, 2010, 08:42 AM
Thanks for the update Bill...I already understand what Navi-X does, but the background on what it is, well that's welcomed also.

>we are still waiting on our 1.0 update

Ditto...patiently, at least trying to wait patiently. ;)

judgeschambers
June 12th, 2010, 09:38 AM
Iron,

Yeah, it's basically a user and Navix created TV guide of relevant media content. Sorta Clicker on steroids.

Pretty easy to understand really. I use it a lot for movies and even made my own play list that I"m going to expand on in the coming weeks.

Can't wait for the1.0 update!

joecacti
June 23rd, 2010, 08:40 AM
iRoNBiLL: Thank you. You're services are appreciated. I will be heading over to the navi-x forums to search more, but one thing that would be great is a 5 minute skip ahead feature. I realize it's probably more a function of the final content, but it can be annoying to get half-way through a movie and get dropped from the stream and have no way to scan forward to that point.

I'm also having a delayed audio effect on some streams, but that's probably a boxee issue I can resolve separately.

More than anything though, WOW. This brings some serious content to boxee, and really enhances my AppleTV experience...

gmd024
June 23rd, 2010, 12:58 PM
I'm also having a delayed audio effect on some streams, but that's probably a boxee issue I can resolve separately.

If you haven't found it yet -- you can access the settings button in the top right of the screen when content is playing in Boxee -- then choose audio and tweak the audio offset to sync the audio with the video - I had to tweak mine to '0' once after first installing Boxee - and haven't had to change it since

bmoura
June 24th, 2010, 02:47 AM
Okay... it's Friday so you know what this means?? It's time for another update from the folks at Navi-X!!

In this segment, I will attempt to explain my "personal interpretation" of Navi-X in general so people have a better understanding of what we are trying to do at Team Navi-X for the app and tell you some of the latest hearings I have on Navi-X!!

As for what I have seen and heard coming soon for Navi-X... we are still waiting on our 1.0 update, as from my understanding we are looking to implement all basic features of Navi-X to the plugin for Boxee before we release 1.0, so people will not only be able to view video and audio, but also text and RSS feeds, podcast support, and even a new feature where FINALLY you can link directly to webpages with video content on them and it will playback in the Boxee Browser!! (Boxee Only, Not XBMC... sorry guys!)



Nice! I'll be watching for the 1.0 Navi-X for Boxee update. (When I'm not using the current versions of Boxee and Navi-X for Boxee, of course...)

jendabom
June 24th, 2010, 07:41 PM
Wow I am a big fan of this as well. So much to watch! Really well done. I wish that the escape key would go to the previous menu like in other apps, but not a huge deal.

iRoNBiLL
June 25th, 2010, 05:31 AM
iRoNBiLL: Thank you. You're services are appreciated. I will be heading over to the navi-x forums to search more, but one thing that would be great is a 5 minute skip ahead feature. I realize it's probably more a function of the final content, but it can be annoying to get half-way through a movie and get dropped from the stream and have no way to scan forward to that point.

I'm also having a delayed audio effect on some streams, but that's probably a boxee issue I can resolve separately.

More than anything though, WOW. This brings some serious content to boxee, and really enhances my AppleTV experience...

We were working on a way to bookmark video files during playback, but I don't know where we are on this. Will look into it and get you info asap!

And Jendabom, we are working on putting this into Navi-X 1.0 for Boxee as we speak. Will update everyone when I hear back from our beloved Boxee dev!

iRoNBiLL

iRoNBiLL
July 6th, 2010, 12:04 AM
Hey Everyone,

Unfortunately, things have changed for me as of recently and I will no longer be checking this page for Navi-X related issues any longer. Someone will be checking here every so often, but not like I used to. Sooo...

If you all could go here for resolving technical issues with Navi-X, this would be helpful for both Team Navi-X and you in resolving concerns with Navi-X.

Navi-X Official Support Forums
http://navix.turner3d.net/forums/

If anyone is interested in hearing about me leaving, there are more details here... http://navix.turner3d.net/forums/?action=topic_view&id=595
Nothing exciting to report, in short... I need a job and cant spend time on anything else at this point. Will throw some talk on the forums every so often, when I get time to. Talk to you folks sometime in the near future!

iRoNBiLL

marcel
July 6th, 2010, 03:51 AM
Bill -Shame to see you leave Navi -X but please stay in touch on the forums on Boxee you experience is always helpful

judgeschambers
July 6th, 2010, 06:28 AM
Yeah, shame to see you go. I thought your help here and at the NaviX forums (that I read) was great. There are some "unappreciative" ones out there. ;)

Also, a job is important, so focus on that and maybe a comeback of sorts can be worked out. ;)

Mamba
July 6th, 2010, 09:27 AM
Thanks for the update Bill, and best of luck with the job hunt. Times are tight but a good friend just found a great job after 2 months of looking. Hope you fare as well or better. Keep in touch!

delavoie
July 20th, 2010, 09:41 AM
When can we expect a update for Navi-X?

Mamba
July 20th, 2010, 10:12 AM
>update for Navi-X?

I was just looking over their forum and couldn't find anything recent, but then their Search function tends to return random mixed date messages so it's hard to tell. But I'm think'n IronBill was our "champion" there and with him gone... :(

iRoNBiLL
July 21st, 2010, 03:22 PM
Hey Peeps,

Still looking for a job but figured I'd stop by the Boxee forums to see whats up. If you all are looking for updates, you would be better off e-mailing the head of the project, Rodejo.

His e-mail address is rodejo16@gmail.com (mailto:rodejo16@gmail.com)

If you really want to make an impact or get Navi-X feedback from the source, contact Rodejo with questions or comments regarding Navi-X. Sometimes, he's swamped with work, so give him a little time please. He always has an open ear for new ideas and improvements as well.

Will keep in touch between job searches. :D

Regards,

iRoNBiLL

judgeschambers
July 21st, 2010, 07:32 PM
Hey Peeps,

Still looking for a job but figured I'd stop by the Boxee forums to see whats up. If you all are looking for updates, you would be better off e-mailing the head of the project, Rodejo.

His e-mail address is rodejo16@gmail.com

If you really want to make an impact or get Navi-X feedback from the source, contact Rodejo with questions or comments regarding Navi-X. Sometimes, he's swamped with work, so give him a little time please. He always has an open ear for new ideas and improvements as well.

Will keep in touch between job searches. :D

Regards,

iRoNBiLL

Thanks for checking in and the updated contact, Bill. :cool:

gmd024
July 21st, 2010, 09:03 PM
Hey Peeps,

Still looking for a job but figured I'd stop by the Boxee forums to see whats up. If you all are looking for updates, you would be better off e-mailing the head of the project, Rodejo.

His e-mail address is rodejo16@gmail.com (mailto:rodejo16@gmail.com)

If you really want to make an impact or get Navi-X feedback from the source, contact Rodejo with questions or comments regarding Navi-X. Sometimes, he's swamped with work, so give him a little time please. He always has an open ear for new ideas and improvements as well.

Will keep in touch between job searches. :D

Regards,

iRoNBiLL

Thanks for checking in Bill --- You will always be considered a great contributor to Boxee - considering how you kept us all updated on the NAVI-X App (which happens to be on the top of my Fav's List)

Good luck on your quest -- and please check back frequently

CYA later

bmoura
July 21st, 2010, 11:10 PM
Hey Peeps,

Still looking for a job but figured I'd stop by the Boxee forums to see whats up. If you all are looking for updates, you would be better off e-mailing the head of the project, Rodejo.

His e-mail address is rodejo16@gmail.com (mailto:rodejo16@gmail.com)

If you really want to make an impact or get Navi-X feedback from the source, contact Rodejo with questions or comments regarding Navi-X. Sometimes, he's swamped with work, so give him a little time please. He always has an open ear for new ideas and improvements as well.

Will keep in touch between job searches. :D

Regards,

iRoNBiLL

Good to hear from you Bill. Navi-X for Boxee has made a splash to be sure. Looking forward to Rodejo's next release.

frankboxeetv
July 22nd, 2010, 12:46 PM
Hopefully I could find time to update the app soon. What are the most pressing features that should be added? I'm thinking the ability to use the ESC/Back key to go to the previous list instead of using the Back button in app. Anything else? I'm the author of the Navi-X app for Boxee.

cdracingzx6r
July 25th, 2010, 06:07 PM
Been using it for the last few hours... It's awesome. Thanks for all the hard work!

bmoura
July 27th, 2010, 05:30 AM
Hopefully I could find time to update the app soon. What are the most pressing features that should be added? I'm thinking the ability to use the ESC/Back key to go to the previous list instead of using the Back button in app. Anything else? I'm the author of the Navi-X app for Boxee.

I'd agree - that's certainly # 1.

Mamba
August 10th, 2010, 09:18 PM
Thanks for checking in Frank; making the navigation more "Boxee like" is probably #1 for sure. Someway to bookmark favorites when you find a link you want to return to later would be great too.

aiiee
August 10th, 2010, 10:20 PM
So far I've looked at CBS Nightly News ( latest is from 9/21/09!) and 20/20 ( no audio ) . Maybe I'll look some more, maybe not.

judgeschambers
August 10th, 2010, 10:42 PM
So far I've looked at CBS Nightly News ( latest is from 9/21/09!) and 20/20 ( no audio ) . Maybe I'll look some more, maybe not.

