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PeteWalker74
September 21st, 2010, 09:46 AM
Good morning everyone. My first post here, as I'm quite new to Boxee. I have ripped my blu-ray collection to my NAS device, and currently use an Asus O!Play to stream them to my TV. However, since the interface to do so is pretty awful, I was looking for something with a higher W.A.F. to play these movies with. I added the parent folder into Boxee, and it found 74 files, but isn't making the correlation between the folder title and the name of the file(s). So, what I get as a result is one movie added, called "Stream". I don't want to change the way these movies are on the NAS, by renaming files, etc. Am I SOL, or is there a way to configure Boxee to recognize these movies correctly, thumbnails and all? I'm also looking at a WD TV Live, which I know can do this, but just wanted to give Boxee a fair shake before doing so. I'd very much appreciate any and all insight into this issue. Thank you!

dbailey75
September 21st, 2010, 08:51 PM
Your best option is to rip the main movie to MKV, using .h264 codec, Google MakeMKV, it does a great job. best I can tell, it takes the .m2ts files, strings them together and then changes the container, no encoding appears to ocurrring as it only take about 30 minutes on my PC rip a BD.

PeteWalker74
September 21st, 2010, 09:27 PM
Your best option is to rip the main movie to MKV, using .h264 codec, Google MakeMKV, it does a great job. best I can tell, it takes the .m2ts files, strings them together and then changes the container, no encoding appears to ocurrring as it only take about 30 minutes on my PC rip a BD.

I'll give it a test with one of them, see how Boxee does in detecting it. However, it's not a long-term fix. The reason I specified not changing the files is because I want to be able to burn them to a DVD so I can play it in a Blu-Ray player (as I have them stored as movie-only BD5). If someone told me ISOs would work, I'd convert them all to ISOs, since then I could just burn the ISO to DVD.

gmd024
September 21st, 2010, 09:45 PM
Good morning everyone. My first post here, as I'm quite new to Boxee. I have ripped my blu-ray collection to my NAS device, and currently use an Asus O!Play to stream them to my TV. However, since the interface to do so is pretty awful, I was looking for something with a higher W.A.F. to play these movies with. I added the parent folder into Boxee, and it found 74 files, but isn't making the correlation between the folder title and the name of the file(s). So, what I get as a result is one movie added, called "Stream". I don't want to change the way these movies are on the NAS, by renaming files, etc. Am I SOL, or is there a way to configure Boxee to recognize these movies correctly, thumbnails and all? I'm also looking at a WD TV Live, which I know can do this, but just wanted to give Boxee a fair shake before doing so. I'd very much appreciate any and all insight into this issue. Thank you!

What file format/container are your BDs ripped as/to

As mentioned, MKV's seem to be a preffered container to play back BD rips as - but if you have 74 BDs ripped to something else, converting them to MKV's will be a 'project', to say the least

Knowing what format/container your BD are ripped to may offer some alternate options - I doubt they are MKVs or you wouldn't be posting your issue here -- most likely they are ripped to m2ts/folder structure or possibly ISOs - if so, there may be ways to get them working on Boxee - let us know

PS - Boxee recognizes my BD ISOs and MKVs stored in folders simply named 'the title/name of the movie' and stored in that folder via the name assigned during the rip by the software used - all ISOs are in a master folder named "ISO Rips" - and all MKVs are stored in a master folder titled "MKV Rips" which Boxee indexes/plays without issue

I also have to add that Boxee will only play BD ISOs if first mounted in a Virtual Drive (regular DVDs and all MKVs do not need the Virtual drive) - so I'm not sure how this will work with the Boxee Box - unless Boxee makes the Box able to play BD ISOs without a Virtual Drive - or else a PC will have to be involved using the Virtual Drive/mounted BD ISO for Boxee to access/play

dbailey75
September 21st, 2010, 09:50 PM
BD ISO's do not work, unless you load them via a virtual drive. boxee will play the largest file (main movie) but you will not be able to select the movie from a thumb nail, you'll need to go to files/drive, doesnt meet the WAF. As far as I know, you will not find a media center software that will play BD ISO's natively, XBMC's latest release will play the main movie from the BD folders, and there are other ways to configure XBMC by using 3rd party app's, media portal is another option but development has stop on the current release.

also, it's been documented that the boxee box (when released) will have BD iso support, but no menus. But I'd wait till a production model hits the street to confirm.

