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PHermas
November 18th, 2008, 01:10 AM
So Plex just had a new release, check this out from their wiki:
http://wiki.plexapp.com/index.php/Main_Page

Plex Media Server is an application developed by the Plex Developers to bridge the gap between Plex and many of the popular Apple media applications. Plex Media Server allows you to manage your music, podcasts and non-DRM quicktime video in iTunes and your photo library in iPhoto, Lightroom or Aperture and use Plex as your playback/display application. Organize your music library in iTunes using the ID3 tag features, add your album artwork and manage your playlists and podcasts. Use iPhoto, Aperture or Lightroom to edit your photos, manage event photo albums, and add keywords. Navigate to the music or photo sections to access your iTunes, the video section to view your non-DRM quicktime video and video podcasts or the photo section to view your photo library. Plex Media Server will retrieve the information and send it back to Plex. When you view a playlist or select a photo album in Plex, the information is delivered from the appropriate library back to Plex. There is no need to scan your libraries and then continually rescan each time you add new media to your collection. Updates to your library, new music and playlists or photo albums will automatically be seen by Plex. It's as simple as that.

Another feature of Plex Media Server is the ability to add library sources to Plex from other computers on a network running Plex Media Server. Not only can you add library sources from computers on your internal network, you can add your friends' libraries as sources and see and play their media over the internet. You are able to access the remote library in Plex as if it was your local library. That includes having access to their cover art, playlists and podcasts, photo albums, events, keywords, etc.!



Sweet iTunes album art support they also have a number of other cool features in this release. You can launch front row or dvd player from within Plex, use itunes visualizers, select tracks to play in the background while you browse around Plex and my favorite when you browse into a tv show the theme music will play. Oh yea you can also play your itunes drm tracks in Plex. Pretty cool stuff, what do you guys think? http://www.plexapp.com

zerock
November 18th, 2008, 08:05 PM
if only it worked with the appletv :P

PHermas
November 18th, 2008, 10:32 PM
Yea since it's intel leopard only, and apple tv runs on tiger.

erikveland
November 18th, 2008, 11:02 PM
This is perfect for me since my Media Server is on my iMac. Looks nicer too. I think I will be switching to Plex until Boxee catches up.

For me, nicer integration with Apple's own apps trumps social features and cross platform capabilities.

erikveland
November 19th, 2008, 12:04 AM
Post like this shows just how much the Plex team Gets It™:

http://elan.plexapp.com/2008/11/09/plexseven-simplified-settings/

agentlame
November 19th, 2008, 12:50 AM
Post like this shows just how much the Plex team Gets It™:

http://elan.plexapp.com/2008/11/09/plexseven-simplified-settings/

i suppose... if you use a mac.

personally, i think team-boxee 'gets it' more... as they have a real heart for oss, while respecting the cross-platform roots of xbmc.

but, that's just me. :)

marcel
November 19th, 2008, 02:59 AM
This is perfect for me since my Media Server is on my iMac. Looks nicer too. I think I will be switching to Plex until Boxee catches up.

catches up to ...:confused:

agentlame
November 19th, 2008, 03:13 AM
catches up to ...:confused:

amen, my friend.

zerock
November 19th, 2008, 04:29 AM
a features i want on boxee from plex, is definitely be able to play itunes drm audio

xain09
November 19th, 2008, 04:33 AM
I don't see any difference between XBMC and Plex to be honest.
The interface is WAY to crowed and the options are over the top.
Sometimes less = more. + where are the social options.
I'm keeping an eye on both Plex and XBMC but they certainly aren't better than Boxee!

zerock
November 19th, 2008, 04:39 AM
One other thing Plex devs don't want to port to appletv, so it doesn't matter if we want.

appletv+boxee should be enough..and it's a good combo. The social features are something not found anywhere else.

erikveland
November 19th, 2008, 06:19 AM
Apart from Social Features, what advantages does boxee offer over Plex?

