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AnotherCanuck
November 11th, 2010, 10:19 AM
Anyone else a little disapointed to see that the Boxee Box only has 10/100 ethernet and 2.4Ghz Wireless-N?

For a media streaming device, one would expect Gigabit LAN and 5Ghz Wireless-N these days :(

melll
November 11th, 2010, 10:24 AM
It steams everything fine on my 5mb down 200kb up dsl connection which is shared with 4 other computers and the modem is 30 feet from my bedroom.

I can also stream divx movies from it to my phone, computer etc.

Some people just gotta have more...

But as for me, I am very happy with it.

darcilicious
November 11th, 2010, 10:24 AM
What do you need gigabit for? 100mb/s is plenty for any and all HD content you have on your LAN and more than enough for any online content...

dan1son
November 11th, 2010, 10:44 AM
Blu Ray maxes out at 54mbit data transfer rate. That's the peak you will EVER need for one box, until something beyond blu-ray comes out. That said, most discs I have seen are in the 30mbit range.

If you have a gigabit backend to your NAS, you can easily run a few blu-ray streams from it, assuming its hard disks are up to the task.

100mbit is really plenty for HD. Wi-fi thought... that has too many parameters, you're better off running a wire or MOCA.

rodalpho
November 11th, 2010, 11:11 AM
2.4Ghz N isn't great. It's a lot better if it supports 40Mhz band and if you're in the suburbs without a lot of interference.

100baseT ethernet is just fine for streaming media, but since the boxee box can supposedly work as a NAS with a USB hard drive plugged in, gigabit would have been nice.

AnotherCanuck
November 11th, 2010, 11:39 AM
Edit: ^ What rodalpho said ^

Not for streaming (wrong choice of words in my first post), but for NAS/Samba server. I have a little homemade Boxee Box and I store all of my media on it on an external 2TB drive. If I got the Boxee Box, I would be doing the same, so I need to transfer all of my files to it.

File transfers over 2.4Ghz (on 20Mhz) is horrendously slow compared to 5Ghz (on 40Mhz). Frankly, 20Mhz can't be trusted for HD streaming either though.

Pretty much the same with 10/100. Fast ethernet is "enough", but file transfers would be much faster over Gigabit.

darcilicious
November 11th, 2010, 11:43 AM
For a one-time transfer wouldn't you want to hook up the new USB to the same computer that has your media files now and then copy the files over? After that, it won't be like you're copying TBs of data...

And yes, gigabit would be nice but it's not really *necessary*.

AnotherCanuck
November 11th, 2010, 11:50 AM
Nothing is necessary. The Boxee Box isn't necessary. Everything is just nice to have.

I would prefer transfers complete quickly rather than slowly.

That's the whole reason electronics are moving to Gigabit and 5Ghz after all, isn't it? So things are faster.

I'm not knocking the Boxee, it still looks like a decent media box; I'm just saying, it would have been nice.

Ph8
November 11th, 2010, 12:06 PM
Anyone else a little disapointed to see that the Boxee Box only has 10/100 ethernet and 2.4Ghz Wireless-N?

For a media streaming device, one would expect Gigabit LAN and 5Ghz Wireless-N these days :(

No not really as at least the 10/100 has been known for a long time. As far as the 2.4Ghz, it doesnt bother me, many people have wireless networks where the 5Ghz signal wouldnt even reach the box and if it does its quality is low. Unless you are very close 5Ghz is IMO a no go.

So in otherwors it doesnt bother me ;)

doggtagg
November 11th, 2010, 12:08 PM
I got my boxee box yesterday, although i only spent a shot amount of time messing around with it i must say that while the overall experance has been good. However i'm also very disapointed with the apps that seem to be missing.

The app i miss the most is the boxee browser. I have a bunch of custom php scripts it use, I guess i'll go back to running them from my phone. The Shoutcast app also seems to be missing, i dont understand why that would have been removed.

Ph8
November 11th, 2010, 12:12 PM
I got my boxee box yesterday, although i only spent a shot amount of time messing around with it i must say that while the overall experance has been good. However i'm also very disapointed with the apps that seem to be missing.

The app i miss the most is the boxee browser. I have a bunch of custom php scripts it use, I guess i'll go back to running them from my phone. The Shoutcast app also seems to be missing, i dont understand why that would have been removed.