PeteWalker74
September 21st, 2010, 09:53 PM
At the moment, they are stored as file/folder structure. I'm attempting two things concurrently. One, as mentioned, I'm going to do a test convert to MKV. Two, I'm going to use ImgBurn to create an ISO from the file/folder structure. I'll then point Boxee to both folders, and see how it displays each one, and see how it goes from there. If ISOs work, then problem solved. If not, then I'm going to have to either dig deeper, or look elsewhere. Thanks for all the input, fellas.

Update: MakeMKV looks like it's taking about 5-7 minutes to convert a BD5 as file/folder structure, which seems to corroborate what was mentioned above, about it not doing any sort of conversion. But unfortunately, even if this does work, it's not a long-term solution, as I said.

Update #2: MakeMKV failed, so I have to figure out why it failed, but not sure it even matters at this point.

gmd024
September 21st, 2010, 10:03 PM
At the moment, they are stored as file/folder structure. I'm attempting two things concurrently. One, as mentioned, I'm going to do a test convert to MKV. Two, I'm going to use ImgBurn to create an ISO from the file/folder structure. I'll then point Boxee to both folders, and see how it displays each one, and see how it goes from there. If ISOs work, then problem solved. If not, then I'm going to have to either dig deeper, or look elsewhere. Thanks for all the input, fellas.

Update: MakeMKV looks like it's taking about 5-7 minutes to convert a BD5 as file/folder structure, which seems to corroborate what was mentioned above, about it not doing any sort of conversion. But unfortunately, even if this does work, it's not a long-term solution, as I said.

ISOs will work - at least for me -- and if Boxee Box supports BD ISOs mentioned by dbailey75 - problem solved

That's why I rip all content to ISO's and MKVs right now - as time goes on and if Boxee Box supports BD ISO's (Like my Patriot Box Office(s) do) -- I'll most likely rip to ISOs only, if they stream well -- but it's my experience that MKVs stream better

But again tsMuxeR will convert all BD MKVs to an AVCHD to burn to disk for play back in a home or PC/optical player - so many options, depending on what the needs are!

PeteWalker74
September 21st, 2010, 10:05 PM
ISOs will work - at least for me -- and if Boxee Box supports BD ISOs mentioned by dbailey75 - problem solved

That's why I rip all content to ISO's and MKVs right now - as time goes on and if Boxee Box supports BD ISO's (Like my Patriot Box Office(s) do) -- I'll most likely rip to ISOs only, if they stream well -- but it's my experience that MKVs stream better

But again tsMuxeR will convert all BD MKVs to an AVCHD to burn to disk for play back in a home or PC/optical player - so many options, depending on what the needs are!

Right, but when I want to make a disc, I don't want to have to wait hours to convert it to some other format. I want the media in the format I need, and I just want something that can view that format, as-is, without me having to convert it to something else.

PeteWalker74
September 21st, 2010, 10:07 PM
Well, as far as the ISO, Boxee recognizes it as the correct movie and pulls the movie information down (great!) but unfortunately, when I attempt to play it, it gives me the horizontal squares (kinda like it's working on it) but then goes back to the movie screen. No errors or anything similar. It just won't play it. Odd.

gmd024
September 21st, 2010, 10:08 PM
At the moment, they are stored as file/folder structure. I'm attempting two things concurrently. One, as mentioned, I'm going to do a test convert to MKV. Two, I'm going to use ImgBurn to create an ISO from the file/folder structure. I'll then point Boxee to both folders, and see how it displays each one, and see how it goes from there. If ISOs work, then problem solved. If not, then I'm going to have to either dig deeper, or look elsewhere. Thanks for all the input, fellas.