I just played CBS Nighly News 8/9/10 and and 20/20 and both played fine on my machines.

aiiee
August 10th, 2010, 11:12 PM
I just played CBS Nighly News 8/9/10 and and 20/20 and both played fine on my machines.

I apparently have audio *issues*. Sound is fine in everything except Navi-X and Revision3. No sound in *anything* in Revision3 and sound is ok in *everything* else! Any guidance Judges?

And re Navi-X: I have no clue how to navigate that thing, the latest CBS News I saw was from 9/21/09.....:confused:

EDIT: Sound is just oddly low in audio, much more so than anything else. ah well, I'll just wait it out it will probably change on it's own.

delavoie
August 11th, 2010, 08:28 AM
I also would love to have a bookmark feature within Navi-X.. there's so much awesome stuff on Navi-X, but to try and find it again can take awhile.
Also it would be nice if you could hit back, and it would go back, instead of kicking you out of the app.

gmd024
August 11th, 2010, 09:29 AM
Not sure if you realize that NAVI-X has a back button - it's the ( < ) button up on the top let of the NAVI-X navigation window

I have the same problem with CBS Evening News - the only content available to choose is from April through September 2009 - it's been that way for me since NAVI-X for Boxee was released in May - and it's the same for me in XBMC

aiiee
August 11th, 2010, 09:48 AM
Not sure if you realize that NAVI-X has a back button - it's the ( < ) button up on the top let of the NAVI-X navigation window

I have the same problem with CBS Evening News - the only content available to choose is from April through September 2009 - it's been that way for me since NAVI-X for Boxee was released in May - and it's the same for me in XBMC

Right! So how does Judges get it from 8/9/2010? We may never know.... :p

gmd024
August 11th, 2010, 10:41 AM
Right! So how does Judges get it from 8/9/2010? We may never know.... :p

Not sure!!

I've considered removing the NAVI-X from Boxees' Repo. and reloading it but just haven't got around to trying that yet -- I get the most current CBS Ev News from PlayOn and can access it from a few different devices on my network including from Boxee via UPnP so it's not at the top of my "issues to fix" list - :p

darcilicious
August 11th, 2010, 11:00 AM
I haven't run Navi-X in ages but I see 8/11/2010 entries in CNN: U.S. and the episode listing for 20/20 in Navi-X matches the one here: http://www.yidio.com/show/20-20 (most recent from 8/6/2010).

I get to both of these via Navi-X Networks Portal / TV Shows / News

aiiee
August 11th, 2010, 11:20 AM
I haven't run Navi-X in ages but I see 8/11/2010 entries in CNN: U.S. and the episode listing for 20/20 in Navi-X matches the one here: http://www.yidio.com/show/20-20 (most recent from 8/6/2010).

I get to both of these via Navi-X Networks Portal / TV Shows / News

thanks. I only noticed the stale content on CBS Evening News. I'm having other issues so I uninstalled Navi-X for now. Didn't see much that seemed to work correctly for me, maybe will try again after I get my Revision3 sound issues fixed. I have to max out the volume to hear it at all and everything else, apps, movies, shows, etc, is not that way at all. Guess I'll make a new post pretty soon if I can't get it sorted out by myself.

darcilicious
August 11th, 2010, 11:25 AM
Not sure if this applies but I found that my lack of audio on Hulu videos via Boxee was due to the fact that I had watched Hulu via Firefox and turned the volume down on that player. Once I went back to Firefox and turned the volume back up on a Hulu video, I had volume in Boxee for Hulu videos... Something similar for R3 perhaps?

aiiee
August 11th, 2010, 11:38 AM
Not sure if this applies but I found that my lack of audio on Hulu videos via Boxee was due to the fact that I had watched Hulu via Firefox and turned the volume down on that player. Once I went back to Firefox and turned the volume back up on a Hulu video, I had volume in Boxee for Hulu videos... Something similar for R3 perhaps?

heh. I went in Hulu both in browser and desktop, Rev3 sounded fine. Everything sounded fine. Went back in Boxee and now *nothing* has sound :rolleyes: No event sounds nothing! No sense to it.

darcilicious
August 11th, 2010, 11:43 AM
Ouch. Try the audio settings, switching them back and forth (if you have a choice)? Turning nav sounds off and on?

aiiee
August 11th, 2010, 11:52 AM
Ouch. Try the audio settings, switching them back and forth (if you have a choice)? Turning nav sounds off and on?

ouch indeed, I had hit mute and forgot :mad: So, anyway, status quo, only Revision3 exhibits almost inaudible sound, and only in Boxee. Tried the hulu thing if I didn't mention it. I'm thinking a complete Boxeereinstall. Something got munged and it would probably take too long to find, at least for me . thanks anyway.

EDIT: Reinstall fixed it. Something Boxee didn't like about previous tweeks and edits I guess. As an aside, Boxee sure does leave a *lot* of stuff behind when you uninstall! I had to manually clean up about 80 mb of junk it didn't delete. Works good now though!

gmd024
August 11th, 2010, 04:38 PM
ouch indeed, I had hit mute and forgot :mad: So, anyway, status quo, only Revision3 exhibits almost inaudible sound, and only in Boxee. Tried the hulu thing if I didn't mention it. I'm thinking a complete Boxeereinstall. Something got munged and it would probably take too long to find, at least for me . thanks anyway.

EDIT: Reinstall fixed it. Something Boxee didn't like about previous tweeks and edits I guess. As an aside, Boxee sure does leave a *lot* of stuff behind when you uninstall! I had to manually clean up about 80 mb of junk it didn't delete. Works good now though!

Did the CBS Ev News update with the reinstall

aiiee
August 11th, 2010, 04:57 PM
Did the CBS Ev News update with the reinstall

No. Now I am going thru navi-etreme>site scrapers>CBS>Primetime>CBS Evening News, which may be totally wrong. But I don't see any other way to view content.

If I try to view anyone's playlist, for instance HBO Lucky Louie, it goes to the epi list, then the orange squares flash for awhile, then stop, then nothing.

Huh, I just tried Curb Your Enthusiasm Season 3 epi ? and it worked. Why do some work and not others and am I accessing content correctly for Navi-X?

gmd024
August 11th, 2010, 05:03 PM
No. Now I am going thru navi-etreme>site scrapers>CBS>Primetime>CBS Evening News, which may be totally wrong. But I don't see any other way to view content.

If I try to view anyone's playlist, for instance HBO Lucky Louie, it goes to the epi list, then the orange squares flash for awhile, then stop, then nothing.

I get there via... NAVI-Xs network portal/TV Shows/CBS/Primetime or All Shows/CBS Ev. News

But I doubt it will make a difference

aiiee
August 11th, 2010, 05:19 PM
I get there via... NAVI-Xs network portal/TV Shows/CBS/Primetime or All Shows/CBS Ev. News

But I doubt it will make a difference

Which is why I'm installing an OTA antenna next week :D

judgeschambers
August 11th, 2010, 05:41 PM
Orange dots make me think DX update depending upon the OS.

NaviX is not usually the issue but rather the source if it's not direct. There can be delays during heavy server loads with movies.

My CBS was a feed I found and there are many ways to find the same show but from different sources too. ;).

aiiee
August 11th, 2010, 06:23 PM
My CBS was a feed I found and there are many ways to find the same show but from different sources too. ;).

Right, tvpc.com is one, but you didn't find it in Navi-X did you? If so , where?


EDIT: Well I'm watching CBS Evening News now, from San Francisco, and I'm in MI:D, but I guess we're keeping our sources secret so, no soup for you!

iRoNBiLL
August 19th, 2010, 12:46 PM
Aiiee, I'm having troubles understanding the issue you are having. If you could do me a favor and go to http://navix.turner3d.net/forums to post details about it, either one of our experienced members or development team can help you resolve the issue.

Navi-X is not rocket science, but if you head over to our forums, someone will figure this out for you.

iRoNBiLL

judgeschambers
August 19th, 2010, 07:10 PM
Bill,

Sometimes I can find multiple and different sources for the same titles. Which is what I think he's found. He mentioned all he could find are older sources of the news, when in fact, the daily feed link is available too. ;)

Honestly, I just don't have time to help with NaviX. It's not that intuitive to navigate sometimes, so you just have to put in the time and tinker around to get your bearings. :cool:

iRoNBiLL
August 20th, 2010, 03:24 PM
Thanks for the explanation JudgeChambers. As for helping people understand the "little things" in Navi-X, don't worry about this. This is why we have our own little community of people at http://navix.turner3d.net/forums for... to help people understand what they are seeing and doing in the application. I don't expect you or anyone else here to carry this burden on your backs... I couldn't do it anymore at one point as well so I understand thorougly what you are saying :D

*** Also great news on the Navi-X front people... looks like JimQode over at Navi-X forums has figured out a fix for the infamous "back button" issue everyone has been so kind to point out, again and again lol!! Frank and JimQode are in the process now of trying to merge this code with Frank's update for text, image, rss and introducing brand new web page support!! We should be seeing the official 1.0 version for Boxee available soon! Thanks to the both of these people for their contributions and support!! Keep you all posted on their progress!

iRoNBiLL

bmoura
August 20th, 2010, 10:13 PM
*** Also great news on the Navi-X front people... looks like JimQode over at Navi-X forums has figured out a fix for the infamous "back button" issue everyone has been so kind to point out, again and again lol!! Frank and JimQode are in the process now of trying to merge this code with Frank's update for text, image, rss and introducing brand new web page support!! We should be seeing the official 1.0 version for Boxee available soon! Thanks to the both of these people for their contributions and support!! Keep you all posted on their progress!

iRoNBiLL

That is good news! Look forward to seeing Navi-X 1.0 for Boxee soon.

judgeschambers
August 20th, 2010, 10:33 PM
Excellent news for all that's coming in 1.0!!:D

iRoNBiLL
August 22nd, 2010, 03:11 PM
Navi-X for Boxee 1.0 has been released!!!