I believe when you upgrade to 1.0 (which you can do now) youll ahve the Boxee Browser back. I could be wrong though.

melll
November 11th, 2010, 02:21 PM
I got my boxee box yesterday, although i only spent a shot amount of time messing around with it i must say that while the overall experance has been good. However i'm also very disapointed with the apps that seem to be missing.

The app i miss the most is the boxee browser. I have a bunch of custom php scripts it use, I guess i'll go back to running them from my phone. The Shoutcast also seems to be missing, i dont understand why that would have been removed.


U need to update now, to 1.0


http://forums.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=21655

haveringcottage
November 11th, 2010, 02:33 PM
if you are running a gigabit ethernet in your home with jumbo frames enabled (essential if you do lots of transferring of large files about on your home network) then ALL devices need to be jumbo frame compatible or you can't enable jumbo frames.

as boxee is not, thats it for anyone with a 1000T jumbo framed LAN.

Surely the gigabit lan chip would only have cost a couple of cents more to manufacture?:eek:

Drone-01
November 11th, 2010, 02:55 PM
Gezzz... I feel ya... I was for sure they would have a Fiber LAN connection and a Fail-over mobile WAN connection... and no redundant power supplies... What were they thinking...

Good job to Boxee for making this happen and at the 2 bill price point...

AnotherCanuck
November 11th, 2010, 03:09 PM
Gezzz... I feel ya... I was for sure they would have a Fiber LAN connection and a Fail-over mobile WAN connection... and no redundant power supplies... What were they thinking...

Good job to Boxee for making this happen and at the 2 bill price point...

Gigabit LAN and 5Ghz wireless are realistic expectations; not to mention cheap.

Drone-01
November 11th, 2010, 03:16 PM
You design it, manufacture it and bring it to market and I'd buy it...

Chippyboy
November 23rd, 2010, 03:36 PM
No not really as at least the 10/100 has been known for a long time. As far as the 2.4Ghz, it doesnt bother me, many people have wireless networks where the 5Ghz signal wouldnt even reach the box and if it does its quality is low. Unless you are very close 5Ghz is IMO a no go.

So in otherwors it doesnt bother me ;)

I don't know where you got that idea from mate. I have an reasonably large house and a single Netgear Dgdn3300 modem/router fills the house with decent 5 Ghz wireless-n. I can stream BBC hd upstairs in my laptop (through 1 brick wall and various stud partition walls. Downstairs I have an Apple TV that connects and streams 5M bit 720p video (again through a thick brick wall) flawlessly.

2.4ghz by contrast is useless. I have a set of DECT phones that interfere terribly, plus the microwave.

Not supporting 5Mhz is a major blunder if you ask me. Well, it's meant they've lost a sale to me for one :-(

gmd024
November 23rd, 2010, 03:55 PM
I don't know where you got that idea from mate. I have an reasonably large house and a single Netgear Dgdn3300 modem/router fills the house with decent 5 Ghz wireless-n. I can stream BBC hd upstairs in my laptop (through 1 brick wall and various stud partition walls. Downstairs I have an Apple TV that connects and streams 5M bit 720p video (again through a thick brick wall) flawlessly.

2.4ghz by contrast is useless. I have a set of DECT phones that interfere terribly, plus the microwave.

Not supporting 5Mhz is a major blunder if you ask me. Well, it's meant they've lost a sale to me for one :-(

Your 5 Ghz performance is an exception to the norm -- the Dgdn3300 is simultaneous 2 & 5Ghz - why don't you try a BBox a see what happens - and/or consider a hard wire - Purchase it where you get a 30 day no-hassle return policy

Chippyboy
November 24th, 2010, 06:10 PM
Your 5 Ghz performance is an exception to the norm -- the Dgdn3300 is simultaneous 2 & 5Ghz - why don't you try a BBox a see what happens - and/or consider a hard wire - Purchase it where you get a 30 day no-hassle return policy

I have. It can't receive 5 GHz signals at all. Showstopping problem unfortunately, so it's going back. :-(

AnotherCanuck
November 24th, 2010, 09:22 PM
I wouldn't say his results are an exception of the norm. I have our 5Ghz router on the upstairs floor of our house. Our HTPC on the opposite end of the main floor receives 3-4 bars and a laptop in the basement receives 2 bars.

Our 2.4Ghz network gets 5 bars and 4 bars in the same areas respectively, but the reception is still perfectly adequate and the true throughput is still far faster.