Update: MakeMKV looks like it's taking about 5-7 minutes to convert a BD5 as file/folder structure, which seems to corroborate what was mentioned above, about it not doing any sort of conversion. But unfortunately, even if this does work, it's not a long-term solution, as I said.

Update #2: MakeMKV failed, so I have to figure out why it failed, but not sure it even matters at this point.

If you installed the newest MakeMKV v160 - it seems to have issues, the first time I've seen an issue with it for many months -- I down graded to the last v158 which works fine - and I'll wait for the creator (Mike) to fix the issue in a new version - which I know will happen

gmd024
September 21st, 2010, 10:10 PM
Well, as far as the ISO, Boxee recognizes it as the correct movie and pulls the movie information down (great!) but unfortunately, when I attempt to play it, it gives me the horizontal squares (kinda like it's working on it) but then goes back to the movie screen. No errors or anything similar. It just won't play it. Odd.

I'm sure you are playing 'unencrypted' ISO rips - Right?

PeteWalker74
September 21st, 2010, 10:17 PM
I'm sure you are playing 'unencrypted' ISO rips - Right?

Yes. These are rips I've used AnyDVD HD to rip the original full ISO, then used BD Rebuilder to create a movie-only BD5 version, which is in file/folder structure. I then took that, and used ImgBurn to create an ISO. If I mount that same ISO file, autoplay kicks off and TMT3 plays the movie, so I know the ISO is good.

gmd024
September 21st, 2010, 10:40 PM
Not sure where your issue is happening -- I rip, store and save all ADVD HD ISOs and MakeMKVs as original size - the price per GB/Tb is pretty economical these days and given the fact that I have 16Tbs of storage, I'm not concerned about storage space for a while

Like you say the process you use to squeeze the rips down with doesn't seem to be the issue - but to be sure - have you tried playing the raw/original ISO rips from AnyDVD HD before compressing it - just to be sure

If you do - keep in mind the BD ISOs will have to be mounted with a virtual drive, free to use from Slysoft's site - which I'm sure is something you are not wanting to add to your content playing scenario

PeteWalker74
September 21st, 2010, 11:16 PM
Mounting ISOs is not an option. I am putzing with Boxee on the PC, so that I can decide if it contains the functionality where I can get the box itself, and not have to have a PC running (stream from my NAS). Regardless of whether the original ISOs play, the ripped ones work in everything else except Boxee... not sure what the issue is.

Do actual Boxee support people frequent these forums? Perhaps if so, I can get an answer straight from the horse's mouth.

lombana
September 21st, 2010, 11:32 PM
...As far as I know, you will not find a media center software that will play BD ISO's natively,

FWIW, Western Digital WDTV Live + can play BD ISO natively.

PeteWalker74
September 22nd, 2010, 07:49 AM
FWIW, Western Digital WDTV Live + can play BD ISO natively.

Yep, that I already know, I'm just hoping that Boxee either supports it now, or adds support for it before launch. This is all a test right now, and so far it's not doing what I want it to do. My fear, for lack of a better term, is that I already have the Asus O!Play, I end up picking up a WD Live, and then Boxee adds support to go along with their quite nice ecosystem. I want my wife to be able to go to any room, have the same menu system, and not have to learn 3 different devices to play movies.

gmd024
September 22nd, 2010, 08:40 AM
Yep, that I already know, I'm just hoping that Boxee either supports it now, or adds support for it before launch. This is all a test right now, and so far it's not doing what I want it to do. My fear, for lack of a better term, is that I already have the Asus O!Play, I end up picking up a WD Live, and then Boxee adds support to go along with their quite nice ecosystem. I want my wife to be able to go to any room, have the same menu system, and not have to learn 3 different devices to play movies.