Updates include...

- Back button fix, resolving exiting issues.
- Support for text, images and now new webpage support.
HTML items will open in Boxee browser instead of error message.

What still does not work?
Downloads and downloading... everything else should open fine now in Navi-X!

Navi-X Official Repository
http://www.navi-x.org/boxee

Add the repository inside of Boxee's apps and take it for a spin today!!

iRoNBiLL

P.S. As a side note, anything in Navi-X that has no icon next to it will still not open... this is expected. Because people sometimes put playlist notes directly in their own playlists, these items are nothing more than labels in the body of the playlist, not actual playable items... in case someone runs into unplayable items, now you know. :D

boxee54
August 22nd, 2010, 03:37 PM
If you have the old version installed already, how to upgrade to this new version? Thanks

gmd024
August 22nd, 2010, 04:00 PM
If you have the old version installed already, how to upgrade to this new version? Thanks

I just added the new Repo link to Boxees repo and it overrode the prev ver. of NAVI-X to ver 1.0

frankboxeetv
August 22nd, 2010, 04:22 PM
If you have the old version installed already, how to upgrade to this new version? Thanks

Since Boxee doesn't auto-update apps from 3rd party repositories, you have to remove the app (Select "Remove from my apps") and add it again.

I also noticed that html items such as in NASA->NASA Breaking News didn't work until I restarted Boxee.

That should do the trick!

judgeschambers
August 22nd, 2010, 04:39 PM
Boxee does auto update third party apps. My own apps auto update when I make changes just fine. Boxee does this when you restart it. ;)

Now, if the repo address changes, then no...how could it auto update? It can't cause boxee was not told the repo address changed.

In the case of NaviX, if you have vs .9 installed from old URL repo address...and then the new 1.0 is from a new url address...and you install 1.0...then it should update the old .9. This is because the app file names are the same.

gmd024
August 22nd, 2010, 04:46 PM
iRoNBiLL mentioned the backbutton works now

The backbutton "In" NAVI-X has always worked for me - so I assume he meant the backbutton on my keyboard, but hitting the back button on the keyboard still bumps me out of NAVI-X and back the the start/NAVI-X button

Anyone else experiencing this also?

judgeschambers
August 22nd, 2010, 04:56 PM
Well, the right mouse key is what I've always used and it would kick you out of Navi. It does not do that now.

I thought the Esc key would kick you too and was not supposed to. I forget now on that one.

gmd024
August 22nd, 2010, 05:22 PM
Well, the right mouse key is what I've always used and it would kick you out of Navi. It does not do that now.

I thought the Esc key would kick you too and was not supposed to. I forget now on that one.

So does iRoNBiLL mean the backbutton on your keyboard - or the back button ( < ) in the NAVI-X/Boxees' GUI ?? :confused:

Guess I'm still a little confused - if you hit the backspace button on your keyboard while in NAVI-X - what happens

aiiee
August 22nd, 2010, 05:27 PM
Right mouse works correctly, takes you back. Streaming is for sh*t. But so is Revision 3, who knows if it's source or Boxee?

EDIT: Right mouse does NOT take you back in all instances, seems hit or miss. meh.

iRoNBiLL
August 22nd, 2010, 05:30 PM
What I mean by the "back button" is as follows:

Hitting backspace or escape or right clicking in Navi-X 0.9 for Boxee used to make you exit Navi-X immediately... now it does not. Instead, you will go back one playlist until you hit the main portal menu for Navi-X... then if you hit backspace, escape or right click, ONLY then will you exit Navi-X.

Downside is you can't exit Navi-X instantly... maybe if downloading ever gets implemented, well also throw an exit button in a sub-menu somewhere, but for now, it will no longer just kick you out of the app when pressing these keys.

No, I am not referring to the < arrow inside Navi-X...

iRoNBiLL

iRoNBiLL
August 22nd, 2010, 05:33 PM
Aiiee,

What are you referring to as "Streaming is for sh*t"?? What does not stream well for you... I can tell you now I have been testing the latest Navi-X thoroughly and I have no troubles streaming content. Sometimes movie streaming sites buffer like crazy, but this is to be expected on the weekends unfortunately.

Let me know what's not working for you and I will attempt to give you a rational explanation. Thanks.

iRoNBiLL

nuggyblake
August 22nd, 2010, 06:12 PM
Aiiee,

What are you referring to as "Streaming is for sh*t"?? What does not stream well for you... I can tell you now I have been testing the latest Navi-X thoroughly and I have no troubles streaming content. Sometimes movie streaming sites buffer like crazy, but this is to be expected on the weekends unfortunately.

Let me know what's not working for you and I will attempt to give you a rational explanation. Thanks.

iRoNBiLL

Thanks Bill, the best app in Boxee and plug-in/script in XBMC ! :D

PS: JC is bang on, it auto updated for me on my MBpro, Mini and ATV.

synaesthesia
August 22nd, 2010, 07:24 PM
Aiiee,

What are you referring to as "Streaming is for sh*t"?? What does not stream well for you... I can tell you now I have been testing the latest Navi-X thoroughly and I have no troubles streaming content. Sometimes movie streaming sites buffer like crazy, but this is to be expected on the weekends unfortunately.

Let me know what's not working for you and I will attempt to give you a rational explanation. Thanks.

iRoNBiLL

Hello IronBill,

I would like to thank you but also provide some specific examples of major streaming problems I have had all week.

I am new to Navix but I have had multiple problems playing many movies and TV shows. Not saying it is NAvi's issue but I would like some clarification and also some suggestions to fix on my end.

I think one of the major source problems are media coming from the http:/./videofriender.com sources.

These specific examples below just buffer lige crazy. The grey buffer will grow but once I hit play it goes back and plays for a few sec or minute and then just buffers again. It has really been unwachable for me.

I am running Boxee, just tried these now on NAvi 1.0 and like I said have been having problems all week with these at different times.

Running Boxee Beta on an Acer Revo 3620, wired internet connection. JMy download spead from Speakeasy is usually at 7-12 Mbps

Navi expreme portal/Most-viewed lists of the last 7 days/iRonBiLL's Movies/Barman Begins

Navi expreme portal/Most-viewed lists of the last 7 days/HBO/The Pacific/Part 1 orany other Part as well

Navi expreme portal/Most-viewed lists of the last 7 days/HBO/Entourage/Season4/So4E10

Does anyone have any suggestions for me?

Thanks

gmd024
August 22nd, 2010, 07:26 PM
:DThanks Bill, the best app in Boxee and plug-in/script in XBMC ! :D

PS: JC is bang on, it auto updated for me on my MBpro, Mini and ATV.

I should have let it update 'bcz I just had to un/re-install Boxee -- something must have corrupted 'bcz it was not functioning well at all

After the re-install - the back button (on my k-brd) is now working as it's supposed to - and no other issues have occured

And - no buffering on a few of the 'new today' movies in 'justme4u2c' over a 5MB down cable connection - I'm all :D's again

The Box'e Rox

:)

synaesthesia
August 22nd, 2010, 08:20 PM
Hello IronBill,

To contribute to Aiee's comments above,

I would like to thank you but also provide some specific examples of major streaming problems I have had all week.

I am new to Navix but I have had multiple problems playing many movies and TV shows. Not saying it is NAvi's issue but I would like some clarification and also some suggestions to fix on my end.

I think one of the major source problems are media coming from the http:/./videofriender.com sources.

These specific examples below just buffer lige crazy. The grey buffer will grow but once I hit play it goes back and plays for a few sec or minute and then just buffers again. It has really been unwachable for me.

I am running Boxee, just tried these now on NAvi 1.0 and like I said have been having problems all week with these at different times.

Running Boxee Beta on an Acer Revo 3620, wired internet connection. My download spead from Speakeasy is usually at 7-12 Mbps, and am in the northeast US.

Navi expreme portal/Most-viewed lists of the last 7 days/iRonBiLL's Movies/Batman Begins

Navi expreme portal/Most-viewed lists of the last 7 days/HBO/The Pacific/Part 1 or any other Part as well

Navi expreme portal/Most-viewed lists of the last 7 days/HBO/Entourage/Season4/So4E10

Does anyone have any suggestions for me?