I have. It can't receive 5 GHz signals at all. Showstopping problem unfortunately, so it's going back. :-(

I think he meant try to see how it performs on 2.4Ghz ;)

gmd024
November 25th, 2010, 08:03 AM
I wouldn't say his results are an exception of the norm. I have our 5Ghz router on the upstairs floor of our house. Our HTPC on the opposite end of the main floor receives 3-4 bars and a laptop in the basement receives 2 bars.

Our 2.4Ghz network gets 5 bars and 4 bars in the same areas respectively, but the reception is still perfectly adequate and the true throughput is still far faster.



I think he meant try to see how it performs on 2.4Ghz ;)

That's good - I have a similar layout here at my residence and could not get the 5G to work well - and I don't have hardly any interference on 2.4 - but ultimately I caved in and ran a hard wire because most of my local content is BD/HD and streaming it over wireless was a persistant issue for me

And yes, I did mean for chippy to try 2.4 before returning the BBox

jebise
November 25th, 2010, 10:15 PM
well that just sucks, is it the wireless chip they are using? maybe fixable via firmware??

or it will have to go back to the store. Wireless N (5GHz) was what i was looking for and this seems like false advertising to me.

gmd024
November 26th, 2010, 07:14 AM
There may be 2 or 3 alternatives to getting wireless N and 5Ghz on the BBox

The first one I'm not sure of - maybe a Boxee team member or someone else could say for sure - try a USB wireless N adapter

The second, a wireless N Bridge or WAP - this would allow for much more thru-put than any wireless adapter, G or N - and would work better for some HD content - 5Ghz models are availabe

The third would be similar to the second in performance - a wireless N router config'd as a bridge - I'm sure many BBox owners already have an extra router laying around, if not new routers are very inexpensive - especially today and through the weekend with all the holiday sales going on
If the routers is not bridgeable with the factory firmware, compatible 3rd party frmw would be an alternative, ie...DD-WRT, Tomato
The 5Ghz option is available here also

I realize these suggestions may cost a few extra $$ if persued - I'm simply suggesting a couple of ways to get your BBox's set up the way you want

AnotherCanuck
November 26th, 2010, 02:32 PM
It's simply a half-height mini-PCIe 802.11n card in the Boxee Box.

See here: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Boxee-Box-Teardown/4109/1#s19310

It would be interesting to see if anyone is willing to tear open their Boxee (bye-bye waranty) and install a half-height 5Ghz card (such as the Intel WiFi Link 6300/6200 or 5300/5100, they run for < $45 CAD) and see if it is detected. If not... well, the Boxee Box runs on Linux, no? I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to get the drivers loaded up.

Chippyboy
November 28th, 2010, 04:41 AM
And yes, I did mean for chippy to try 2.4 before returning the BBox

Sorry, I misunderstood.

Unfortunately although the router can do 2.4GHz and 5GHz simultaneously, it can't do 2.4GHz N and 5GHz N simultaneously. The N mode has to be either 2.4Ghz or 5GHz, but not both.

So I would have to switch the whole N network to 2.4GHz, which I am not really keen on doing. I have dect phones and wireless tv transmitters on all the time on the 2.4GHz band. (I have a single Sky HD box and I pump SD signal to the breakfast room and upper bedrooms via the TV transmitters. As you can probably guess, I hate wires!)

The only option I think would be a 5GHz N wireless ethernet bridge - and they do work just fine in my house. But that's another 50 and add in the fact that the box is too noisy and it's just starting to not be that appealing.

I don't mean to sound too disparaging about the Boxee Box though. For the right environment, I think it would be brilliant. But I am just not sure it's for me.

gmd024
November 28th, 2010, 08:56 AM
There are two other options - one is pricey, a powerline adapter kit - the other's not pricey at all, maybe just time consuming, run a hard wire

As mentioned in a previous post, I caved in and made running a hard wire a weekend project - I realize it can be quite a project in some scenarios and almost impossible in others - if you ever get into streaming BD/HD a wired connection is pretty much a must

Good luck in whatever you decide

Ph8
November 28th, 2010, 10:41 AM
There are two other options - one is pricey, a powerline adapter kit - the other's not pricey at all, maybe just time consuming, run a hard wire

As mentioned in a previous post, I caved in and made running a hard wire a weekend project - I realize it can be quite a project in some scenarios and almost impossible in others - if you ever get into streaming BD/HD a wired connection is pretty much a must

Good luck in whatever you decide

There was a powerline adapter kit just on Amazon lightning deals the other day, I didnt stick around to see the rpice as I was out all day, but I have seen a few deals here and there for them :). Id suggest if goig the powerline route keep an eye on slickdeals\fatwallet and searching there as many times deals will be posted there for things like this.

gmd024
November 28th, 2010, 11:01 AM
There was a powerline adapter kit just on Amazon lightning deals the other day, I didnt stick around to see the rpice as I was out all day, but I have seen a few deals here and there for them :). Id suggest if goig the powerline route keep an eye on slickdeals\fatwallet and searching there as many times deals will be posted there for things like this.