Plex already has most of the requested features of boxee:

- iLife integration including playlists, photos and podcasts
- Supports FairPlay DRM (http://elan.plexapp.com/2008/11/12/plexseven-itunes-drm-audio-playback/)
- Can launch other apps like EyeTV, DVD Player and Front Row and doesn't take away control from Apple Universal remote. Heck, I can even launch boxee from within Plex!
- Video resume
- Sane sorting (The, An, A etc. ignored)
- Uses all iTunes visualisers (http://elan.plexapp.com/2008/11/14/plexseven-itunes-visualizers/) (which are arguably all nicer than the built in XMBC ones)
- Can be controlled with the XBMC remote on the iPhone (the existing thread was unclear if this also goes for boxee)
- Video bookmarks
- Search
- Instant Pause (I agree that this is a personal preference)
- Simplified Settings (http://elan.plexapp.com/2008/11/09/plexseven-simplified-settings/) (this is being worked on still)
- Menu background music and TV Themes (http://elan.plexapp.com/2008/11/14/plexseven-background-music-and-tv-themes/)
- Autoupdate (http://elan.plexapp.com/2008/11/10/plexseven-integrated-sparkle-and-battery-monitoring/) and Battery Monitor
- Arguably a much slicker UI

Now don't get me wrong, boxee has a fine featureset and a lot of them are better than what Plex offers by default, especially when it comes to internet integration and content. Hence, I will be using both in the future, but using Plex as my main launchpad (it's great to have control back with my remote).

And Plex is far, far from perfect either. I am just initially impressed with the attitudes of the developers when it comes to UI and usability. As well as the progress they have shown in said UI polish, simplification and not to mention the vaunted Apple iTunes and iPhoto (Aperture is promised) integration - and that means far more to me personally than any sort of cross platform ideals. In the end you want a media center that works, no?

erikveland
November 19th, 2008, 06:23 AM
Oh, and please don't take this personally marcel, Neil and Avner. I do love boxee and I'm a strong supporter of it. Competition is healthy, especially in an emerging arena like this!

zerock
November 19th, 2008, 06:28 AM
Oh, and please don't take this personally marcel, Neil and Avner. I do love boxee and I'm a strong supporter of it. Competition is healthy, especially in an emerging arena like this!

i must agree i have tried plex on my mac, and it's pretty good. but boxee's appletv integration just rock... if a new mac mini comes out, i will definitely get it to replace my appletv, and may add plex to the combo..
a plex+boxee sounds a good combo.

boxee has last.fm, and hulu.. it makes it winner for me :)
right now i'm enjoying my boxee on my tv :)

But I will keep playing with Plex on my computer

giyad
November 19th, 2008, 11:27 AM
catches up to ...:confused:

I think he just means until all the bugs are fixed... but how can the bugs get fixed if we don't test it?

Boxee is friggin awesome, once everything is working I don't see how anyone can compete!

I would even prefer to flash my Apple TV to only have Boxee on it, if you guys can just figure out the Music thing (http://forum.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=1784)

marcel
November 19th, 2008, 01:14 PM
we will get there ...:)

travistubbs
November 21st, 2008, 01:35 PM
This is the thing that bothers me: both boxee and Plex have features that the other doesn't have, thus they both are great pieces of software. Why does that bother me? Because it's not one piece of software.

Of course, boxee is still in alpha (or beta?) and Plex is in beta as well, so I'm sure we'll see features from one and other show up in both eventually.

I understand that boxee wants to keep the software cross-platform (which is great), but I wonder if there is a way to create OS specific extras packages (iTunes integration on Mac, WMP/WMC integration on Windows, Rhythmbox integration on Linux). That would be really cool, but I have no idea what it would take to do something like that.

giyad
November 21st, 2008, 01:48 PM
This is the thing that bothers me: both boxee and Plex have features that the other doesn't have, thus they both are great pieces of software. Why does that bother me? Because it's not one piece of software.

Of course, boxee is still in alpha (or beta?) and Plex is in beta as well, so I'm sure we'll see features from one and other show up in both eventually.

I understand that boxee wants to keep the software cross-platform (which is great), but I wonder if there is a way to create OS specific extras packages (iTunes integration on Mac, WMP/WMC integration on Windows, Rhythmbox integration on Linux). That would be really cool, but I have no idea what it would take to do something like that.
the only benefit i see of having iTunes integration, WMP/WMC, or Rythmbox would be for playlists. If you can see something I don't, let me know.