Thanks

judgeschambers
August 22nd, 2010, 08:26 PM
Right mouse works correctly, takes you back. Streaming is for sh*t. But so is Revision 3, who knows if it's source or Boxee?

EDIT: Right mouse does NOT take you back in all instances, seems hit or miss. meh.

The Source, your ISP speed and hardware can cause playback issues. Revision 3 app works fine and dandy on my Revo's and three other PC's in my home. Flawless streaming of HD Nation and digg nation. So, it's not the app and it's not the source and it's not Boxee...at least on all my Revo's and other PC's in the house.

NaviX does have some high buffer issues, but that's not the app but rather the heavy demand upon the source servers streaming the video. Too many people hitting the same movies at one time. So, not the app, boxee or hardware on my machines. But rather the source servers.

So with one of your mentioned sources (revision 3) I have perfect playback and the other source (navi) we have the same results. Both outlined per above.

On Navi, try a video that is a year or two old from the same source. See if it plays fine.

aiiee
August 22nd, 2010, 10:48 PM
The Source, your ISP speed and hardware can cause playback issues. Revision 3 app works fine and dandy on my Revo's and three other PC's in my home. Flawless streaming of HD Nation and digg nation. So, it's not the app and it's not the source and it's not Boxee...at least on all my Revo's and other PC's in the house.

NaviX does have some high buffer issues, but that's not the app but rather the heavy demand upon the source servers streaming the video. Too many people hitting the same movies at one time. So, not the app, boxee or hardware on my machines. But rather the source servers.

So with one of your mentioned sources (revision 3) I have perfect playback and the other source (navi) we have the same results. Both outlined per above.

On Navi, try a video that is a year or two old from the same source. See if it plays fine.

Yeah, Revision 3 is a real puzzle. It was working fine until a day or so ago, now it will not ever play to the end. Other TV Shows play fine, but it seems like all apps are kinda fluged. I ran Speedtest. At first I got horrible DL times then I noticed that the back lower corner, where the wifi antenna is ( interesting design choice ) , was blocked by the corner of the TV. Moved the Revo so it was butt forward and in line of sight with the router ( repeater ) and back to full speed DL, which should have been enough to bring Tekzilla back to life, but not so. It was still failing to make it through even one episode. Other streaming, even 1080p :eek:, was OK, if I let it buffer first, but not Revision 3. No amount of waiting allowed it to complete. It seems to be limited to apps, namely Navi-X and Revision 3, but you also have problems with Navi-X :confused:. I am going to go check some other apps and see if I can find a common thread. This is not making sense to me yet.

aiiee
August 22nd, 2010, 10:52 PM
Aiiee,

What are you referring to as "Streaming is for sh*t"?? What does not stream well for you... I can tell you now I have been testing the latest Navi-X thoroughly and I have no troubles streaming content. Sometimes movie streaming sites buffer like crazy, but this is to be expected on the weekends unfortunately.

Let me know what's not working for you and I will attempt to give you a rational explanation. Thanks.

iRoNBiLL

Yeah, I am not sure what is going on yet. Both Navi-X and another app based stream are refusing to stream, and yet my DL speed is OK, and other streams like Hulu and CBS, in the TV Shows area, are as they always were.

After hearing from Judges and others, I'm not sure what is going on now. I have to try some other apps to see if they exhibit common behavior and try to get to some common cause. :(

And I was trying to stream "Breaking Bad", found thru Navi-X Extreme search I believe. It just would not run more than a couple seconds at a time, and then it eventually timed out.

EDIT: OK, *NOW* Revision 3 is fine :rolleyes:, Navi-X still not able to stream ( Breaking Bad as noted above )

judgeschambers
August 22nd, 2010, 11:18 PM
Yeah, Revision 3 is a real puzzle. It was working fine until a day or so ago, now it will not ever play to the end. Other TV Shows play fine, but it seems like all apps are kinda fluged. I ran Speedtest. At first I got horrible DL times then I noticed that the back lower corner, where the wifi antenna is ( interesting design choice ) , was blocked by the corner of the TV. Moved the Revo so it was butt forward and in line of sight with the router ( repeater ) and back to full speed DL, which should have been enough to bring Tekzilla back to life, but not so. It was still failing to make it through even one episode. Other streaming, even 1080p :eek:, was OK, if I let it buffer first, but not Revision 3. No amount of waiting allowed it to complete. It seems to be limited to apps, namely Navi-X and Revision 3, but you also have problems with Navi-X :confused:. I am going to go check some other apps and see if I can find a common thread. This is not making sense to me yet.

As I mentioned, the NaviX issues we are all having are not NaviX related, but rather the source of the video----VideoFriender.com and the HUGE demand that newer movies are putting on their servers. Too many people trying to watch the same movies at once. Maybe the same for Revision 3?

Besides, anytime we throw wifi at video streaming...I don't care how much bandwidth you have....it can be a major source of issues. But, remember last week when you and I covered this? I was able to stream no problem with my revo, but I have great "line of sight" with my router. ;) Besides, didn't you say your DL speed was under 2 mb???

So, this is not an app issue, but rather a source issue with the host servers.....

aiiee
August 22nd, 2010, 11:38 PM
As I mentioned, the NaviX issues we are all having are not NaviX related, but rather the source of the video----VideoFriender.com and the HUGE demand that newer movies are putting on their servers. Too many people trying to watch the same movies at once. Maybe the same for Revision 3?

Besides, anytime we throw wifi at video streaming...I don't care how much bandwidth you have....it can be a major source of issues. But, remember last week when you and I covered this? I was able to stream no problem with my revo, but I have great "line of sight" with my router. ;) Besides, didn't you say your DL speed was under 2 mb???

So, this is not an app issue, but rather a source issue with the host servers.....

Yes, wifi can be an issue, but I checked the DL speed and it was "ok" (2.3 Mb/s) and sufficient for Rev3 last week. It was the sudden degradation that was puzzling , when all other things were equal, or so it appeared to me, thus my query if anyone else was having problems. And yes, app issue or server issue, it's outside my control....:cool:

iRoNBiLL
August 23rd, 2010, 12:03 PM
Well good news for you... looks like Revision3 works just fine for me... tested it on 2 computers this morning... NO PROBLEMS.

Whatever the issue is, it is definitely not a problem with Navi-X or Boxee.

It's definitely not a problem with Revision3 servers either cause I didn't buffer even once during playback, indicating solid connectivity and transfer...

I conclude it has something to do with your wireless setup. It's the only other suspect in this equation which I have not replicated in my troubleshooting, so it's the only other possible problem.

These issues can be tricky because there can also be intermittent connectivity or bandwidth troubles when utilizing wireless setups. I know cause I've worked with a few ISP's and have had to troubleshoot these scenarios before for people to get internet working in their house.

Sometimes people put the router or repeater in the same room, too close at times for computers to establish an effective connection to their wireless repeaters or routers... sometimes even putting the router and pc so close together, people think this is acceptable when it is in fact not. A little distance between wireless equipment is a healthy thing and resolves many connectivity issues. Sometimes, an old fashioned street light outside (mercury bulbs) emit EMP and can cause connectivity problems via wifi.

I'm not going to assume anything, but I can tell you this... this problem does not happen for me when trying to replicate it and it does for you... this is only a problem you are having and this is typically an indication of an issue with your wireless networking setup... what it is could be one of many things, but this is where you should spend your time trying to remedy the issue.

Think wireless setup is not the problem?? Try hooking your setup back in with wires and see if performance changes... then well know for sure if your wireless is a factor or not. If using wires does not remedy the issue, it is a problem with your internet connection setup (long cables, static on modem lines, etc.). If using wires does remedy the issue, it is an issue with wireless setup. Contact the router or repeater manufacturer for configuring router correctly and troubleshooting.

iRoNBiLL

aiiee
August 23rd, 2010, 02:33 PM
Well good news for you... looks like Revision3 works just fine for me... tested it on 2 computers this morning... NO PROBLEMS.

Whatever the issue is, it is definitely not a problem with Navi-X or Boxee.

It's definitely not a problem with Revision3 servers either cause I didn't buffer even once during playback, indicating solid connectivity and transfer...

I conclude it has something to do with your wireless setup. It's the only other suspect in this equation which I have not replicated in my troubleshooting, so it's the only other possible problem.

These issues can be tricky because there can also be intermittent connectivity or bandwidth troubles when utilizing wireless setups. I know cause I've worked with a few ISP's and have had to troubleshoot these scenarios before for people to get internet working in their house.

Sometimes people put the router or repeater in the same room, too close at times for computers to establish an effective connection to their wireless repeaters or routers... sometimes even putting the router and pc so close together, people think this is acceptable when it is in fact not. A little distance between wireless equipment is a healthy thing and resolves many connectivity issues. Sometimes, an old fashioned street light outside (mercury bulbs) emit EMP and can cause connectivity problems via wifi.

I'm not going to assume anything, but I can tell you this... this problem does not happen for me when trying to replicate it and it does for you... this is only a problem you are having and this is typically an indication of an issue with your wireless networking setup... what it is could be one of many things, but this is where you should spend your time trying to remedy the issue.