I can't believe the BBox won't be able to play BD ISO's when released -- there's a lot of boxes that do, including one I own - the Patriot Box Office - it sells for about $65+/- after rebate and plays BD ISOs without issue via a USB connected HDD - over the network even wired it has issues, which a lot of other boxes do also

That's something else to keep in mind in your quest for BD ISO playback - issues over the network with BD ISOs -- another reason why I like MKV's, they're not 'perfect' over a network - but much less forgiving that BD ISOs

You might want to email Marcel, he usually chimes in on posts like this - but I'm sure his time is consumed with the release of the BBox

I doubt if he will mind if I give you his email address - he's published it many times here on the forum -- marcel at boxee . tv

And please let us know what you find out - I've scoured the net and the forum, and can't seem to find a definative answer to "BD" ISO support on the BBox - only mention of 'ISO'

PeteWalker74
September 22nd, 2010, 09:00 AM
I can't believe the BBox won't be able to play BD ISO's when released -- there's a lot of boxes that do, including one I own - the Patriot Box Office - it sells for about $65+/- after rebate and plays BD ISOs without issue via a USB connected HDD - over the network even wired it has issues, which a lot of other boxes do also

That's something else to keep in mind in your quest for BD ISO playback - issues over the network with BD ISOs -- another reason why I like MKV's, they're not 'perfect' over a network - but much less forgiving that BD ISOs

You might want to email Marcel, he usually chimes in on posts like this - but I'm sure his time is consumed with the release of the BBox

I doubt if he will mind if I give you his email address - he's published it many times here on the forum -- marcel at boxee . tv

And please let us know what you find out - I've scoured the net and the forum, and can't seem to find a definative answer to "BD" ISO support on the BBox - only mention of 'ISO'

Yep, that cheapy Asus box plays em just fine too, and even plays the file/folder structure flawlessly, all over the network.

I'll shoot him an e-mail, so that's for giving that to me.

Yes, I've probably done the same scouring you have, and since I couldn't come up with anything, I'm posting my question here. If he responds at all, or with something useful, I'll let you guys know.

dbailey75
September 22nd, 2010, 09:55 AM
FWIW, Western Digital WDTV Live + can play BD ISO natively.

This is not a media center software, like boxee, WMC, XBMC, Media portal, plex, etc running on a PC, maybe I should have clarified. I don't know if it's a license issue or what.

Media streamers do offer this function, it's what's called BD lite, main movie's play, but no menu support, some higher end models offer full menu support like the popcorn hour and dune prime I believe among others.

dbailey75
September 22nd, 2010, 09:57 AM
[QUOTE=PeteWalker74;111276]Yep, that cheapy Asus box plays em just fine too, and even plays the file/folder structure flawlessly, all over the network.

I'll shoot him an e-mail, so that's for giving that to me.

Yes, I've probably done the same scouring you have, and since I couldn't come up with anything, I'm posting my question here. If he responds at all, or with something useful, I'll let you guys know.[/QUOT

The latest review on Anandtech claims the Boxee Box can play BD ISO's, but just the main movie, no menu support.

http://forums.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=20308

You can find more info here on streamers and what they can do. Seems to me that a streamer may be up your alley, Boxee Box included.

http://www.iboum.com/net-media-players.php

PeteWalker74
September 22nd, 2010, 09:59 AM
[QUOTE=PeteWalker74;111276]Yep, that cheapy Asus box plays em just fine too, and even plays the file/folder structure flawlessly, all over the network.

I'll shoot him an e-mail, so that's for giving that to me.

Yes, I've probably done the same scouring you have, and since I couldn't come up with anything, I'm posting my question here. If he responds at all, or with something useful, I'll let you guys know.[/QUOT

The latest review on Anandtech claims the Boxee Box can play BD ISO's, but just the main movie, no menu support.