If they did integrate, you would need to have the app open on your server. Thats what I hate about the Apple TV. You can only watch video and listen to music off iTunes... I'm not saying it would be bad to add this feature, I just personally don't see a use for it. Something I think would be better is to implement Media Master (http://www.mediamaster.com/) where you can create playlists and share them over the internet. This service also allows you to backup all your music online, so its pretty sweet. The only problem is that it takes FOREVER to upload it all hehe, Its been almost a week now to upload 6,000 songs, and I still have 2,000 left (although I'm downloading a large torrent at the same time).

PHermas
November 21st, 2008, 05:34 PM
One other thing Plex devs don't want to port to appletv, so it doesn't matter if we want.

appletv+boxee should be enough..and it's a good combo. The social features are something not found anywhere else.

It's not that they don't want to, plex is only being developed for leopard and appletv runs on a version of tiger. If apple were to release a new appletv or an update to leopard there's the possibilty of plex. But I think plex is aimed more at the mini crowd because of the better specs.

bizthepirate
November 22nd, 2008, 10:43 PM
Psssh, Plex is just a wrapper of Apple applications. That's like cheating, isn't it? :p

tastyavocado
December 14th, 2008, 01:02 PM
It is true i love plex's new intergration with itunes...
but with this new release of boxee with netflix streaming i think there is no comparison...plex seems like a better frontrow - boxee is so much more.
i have the front row plugs for both for now, but find i am not really going to plex so much

canadrian
January 29th, 2009, 12:43 PM
I can't say I'm entirely satisfied with either Plex or Boxee, precisely because they don't have each other's features. I'm dying to try out Boxee for the social networking features (mainly FriendFeed, Last.fm and Twitter, not so much teh Boxee network - I don't need ANOTHER social network), but there's no chance I'm going to stay with boxee or invite my friends unless it integrates nicely with iTunes. Just no way. I rely heavily on smart playlists based on play counts, and I have to keep my music and podcasts current in iTunes so they sync properly with my iPhone.

I find it kind of strange that Plex is concentrating on integration with the OS, Boxee on integration with the internet, and no one on just integration, period.

BTW I'm positive Boxee could maintain cross-platform compatibility if it uses the media bridge model like Plex has used: the main Boxee code could remain generic while interfacing with a Boxee Media Bridge tailored to the specific OS it's running on. Heck, Plex and XBMC are open-source - I bet there are media plugins/bridges you could just nab and integrate...

ruckerz
February 4th, 2009, 05:34 PM
Cross platform. Plex is OS X only which is both a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing for the developers because they don't have to accomodate so many hardware configurations but a curse because you have to have a mac.

davilla
February 4th, 2009, 05:55 PM
Plex, heheh, don't get me started :)

subvertbeats
February 5th, 2009, 06:03 AM
Plex, heheh, don't get me started :)

:D were we close to a rant then?

richbutler1
February 5th, 2009, 08:58 AM
There are a couple of things(OK a few) I saw in Plex that Boxee should consider even if the votes here and on getsatisfaction don't show it:

- A UPnp Media Server - flexibility, enables Boxee to be true media hub, other devices (Xbox360, etc. could get to your media), social aspect of 'sharing' with friends which is Boxee's target differentiator, platform agnostic

- Flexibility using an external player(selectable by media type if possible, File, DVD, BR/HD). For me having to exit/enter Boxee to play a Blu-Ray disc takes away from the experience. XBMC has exposed an 'advancedsettings.xml' file that they are working on for this purpose.

- Improved library management, media metadata recognition and categorization. This needs to be rock solid, more flexible/open/transparent. This has been a hit or miss proposition with Boxee this Alpha. This doesn't mean a tag editor, this means proper (and flexible) mapping/categorization during scanning.

No one click way to force re-scan that I saw either. An exposed XML file or hints where this data is in the DB would help some tweakers improve. I'm a Win user and not being able to see a wealth of ms-dvr files makes me sad. I know this effort was kicked off in the mac/linux world, so I pray in time it happens or is tweaked.

Don't get me wrong, I love Boxee. I try the others but keep coming home at night to her :)