If anyone persues the powerline kit scenario - I'd suggets to WD LiveWire - I tried a pair of them recently but had to return them because I determined my house wiring has two 'Legs' in the system - which would will be an issue with any brand/model kit

Chippyboy
December 2nd, 2010, 03:37 AM
I have returned my Boxee Box now, so will have to park this for a while at least.

OT to this thread, I know, but there's something else that concerns me.

I found out this week that the audio path in XBMC messes with the audio stream such that the output is not "bit perfect". I have never managed to establish if Boxee does bit perfect output, but would I be right in assuming as it's build on XBMC, the same would apply?

This in itself is a MUST requirement for me. Whatever device I choose is to be used as my source for my hifi (currently I use an Apple TV) and it MUST be capable of streaming bit perfect output, or I cannot use it. The AppleTV with native OS and Frontrow *does* output bit perfect and it works brilliantly with my dac and hifi. I can't go back to "mid fi".

Silver0066
December 2nd, 2010, 11:24 AM
If anyone persues the powerline kit scenario - I'd suggets to WD LiveWire - I tried a pair of them recently but had to return them because I determined my house wiring has two 'Legs' in the system - which would will be an issue with any brand/model kit

You can plug in an Advanced Control Technologies CR-230 and it will allow the signals to pass through both legs. If you have an extra 240 volt outlet, just plug it in there. If not, you will have to wire it to the panel.


http://www.act-solutions.com/Products-Power.html

gmd024
December 2nd, 2010, 11:48 AM
You can plug in an Advanced Control Technologies CR-230 and it will allow the signals to pass through both legs. If you have an extra 240 volt outlet, just plug it in there. If not, you will have to wire it to the panel.


http://www.act-solutions.com/Products-Power.html

Thanks for the heads-up - but as mentioned I ran a hard wire - maybe the CR-230 will help others who don't have a hard wire option

Also - do you know of a way to determine if your residense is a single or multi-legged circuit - without ordering a powerline kit and finding out the hard way

vtxrider
December 2nd, 2010, 12:02 PM
If anyone persues the powerline kit scenario - I'd suggets to WD LiveWire - I tried a pair of them recently but had to return them because I determined my house wiring has two 'Legs' in the system - which would will be an issue with any brand/model kit

Not a problem, just get a phase coupler to allow the signal to bridge the 'legs'
I used one for a power line phone connection for the sat box. I installed it myself but if your squeamish about getting inside you service box any electrician can install it in 5 min.

vtxrider
December 2nd, 2010, 12:06 PM
There are two other options - one is pricey, a powerline adapter kit - the other's not pricey at all, maybe just time consuming, run a hard wire

As mentioned in a previous post, I caved in and made running a hard wire a weekend project - I realize it can be quite a project in some scenarios and almost impossible in others - if you ever get into streaming BD/HD a wired connection is pretty much a must

Good luck in whatever you decide

As I have 5 internet capable devices in my media center I also ran a hard line with an 8 port switch from the router. As I put in wall plates with the rj45 jacks it turned out very clean, and streams BR/HD perfectly. I would recommend this option to anyone who has the ability and home to allow it.

vtxrider
December 2nd, 2010, 12:10 PM
You can plug in an Advanced Control Technologies CR-230 and it will allow the signals to pass through both legs. If you have an extra 240 volt outlet, just plug it in there. If not, you will have to wire it to the panel.


http://www.act-solutions.com/Products-Power.html

Excellant option, and easy to use, I had to install a 'phase coupler' to allow my solar array controller to 'talk' to the system.

miamiboxee
September 29th, 2011, 05:55 PM
Has anybody found a workaround for 5Ghz 802.11N networks that does not involve tearing down the boxee box?

Did a quick test playing HD video on the network and using a wireless connection I'm getting 1.25 MB/s transfers (buffering every 30s or so). If I stream via wired internet its 2.1 MB/s and there is no buffering

darcilicious
September 29th, 2011, 05:56 PM
Yes see my response to your other post.