I'm OK with that, honestly. I guess it's just personal preference, but I'm OK with just watching the movie and not having all the extras, etc. I mean once you watch them once, I feel that I'd never watch them again, and am mainly interested in the movies themselves. That especially holds true for my 3 year old's movies, etc. I guess I'll have to try again with making another ISO, but it doesn't make sense that the ISO is bad since other software on my PC would recognize and play the movie without issue.

dbailey75
September 22nd, 2010, 10:15 AM
[QUOTE=dbailey75;111285]

I'm OK with that, honestly. I guess it's just personal preference, but I'm OK with just watching the movie and not having all the extras, etc. I mean once you watch them once, I feel that I'd never watch them again, and am mainly interested in the movies themselves. That especially holds true for my 3 year old's movies, etc. I guess I'll have to try again with making another ISO, but it doesn't make sense that the ISO is bad since other software on my PC would recognize and play the movie without issue.

Also to be Clear, boxee software does not support BD files, unless played via a virtual drive, the boxee box by Dlink (there are differences in the functionality) will play BD ISO as per the reviww from Anandtech.

But I think a streamer will fit your needs best.

gmd024
September 22nd, 2010, 10:41 AM
Like PeteWalker74 - I don't want the menus and all the other 'stuff' that sometimes are available on DVDs/BDs - I'm only here to watch "The" movie - If possible, I try to strip out everything I can when ripping an ISO and MKV - in some cases it can also save a lot of storage space

The Anandtech article about the BD ISO support is good news - I've had a BBox on pre-order from day one - and I would not have cancelled it for most any reason - because I'm sure the Boxee team and D-Link are committed to making this Box work - and it looks like that will hold true right from the 1st release

These two statements in the article are also interesting...
No menu support for DVD and Blu-Ray ISOs as of now & No support for playback of DRM content from external Blu-Ray or DVD drives as of now

I'm not sure if Anandtech knows something about this - or just wondering/hoping it may happen

dbailey75
September 22nd, 2010, 11:27 AM
Like PeteWalker74 - I don't want the menus and all the other 'stuff' that sometimes are available on DVDs/BDs - I'm only here to watch "The" movie - If possible, I try to strip out everything I can when ripping an ISO and MKV - in some cases it can also save a lot of storage space

The Anandtech article about the BD ISO support is good news - I've had a BBox on pre-order from day one - and I would not have cancelled it for most any reason - because I'm sure the Boxee team and D-Link are committed to making this Box work - and it looks like that will hold true right from the 1st release

These two statements in the article are also interesting...
No menu support for DVD and Blu-Ray ISOs as of now & No support for playback of DRM content from external Blu-Ray or DVD drives as of now

I'm not sure if Anandtech knows something about this - or just wondering/hoping it may happen

The guy that wrote the Anandtech article is posting in the "boxee anticipation thread" on avsforum.com, you should have a look, seems folks are getting stoked about the release. I was a beta tester for a month on the popbox before returning it, I'm still waiting for sybase to send me a pay check, :D, and I got burned with the lenovo q150, I can't get it to play HD , but seem some folks are having success, though I'm interested in the BB, but I'm going to wait for the official reviews to hit the street. I've found a work around for the BD ISO.

And my wife has threaten to quit her job if spend any more money on gadgets, so, yeah, I'm going to be on the side line for a few months.

PeteWalker74
September 22nd, 2010, 12:37 PM
The guy that wrote the Anandtech article is posting in the "boxee anticipation thread" on avsforum.com, you should have a look, seems folks are getting stoked about the release. I was a beta tester for a month on the popbox before returning it, I'm still waiting for sybase to send me a pay check, :D, and I got burned with the lenovo q150, I can't get it to play HD , but seem some folks are having success, though I'm interested in the BB, but I'm going to wait for the official reviews to hit the street. I've found a work around for the BD ISO.

And my wife has threaten to quit her job if spend any more money on gadgets, so, yeah, I'm going to be on the side line for a few months.