Think wireless setup is not the problem?? Try hooking your setup back in with wires and see if performance changes... then well know for sure if your wireless is a factor or not. If using wires does not remedy the issue, it is a problem with your internet connection setup (long cables, static on modem lines, etc.). If using wires does remedy the issue, it is an issue with wireless setup. Contact the router or repeater manufacturer for configuring router correctly and troubleshooting.

iRoNBiLL

Thanks, but Rev3 works fine for me now too. By the time you all had looked at it, it was functional again. Try to look at it more often ok? :D And I wasn't saying your app was bad, I have no clue what causes things beyond my four walls, I was just inquiring to see if anyone else had problems, to see if the problem was indeed with my system. It's very inconsistent, but the problem does seem to lie elsewhere, as my wireless streamed local content and other sites fine. And that's what mystifies me, sometimes everything streams fairly well, sometimes it's sh*t, and I cannot tell if it's me or not. Therefore, sometimes I'll post my problems and see if anyone else is experiencing similar issues.

Thanks for the info re wireless, I did not know all of that.

judgeschambers
August 23rd, 2010, 10:33 PM
Well, aiiee and I covered the whole wifi issue potential in another thread and found he had short comings, so I was sorta confused to see it all come up again here.

Like I mentioned in that post and Bill confirms; wifi is the root of most video streaming issues. ...period. Even though I have a great signal on my Revo, and during the testing I did with ya on the original thread I streamed HD perfectly....I would not bet on it always doing so. That's why I go wired.

Anytime someone says, "I'm getting spotty playback of video." The first thing I ask is, "are you running wifi?" Invariably it is met with, "I have a killer signal and it can't be the problem!" Guess what? It usually is the problem. :p

Anyway, glad we got to the bottom of this all. :cool:

iRoNBiLL
August 24th, 2010, 01:28 AM
Good stuff. Nice to see the internet working again. No problems about "knocking the app"... I wasn't really looking at it like that, but it's all good now for you hopefully. :D

iRoNBiLL

aiiee
August 24th, 2010, 03:15 AM
Well, aiiee and I covered the whole wifi issue potential in another thread and found he had short comings, so I was sorta confused to see it all come up again here.

Like I mentioned in that post and Bill confirms; wifi is the root of most video streaming issues. ...period. Even though I have a great signal on my Revo, and during the testing I did with ya on the original thread I streamed HD perfectly....I would not bet on it always doing so. That's why I go wired.

Anytime someone says, "I'm getting spotty playback of video." The first thing I ask is, "are you running wifi?" Invariably it is met with, "I have a killer signal and it can't be the problem!" Guess what? It usually is the problem. :p



Anyway, glad we got to the bottom of this all. :cool:

I was talking about something else this time. I don't know how to make it any clearer than it is now though...

If you think I'm repeating myself, just ignore me, I won't mind... :)

judgeschambers
August 24th, 2010, 05:52 AM
No biggie...just wrapping it up. :cool:

boxee54
August 26th, 2010, 10:41 PM
Regret to upgrade it; now youtube on navi-x doesn't work anymore. Clicking any folders with no video to stream. Anyone has that problem?

darcilicious
August 26th, 2010, 10:49 PM
I see the same thing. You probably need to wander over the Navi-X forums and let them know...

frankboxeetv
August 26th, 2010, 11:33 PM
Regret to upgrade it; now youtube on navi-x doesn't work anymore. Clicking any folders with no video to stream. Anyone has that problem?

It doesn't work in Navi-X 3.4.1 for XBMC either. A fix is probably needed there and then ported to the Boxee version. version 3.4.2 is for XBMC Dharma and doesn't modify the scraping in a way that would fix the lack of results.

Right now
Navi-Xtreme Media Portal -> Search -> Youtube (with processor) still works.

boxee54
August 29th, 2010, 06:33 PM
Regret to upgrade it; now youtube on navi-x doesn't work anymore. Clicking any folders with no video to stream. Anyone has that problem?
Youtube on navi-x is fixed now.

frankboxeetv
August 29th, 2010, 08:15 PM
Youtube on navi-x is fixed now.

Yes it is. The change was made on the navi-x website. Youtube results are now rss feeds so the Navi-X app can play them. Previously, it's the app that was doing html scraping on it's own so changes to the youtube website broke youtube on navi-x.

This is one of the big strengths of Navi-X: Most of the tricky stuff (scraping and processing) are done by the navi-x server or by the app, using instructions provided by the server. This way, no change is needed to the app code for most of the problems that can happen. Youtube was an exception to this rule: the youtube scraping code is in the app. But now that youtube videos are provided as rss feeds, the broken scraping code is not used anymore.

robmeer
August 31st, 2010, 02:41 PM
...This is one of the big strengths of Navi-X: Most of the tricky stuff (scraping and processing) are done by the navi-x server or by the app, using instructions provided by the server...

Here's another 'tricky stuff' problem. It seems the gamekings.tv video's no longer work. Well they do output video, but only the last one. And since gamekings.tv now seems to have an added ad after the main video (so 1 ad, main video, another ad), only the last ad is shown and no longer the main video. Could iRoNBiLL, or another dev possibly fix that? I kinda got used to using this awesome app to watch gamekings.tv (and lots of other ones).
Thanks in advance!

frankboxeetv
August 31st, 2010, 06:33 PM
Here's another 'tricky stuff' problem. It seems the gamekings.tv video's no longer work. Well they do output video, but only the last one. And since gamekings.tv now seems to have an added ad after the main video (so 1 ad, main video, another ad), only the last ad is shown and no longer the main video. Could iRoNBiLL, or another dev possibly fix that? I kinda got used to using this awesome app to watch gamekings.tv (and lots of other ones).
Thanks in advance!

You should report this on the NaviXtreme forum in this thread: http://navix.turner3d.net/forums/?action=topic_view&id=270

turner3d is the one responsible for the scrapers and most processors.

darukka
September 1st, 2010, 05:11 PM
If they improve the User Interface and make it more Boxee-like and add some more features, like a search function. Then it's definitely the best application for Boxee so far!

gmd024
September 1st, 2010, 06:09 PM
If they improve the User Interface and make it more Boxee-like and add some more features, like a search function. Then it's definitely the best application for Boxee so far!

There are search functions in Media Portal and the Network Portal of NAVI-X - not sure about the other sections of NAVI-X bcz I don't use them much

bmoura
September 2nd, 2010, 01:09 AM
If they improve the User Interface and make it more Boxee-like and add some more features, like a search function. Then it's definitely the best application for Boxee so far!

Be sure to see Frank's message above and make those feature requests on the Navi-X Forum !

iRoNBiLL
September 3rd, 2010, 01:08 PM
Gamekings.TV was reported in the Bug forums for Navi-X by Tikkiew... We already have search functions in Navi-X, under Navi-Xtreme, Search... Unless by Boxee-like, you mean we put up the Boxee icon in Navi-X or something, I don't know what you are asking for. Please be more specific about what you are requesting and I will make sure it gets passed along through the right channels. Thanks.

iRoNBiLL

tcchris
September 3rd, 2010, 03:53 PM
It would be nice if searches were saved like they are in xbmc .
Also in xbmc you can seek forward 10 minutes , but in Boxee that does not seem to work well .
I think those are probably Boxee limitations beyond your control , but I thought it worth mentioning .
Thanks for the great app !!

iRoNBiLL
September 5th, 2010, 12:46 AM
People have requested bookmarking before and from my understanding, these video osd controls are unavailable in XBMC for scripts for some reason... Boxee maybe a different story, but only Frank would know about this. If you could comment here Frank this would be awesome bro.

iRoNBiLL

frankboxeetv
September 5th, 2010, 08:42 AM
It would be nice if searches were saved like they are in xbmc .
Also in xbmc you can seek forward 10 minutes , but in Boxee that does not seem to work well .
I think those are probably Boxee limitations beyond your control , but I thought it worth mentioning .
Thanks for the great app !!

One big problem with the Boxee API in regards to Navi-X is the lack of a popup dialog function e.g. "Here are 5 options, choose one". Why Boxee wouldn't create one is beyond me. Navi-X for XBMC has many context menus for all sorts of features but they would be annoying to implement as new windows in the Boxee app rather than how they are coded for XBMC as menus. I personally don't like to fiddle with the GUI xml and my original goal for Navi-X for Boxee was simply to get all the media to play.

I now realize that the background downloader as well as other features are pretty integral to the Navi-X experience in XBMC but I'm personally not willing to do much more work on it (appart from bug fixes) until the Boxee API makes my life easier. I looked at the Plex API documentation, and Boxee should look at it for inspiration!

About the 10 minute seek: playback is solely the domain of Boxee, not the Navi-X app. Seeking in online streams (http) would have to be implemented.

coffee-turtle
September 5th, 2010, 09:26 AM
Just wanted to say thank you to IronBill and Frank for making this!

I will check it out later today and offer some feedback too.

coffee-turtle
September 6th, 2010, 12:02 AM
The Navi-X repository should work with the Boxee Box just the same, correct?

I assume repositories will be handled just like on a PC.

Thanks!