We're in the same boat (sans the wife situation! :) ) I am now going to have to wait until release to see if this does what I think it will. I *almost* bought into the hype machine with the Popbox, and seeing the reviews, I'm glad I didn't. I hope the same situation isn't true for the Boxee box, but again since the Popbox has made me guy-shy, I just have to wait now, if I can't get the software to do what I want it to do.

gmd024
September 22nd, 2010, 12:52 PM
The guy that wrote the Anandtech article is posting in the "boxee anticipation thread" on avsforum.com, you should have a look, seems folks are getting stoked about the release. I was a beta tester for a month on the popbox before returning it, I'm still waiting for sybase to send me a pay check, :D, and I got burned with the lenovo q150, I can't get it to play HD , but seem some folks are having success, though I'm interested in the BB, but I'm going to wait for the official reviews to hit the street. I've found a work around for the BD ISO.

And my wife has threaten to quit her job if spend any more money on gadgets, so, yeah, I'm going to be on the side line for a few months.

LOL -- I know what you mean about beta testing - I gave the Viewsonic VMMP75 a spin (actually two of them) - I couldn't believe it had so many issues that I RMA'd the first one thinking it was defective - but nooo - the 2nd one had the same issues - and when comparing notes with some AVS forum members, I beleive most of us RMA'd that bug-box and moved on

I'll have to check out the Boxee thread on AVS - thanks for the heads-up

And do keep your better half happy - 'cause when momma's not happy, well you know...;)

maniac618
December 24th, 2010, 08:34 AM
Hi everyone,

I too want to try and get my bluray rips to work with Boxee.

I have general problems with making the .iso files though. I am in the same situation as the thread starter.

I have already ripped about 10 blurays to bluray folder structure. I want to make .iso files from them.

I have imgburn and slysofts virtual drive software.

My problem is making the iso files in general. What are the exact instructions for making bluray .iso files? I have only tested with PowerDVD and it states that the disc (.iso mounted to virtual drive) is an unsupported format!

I created the image as udf (only) 2.50, PowerDVD doesn't like it.

Please help, I can't even get over the first hurdle!

gmd024
December 24th, 2010, 09:58 AM
Hi everyone,

I too want to try and get my bluray rips to work with Boxee.

I have general problems with making the .iso files though. I am in the same situation as the thread starter.

I have already ripped about 10 blurays to bluray folder structure. I want to make .iso files from them.

I have imgburn and slysofts virtual drive software.

My problem is making the iso files in general. What are the exact instructions for making bluray .iso files? I have only tested with PowerDVD and it states that the disc (.iso mounted to virtual drive) is an unsupported format!

I created the image as udf (only) 2.50, PowerDVD doesn't like it.

Please help, I can't even get over the first hurdle!

I don't see any mention of decrypting software which is needed to enable Boxee to play the content - Boxee won't play original protected content

I would highly recommend AnyDVD HD - you can rip straight to an ISO/Image which can be burnt to a BD if desired and Boxee will play it also -- but if you want Boxee to play the BD ISO rip it will have to be mounted with a virtual drive (Virtual CloneDrive) (the Boxee Box can play unprotected BD ISOs natively) - AnyDVD will stop selling the one-time charge life time license on 12-31-10 and it's discounted now through 12-31 I believe
The best way to use AnyDVD HD is to rip from the original BD/physical media but I believe you can mount the BD folders in Virtual CloneDrive and then run them through AnyDVD HD, I'm not 100% sure about this - I stopped ripping to m2ts/ts/folders a long time ago - I had to many playback issues with different hardware/software media players

If you are playing the BD ISOs over a network you may have stuttering/buffering issues - if playing the BD ISOs stored on the HDD that Boxees' installed on or a directly connected USB HDD there should be no problems

As mentioned earlier in this thread, MKVs are a great alternative - they are smaller in file size, have the same PQ as the original BD and stream over a wired network issue free in most cases - (MakeMKV)