Navi-X adds so much more to Boxee, I wouldn't want to give any of it up when I transition to the Boxee Box.

judgeschambers
September 6th, 2010, 08:32 AM
The Navi-X repository should work with the Boxee Box just the same, correct?

I assume repositories will be handled just like on a PC.

Thanks!

Navi-X adds so much more to Boxee, I wouldn't want to give any of it up when I transition to the Boxee Box.

Don't see any reason it won't.

iRoNBiLL
September 6th, 2010, 01:20 PM
I would love to take all the credit for Navi-X, but I'm no programmer... I been helping the original developer for about 2 years now and it's been awesome to see Navi-X go where it was to where it is now. I just noticed how functional Navi-X was and told Rodejo I would do whatever I can to help give this puppy some wings. Then Turner came along and has been building bridges... also very helpful and dedicated people who joined Team Navi-X... the awesome users and contributors... it's been an awesome collaboration of whits from the very beginning... I'm just glad I stuck around to see it come to fruition. :D

After looking at AppleTV's very disappointing successor, I'm glad to know Boxee Box will save the day... and from what I have heard from staff, App functionality is expected to work just as well on Boxee Box as it does on my Windows PC. :D

Which I'm glad to know cause I planned on a shiny new box for Christmas this year, lol!

iRoNBiLL

major4b2
September 11th, 2010, 11:39 AM
Hi guys,

Have latest Beta 0.9.22.13692 installed as well as Navi-X. The aTV was factory reset / upgraded / aTV Flashed / Boxee installed.

Thx for Navi-XVery nice and a great solution but did have a few issues and wanted to see how i could correct them:

When i launch Navi-X - it can take a very long time to display the first menu screen. If i then exit and re-enter - it is immediate....

Navi-X Network Portal > Regional > UK
select nearly any item [including README] and get the following error:
"" is not a valid type
SkyNewsHeadlinesLQ eventually stalls and then hangs - requiring a hardboot

Anyway - apart from this [I love my News]

Question: is it possible to add additional streams:
i.e. rtsp://217.146.95.166:554/live/ch14k6qvga.3gp

Thx

M

frankboxeetv
September 12th, 2010, 12:34 AM
When i launch Navi-X - it can take a very long time to display the first menu screen. If i then exit and re-enter - it is immediate....

I noticed this too. I think it's normal since the first time the app loads, the python code needs to be compiled and there is more code than in most Boxee apps. The strange thing is that I don't remember this being that noticable with the previous version.


Navi-X Network Portal > Regional > UK
select nearly any item [including README] and get the following error:
"" is not a valid type


The "" is not a valid type message should be more helpful. The reason it does this for the readme item is that readme in this case is not a text file but just an item with a description (indicated by the ">" at the end). Press "right" to see the description.

This playlist is pretty broken. All the items below "not available anymore" are not actually videos but simply names with no links. They should probably be removed by whoever maintains this playlist.

You can see the source list here if you want to:
http://navix.turner3d.net/playlist/30811/united_kingdom.plx

There is another issue here as well. The Boxee version of Navi-X currently doesn't support the display of playlist description (that is the description of the playlist you are currently browsing). I should fix this... The description basically says that alot of the streams are broken.


SkyNewsHeadlinesLQ eventually stalls and then hangs - requiring a hardboot
Anyway - apart from this [I love my News]


This is a playback problem due to Boxee's support of mms streams being spotty. Technically, it's not a Navi-X issue.


Question: is it possible to add additional streams:
i.e. rtsp://217.146.95.166:554/live/ch14k6qvga.3gp


To create your own playlists you need to go to navix.turner3d.net and create an account, login, "Sync IP", create a playlist and add items to it. Then in Navi-X you will see "My Playlists"

That being said the stream you mention doesn't seem to be supported right now:
http://navix.turner3d.net/forums/?action=topic_view&id=622

major4b2
September 12th, 2010, 11:24 AM
many thanks for your reply.

I did play further yesterday with Navi-X and joined the Navi-X site to create a play list but the feeds i use with VLC [rtsp://217.146.95.166:554/live/ch11k6qvga.3gp] - all fail when trying to import.

i did try to rename them to MMS / http but same result.

I use the UKTV playlist from myP2P to watch BBC / ITV / Sky when traveling [or when the Sky plus box goes down.... like this weekend... grr] and in a perfect world - i could import this and watch from Navi-X

Thx anyway - any other ideas - i am all ears :-)

Br M

major4b2
September 12th, 2010, 01:49 PM
I played a little more with Boxee - in "my Apps". I select a video story in CNN, it goes through the motion of connecting with the animation of progress - then the progress bar freezes over a black screen. If i press play/Pause - i i can see the time line at the bottom moving as if it is streaming BUT... there is nothing playing / no audio. Did i forget to install something? Flash is installed using aTV - do i also need to install it in Boxee?

Is this a similar problem to the streaming in Navi-X?

Thx all

gmd024
September 12th, 2010, 02:05 PM
I played a little more with Boxee - in "my Apps". I select a video story in CNN, it goes through the motion of connecting with the animation of progress - then the progress bar freezes over a black screen. If i press play/Pause - i i can see the time line at the bottom moving as if it is streaming BUT... there is nothing playing / no audio. Did i forget to install something? Flash is installed using aTV - do i also need to install it in Boxee?

Is this a similar problem to the streaming in Navi-X?

Thx all

CNN seems fine to me in NAVI-X

There is a Boxee flash plugin - http://boxee.tv/flash

iRoNBiLL
September 13th, 2010, 12:50 PM
Major4b2,

As for the UK playlist in Navi-X, most streams are broken... someone in the UK stopped streaming these channels and now many do not work. The UK playlist has always been devastated by streams that die in days, not weeks. I would say if you want to build up this list, contact Tikkiew over at our forums and he can add links to streams in the official UK playlist for you.

As for the stream you listed, from my understanding, neither XBMC or Boxee support .3gp streams because it's a proprietary or just a cell phone format. Even though these streams open fine on mobile devices, I believe this was never added to the codec list for either projects. If someone has information contrary to this, please let me know.

"" is not a valid type error message... This happens when people use Navi-X tags improperly and decide to try and embed descriptions into the body of a playlist because they don't like how Navi-X currently displays (or doesn't display >Boxee<) a playlist description. Why people do this is beyond me... but you cannot play items like that. You can normally tell if the item is garbage if you do not see an icon on the left of it or just a black square. Avoid clicking those unless you want to see the annoying message again and again.

Also from my readings, Boxee on ATV runs really slow. I'm not going to say that for sure without trying, but I heard the little bit of memory on ATV makes running Boxee sluggish at best. If some other Boxee ATV users would like to report their experiences here, that would be awesome. Other then that, I can't explain all the slow loading and processing.

iRoNBiLL

rsriram22
September 14th, 2010, 10:31 PM
anyone know why "two and a half men" wont start/play in navi-x? in particular i am trying to play season 7, episode 1..

gmd024
September 15th, 2010, 10:52 AM
anyone know why "two and a half men" wont start/play in navi-x? in particular i am trying to play season 7, episode 1..

Plays fine for me by accessing it via NAVI-Xtreme Media Portal/Search/Search navi-xtreme then typing the name of the show in the search box -- Seasons 1 through 7 are availabe

I also had trouble trying to play S7 ep1 at first -- I see it's only available in HD and it seemed to be buffering way to long - I 'stopped' it and went to few other eps and came back to S7 ep1 and it played fine immediately

The video quality is great! (and audio too)

dadein
September 15th, 2010, 11:48 AM
Plays fine for me by accessing it via NAVI-Xtreme Media Portal/Search/Search navi-xtreme then typing the name of the show in the search box -- Seasons 1 through 7 are availabe

I also had trouble trying to play S7 ep1 at first -- I see it's only available in HD and it seemed to be buffering way to long - I 'stopped' it and went to few other eps and came back to S7 ep1 and it played fine immediately

The video quality is great! (and audio too)

Same results for me, too.

rsriram22
September 15th, 2010, 12:31 PM
Plays fine for me by accessing it via NAVI-Xtreme Media Portal/Search/Search navi-xtreme then typing the name of the show in the search box -- Seasons 1 through 7 are availabe

I also had trouble trying to play S7 ep1 at first -- I see it's only available in HD and it seemed to be buffering way to long - I 'stopped' it and went to few other eps and came back to S7 ep1 and it played fine immediately

The video quality is great! (and audio too)

I think i tried playing the non-HD ones (esp those without High Quality) in season7, and i dont think it worked - but will give it a try again -- thanks for the tip.

gmd024
September 15th, 2010, 01:11 PM
I think i tried playing the non-HD ones (esp those without High Quality) in season7, and i dont think it worked - but will give it a try again -- thanks for the tip.

Like I said it's working fine for me now

And it sounds like it is for dadein too

Remember - if it seems to buffer way to long at first -- 'stop' it and go to a couple different eps and play a few seconds of them - then go go back to S7 ep1 and it should work for you then - at least it did for me after doing what I just explained

good luck

rsriram22
September 16th, 2010, 09:25 AM
Yea - This works for me now. Thanks.. I can watch the S7 episodes
On a different note the workaround does not seem to work for S3 episodes.. any other workaround for S3 episodes?

tikkiew
September 16th, 2010, 11:21 AM
One big problem with the Boxee API in regards to Navi-X is the lack of a popup dialog function e.g. "Here are 5 options, choose one". Why Boxee wouldn't create one is beyond me. Navi-X for XBMC has many context menus for all sorts of features but they would be annoying to implement as new windows in the Boxee app rather than how they are coded for XBMC as menus. I personally don't like to fiddle with the GUI xml and my original goal for Navi-X for Boxee was simply to get all the media to play.

I now realize that the background downloader as well as other features are pretty integral to the Navi-X experience in XBMC but I'm personally not willing to do much more work on it (appart from bug fixes) until the Boxee API makes my life easier. I looked at the Plex API documentation, and Boxee should look at it for inspiration!


It seems the question stayed unanswered. If a popup dialag in the future be possible. Maybe it would be better to ask this on another topic. I would really like to know why. But seems more appropriate to asked by someone who actually knows what he/she is talking about and going to possible use it to create a popup dialag on a Boxee app.

gmd024
September 16th, 2010, 12:09 PM
Yea - This works for me now. Thanks.. I can watch the S7 episodes
On a different note the workaround does not seem to work for S3 episodes.. any other workaround for S3 episodes?

It seems as though most S/eps are now broke - I checked a few different ones and had issues with all

I let S1 ep1 buffer/fill the gray bar/time line all the way to the end and it then started to play OK - but after 1.5 minutes into the ep it froze and began to buffer again - I stopped it and backed out of the 2-1/2 men show

It seemed to work much better yesterday - hopefully someone at NAVI-X (or where ever the issue lies) will realize the issue and resolve it

iRoNBiLL - got anything to offer here?

dadein
September 16th, 2010, 12:51 PM
I believe the issue here is not so much Boxee or Navi-X, but the sources where the video is coming from. There are times when it works fine and then there are other times when it buffers more than it plays. For me, Navi-X works the same way on XBMC. ...it all depends on the load on the servers where the video is sourced.

iRoNBiLL
September 18th, 2010, 11:47 AM
Dadein... as usual, is correct. One of the most common misconceptions about Navi-X is that every source in Navi-X wouldn't be there if it wasn't working... this is not the case.

Remember, Navi-X works only when website content is working properly. If there is any troubles, we don't go testing everything like we used to in the past, because the conclusion we came to is that websites have a multitude of issues at different times of the day. Server maintenance, website changes, bandwidth bottlenecks... all are out of control of us! I wish we had the ability to control this but the fact is we do not run and maintain all the compatible websites listed in Navi-X, we just make them compatible to play in Navi-X. (By we, I mean pretty much Turner and JustMe4u2c)

Here is the easy way to think of Navi-X... it is a Media Browser... much like a web browser, if you click on a link and its bufferring alot, it's supposed to do the same in Navi-X... there is nothing magical about Navi-X that makes it work better or worse than a web browser... streaming experience is all dependent on the website you are streaming from. Clicking on a link in Navi-X is like clicking on a link to a website... once you click it, Navi-X has little to do with the website in questions ability to stream content.

While we appreciate people reporting what is or is not working, please keep in mind we typically do not research bufferring issues. There is way too many obstacles at hand in a users setup to really give attention to users who cannot at least install boxee and resolve issues with their own setup. Tikkiew however, over in our forums is still interested in running testing and getting feedback from users, so if you REALLY want to try and forge the river, check out our forums at Navi-Xtreme and see if Tikkiew will help you. As long as he doesn't pull his hair out and die, lay your questions on him.

iRoNBiLL

P.S. The only time we can resolve issues in Navi-X typically, is if someone notices links from a single website are no longer working in Navi-X, but others are still working fine in Navi-X... This would mean a website administrator has changed something on their website which has broken processor functionality in Navi-X. This is a very specific issue that occurs typically so make sure if you notice this, this gets reported here or even better... the Navi-Xtreme forums.

iRoNBiLL

jamessands
September 18th, 2010, 12:45 PM
can this work any where in the wold?

iRoNBiLL
September 18th, 2010, 12:51 PM
As long as a streaming website in Navi-X is not regionally blocking your country from viewing it's content, yes this works around the world. People in MANY different countries use Navi-X... from the US all the way down to very small countries.

iRoNBiLL

iRoNBiLL
September 18th, 2010, 12:53 PM
Hey Peeps,

It's me, the original creator of Navi-X Networks, iRoNBiLL!!

Now that I'm officially back with the team, I'm feeling more anxious than ever to push forward with some really cool additions to the Navi-X Networks and I'm calling on you!

I am currently looking for all those advanced users of Navi-X to contact me directly in regards to interest in making Navi-X Networks even better than it is already!!

It's time for Navi-X Networks to get automated and modernized... I want to develop a simple to use, categorization, link submission and playlist moderation system for commericialized media sources. It would be similar to Navi-Xtreme, except it would be setup for commercial broadcasters and major website sources, no YouTube playlists or independents! I am also considering integrating it with Turner's system here, so all content in Navi-X Networks would be searchable finally using his search functions. This is exactly what Navi-X Networks has been missing for a long time now, and as the original creator of Navi-X Networks, I intend on making this happen! Any other suggestions to improving the Navi-X Networks is also welcomed!

I'm looking for scriptors, site developers, creators of scrapers and processors, technical advisors and testers... anybody and everybody with some ability who would like to see Navi-X Networks become more efficient and effective than ever before. Any and all help is greatly appreciated and this will give us all a chance to have a hand in something as great as we can make it. Navi-Xtreme has always been awesome, but I am looking to go out on a limb and see if the Navi-X community is as ambitious as I am in making Navi-X greater than it is already!

If you are interested in joining this endeavor, leave a message here in reponse and let me know how you can help. Criticisms and negativity will not be tolerated, so only drop a message here if you are interested in working on the latest project for Navi-X, not to drop your negative 2 cents on this conversation. I look forward to hearing from you soon!

Warm Regards,

iRoNBiLL

P.S. This notice is also posted in the Navi-Xtreme forums here: http://navix.turner3d.net/forums/?action=topic_view&id=672

kalel90
September 19th, 2010, 06:32 PM
Im having serious issues with navi-x 1.0 basically nothing will stream like it loads the first second of video then stops and im ive tried multiple sources and i know its not on there end because that pc is using almost not bandwidth when i attempt to stream any video.

Streaming worked fine in whatever the pevious version was.

iRoNBiLL
September 19th, 2010, 07:28 PM
Wow!! That's a first! You sure you don't have a firewall on or something?! I can't even begin to give you any other technical answer other than something involving security on your computer... EVERYONE I spoke with regarding 1.0 says it's working fine... In fact, even better than the previous version.

If you would like to head over to our forums at http://navix.turner3d.net/forums and copy and paste this posting their, some of our team members can troubleshoot this with you and figure out what's going on.

Other than this, I no longer troubleshoot connectivity or streaming issues with any Navi-X users because this usually ends up in a debate over what works and what doesn't and doesn't really address user concerns. Tikkiew is currently tracking streaming playback results... perhaps he would be willing to poke around your setup with you for a little bit.

iRoNBiLL

kalel90
September 19th, 2010, 07:41 PM
Yea its very weird considering everything else besides actually streaming works better. It seems to be faster, back button does what i expect it to etc. I have no clue whats up with it.

iRoNBiLL
September 21st, 2010, 02:38 AM
FrannkBoxeeTV... If you see this posting, please check the Navi-X forums for "Navi-X Networks 2.0!!" regarding a request I have for you PLEASE. It should be a simple one since it appears to already work, minus a small technical issue. Thanks.

For everyone else... I am considering hosting Navi-X Networks 2 on Google Docs... does anyone know of any regional blocking issues that may prevent users from being able to view hosted files if these playlists were hosted on Google Docs??

I know China has some Google-blocking issues, but I don't know if it may affect our mass migration for the Navi-X Networks... any regional-blocking gurus... your input is invited right about now. :D

iRoNBiLL

iRoNBiLL
September 22nd, 2010, 12:16 PM
Thanks again Frank. Issue was resolved and Google Docs seems to be a great place to host Navi-X Networks 2.

iRoNBiLL

iRoNBiLL
September 24th, 2010, 12:39 PM
I know this is off topic but since this is my normal place of talking, I figured I would make a short statement in regards to something...

I intend to make a vigorous case in defense of Boxee regarding Hulu blocking content very soon... unfortunately, Jason Kilar the CEO of Hulu has decided after I sent him a very feasible understanding of content sharing ethics, to send me back a short and stupid 2 line statement regarding this... and I will make sure when my argument is ready , to post it in the appropriate forum for discussion everything I communicated with him... he will find I don't back down easily from reasonable discussions...

more to come soon! :D

iRoNBiLL

frankboxeetv
September 24th, 2010, 03:57 PM
Hulu is still on Boxee even if they don't really want to be there.

iRoNBiLL
September 25th, 2010, 12:06 AM
I know... I just want to give Jason Kilar a hard time since he was a jerk in his e-mail basically... but I figured I'd give him my 2 cents here soon. :D

iRoNBiLL

coffee-turtle
September 29th, 2010, 07:34 PM
I mean, what is the big deal that HULU is on Boxee?

I don't get it.

I love both and they seem to go together well. Can anyone fill me in why there is some animosity here?

Thanks.

darcilicious
September 29th, 2010, 07:39 PM
Google:

hulu jason boxee

and read away :)

coffee-turtle
September 29th, 2010, 08:10 PM
Thanks darcilicious.

So more precisely:

http://blog.hulu.com/2009/02/18/doing-hard-things/

hehe.. this is the best part:

For those Boxee users reading this post, we understand and appreciate that you’re likely to tell us that we’re nuts. Please know that we do share the same interests and won’t stop innovating in support of the bigger mission.

darcilicious
September 29th, 2010, 08:15 PM
Even better: http://newteevee.com/2010/02/04/nbc-hulu-point-fingers-in-boxee-blame-game/

coffee-turtle
September 29th, 2010, 08:20 PM
Even better: http://newteevee.com/2010/02/04/nbc-hulu-point-fingers-in-boxee-blame-game/

Ah! Indeed! Thank you.

This will be bad for the Boxee Box, but my multi-media PC can run a browser with Hulu and Boxee simultaneously. Virtual Desktops makes it easy to click back and forth.

However, I do love what I read about the remote on the Boxee Box. Hmm.

Yet, my PC can connect with S-Video to my Video components on entertainment systems. Not limited to just HDMI.

Then again, rumor has it that there will be some features only viewable on Boxee Box (hoping that it isn't true).

darcilicious
September 29th, 2010, 08:29 PM
Well currently, Boxee is still able to get videos from Hulu (just not Hulu+ -- so far ;) )

bmoura
September 30th, 2010, 02:58 AM
Well currently, Boxee is still able to get videos from Hulu (just not Hulu+ -- so far ;) )

Yes and Hulu Classic + Boxee is fine for me !

iRoNBiLL
October 7th, 2010, 12:54 AM
Hey Peeps,

Just letting you know I have already set in stone the final layout for Navi-X Networks 2.0! I'm just waiting on 2 team mates to give me some feedback regarding this and we will move forward on it asap.

Also, I am already starting to build the playlist structure for Networks 2, making them from scratch again and trimming out all the duplicates and redundant tagging. I will let everyone who I have contacted regarding Networks 2 know in one big email when I need your contributions and feedback regarding the new networks. Talk to you all soon!

iRoNBiLL

iRoNBiLL
October 7th, 2010, 02:12 AM
Hello Peeps,

I am currently in the process of locating developers for Google TV's Android OS and Roku's streaming box. If anyone out there would consider porting Navi-X to either platform, please contact me directly at xiRoNBiLLx@gmail.com

Thanks.

iRoNBiLL

P.S. Of course, I will be buying the Boxee box for Christmas, so you guys get my money real soon!

zubero
October 12th, 2010, 10:35 AM
NAVI just made the BOXEE experience a hell lot better(like 5x better). This is the best app I've used in boxee. The contents are off the chain. Kinda getting used to the menu and contetnts.

IRONBill can't thank you enough for what you have done so far.

One suggestion, an option to resume videos would be a great plus for the app.

Again, Thank you so much for the great work.

iRoNBiLL
October 12th, 2010, 12:05 PM
I'm glad you love the app... FrankBoxeeTV ported over Rodejo's work for Boxee users a while back and since then its been a great experience.

Don't get too used to Navi-X Networks as it is now, because it is going through a facelift...

Here is how the new menu will be laid out...

New Content
Browse Content
Search Content
TV Shows
Movies
Music
Podcasts
Pictures
Apps
Help and Support
Twitter on Navi-X

This should make content much easier to locate in Navi-X Networks fairly soon. As for resuming video streams, we will have to investigate this. I believe it's been looked into, but will poke Rodejo about this.

iRoNBiLL

gmd024
October 12th, 2010, 12:43 PM
I'm glad you love the app... FrankBoxeeTV ported over Rodejo's work for Boxee users a while back and since then its been a great experience.

Don't get too used to Navi-X Networks as it is now, because it is going through a facelift...

Here is how the new menu will be laid out...

New Content
Browse Content
Search Content
TV Shows
Movies
Music
Podcasts
Pictures
Apps
Help and Support
Twitter on Navi-X

This should make content much easier to locate in Navi-X Networks fairly soon. As for resuming video streams, we will have to investigate this. I believe it's been looked into, but will poke Rodejo about this.

iRoNBiLL


Good news iB

This will be a great new addition to an already great Boxee App

Gotta' quick question -- As I've said before NAVI-X is the addon in Boxee that I usually check out each day - mostly to see what new movies are added to Justme4u2c and today is the 1st time I recall there hasn't been 4 or 5 new movies added -- is this maybe because you guys are changing up NAVI-X and temporarily interrupting some new content from being uploaded/indexed?

Thanks

zubero
October 12th, 2010, 01:27 PM
I'm glad you love the app... FrankBoxeeTV ported over Rodejo's work for Boxee users a while back and since then its been a great experience.

Don't get too used to Navi-X Networks as it is now, because it is going through a facelift...

Here is how the new menu will be laid out...

New Content
Browse Content
Search Content
TV Shows
Movies
Music
Podcasts
Pictures
Apps
Help and Support
Twitter on Navi-X

This should make content much easier to locate in Navi-X Networks fairly soon. As for resuming video streams, we will have to investigate this. I believe it's been looked into, but will poke Rodejo about this.

iRoNBiLL

This new menu looks to be better organized. I heard that other than streaming, there's an option to download the files as well. Would you please share that with us?

Thank you again :)

iRoNBiLL
October 12th, 2010, 03:55 PM
As for JustMe4u2c, I am currently getting prepared to work with him on integrating some of his expertise into the new Navi-X Networks. Sometimes people don't get around to posting links to content is all... he is probably working on his "extended search" functions if I were to guess, since they will find a home in the updated networks. :D

Also as for downloading, this option is not currently available on the Boxee version of Navi-X. No ETA or even a remote guess to when/if this will ever get integrated in the Boxee version...

However... if you found something you like in Navi-X, start playing it then click Share... you can then go to boxee.tv under recent activity and maybe... just maybe, right click on it and save the target to your computer. There is typically a time limit on this because of how content providers timestamp their URLs for streaming, so don't wait too long to try this after playing said content.

The option to download is available all day in the XBMC version, but not in the Boxee version app at this point. Hope this helps.

iRoNBiLL

gmd024
October 12th, 2010, 04:12 PM
As for JustMe4u2c, I am currently getting prepared to work with him on integrating some of his expertise into the new Navi-X Networks. Sometimes people don't get around to posting links to content is all... he is probably working on his "extended search" functions if I were to guess, since they will find a home in the updated networks. :D

Also as for downloading, this option is not currently available on the Boxee version of Navi-X. No ETA or even a remote guess to when/if this will ever get integrated in the Boxee version...

However... if you found something you like in Navi-X, start playing it then click Share... you can then go to boxee.tv under recent activity and maybe... just maybe, right click on it and save the target to your computer. There is typically a time limit on this because of how content providers timestamp their URLs for streaming, so don't wait too long to try this after playing said content.

The option to download is available all day in the XBMC version, but not in the Boxee version app at this point. Hope this helps.

iRoNBiLL

Thanks - I see he updated 'new' today' since I posted about it earlier

iRoNBiLL
October 15th, 2010, 10:54 PM
Hey Folks,

I am currently looking for anyone with some decent photoshop skills for chopping up matching icons for the following items. These icons will be used for the main menu of the Navi-X Networks 2 playlist:

TV Shows

Movies

Music

Podcasts

Pictures

Apps

Help and Support



Any help would be grand, otherwise I will try and do this myself in illustrator and/or photoshop.

iRoNBiLL

xmcnuggetx
October 16th, 2010, 01:34 PM
bill if you need any help on this project i wouldnt mind helping out if i can find the time. Currently working on another app, but I love the idea of Navi-x and for me the content is great. However to try to get my wife or kids to navigate it just doesn't flow well :))

How is the new app going to look? fairly similar? or a major overhaul of the ui?

iRoNBiLL
October 17th, 2010, 11:14 AM
The overall user interface for the most part will stay the same... however the structuring of the menu in Navi-X Networks will change to the layout posted in a previous posting here. That will become the new menu for the Networks. This should greatly increase the browsability of Navi-X content and make for smoother usage.

I don't know too much about the future of Navi-X on Boxee, but I can tell you this... from what has been told to me, development on Navi-X for XBMC is expected to slow down and Rodejo will be switching gears to the Boxee platform for some "major updates" to the Boxee branch! That's all I know and can tell you. :D

So I guess the answer is yeah... changes are coming. ;)

iRoNBiLL

P.S. I am still looking for someone with "half-decent" Photoshop skills to chop up some images for me.... help! I don't want to be the only person submitting images for the update! :D

nuggyblake
October 17th, 2010, 05:53 PM
P.S. I am still looking for someone with "half-decent" Photoshop skills to chop up some images for me.... help! I don't want to be the only person submitting images for the update! :D[/QUOTE]

What do you need ?

Nigel