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newboxeeuser
November 11th, 2010, 07:42 PM
Lots of threads on the awesomeness of the Box, but lets have one spot for all the missing/broken prior features:


No Netflix
No Hulu
Nu Vudu
No Youtube HD (there but not working)
No Justin.tv
No last.FM
No Subtitles or broken .mkv subtitles?
No Genre sort or other sort for own Movies
No Genre sort or other sort for own TV Shows
No search for local content (conflicting reports)
TV shows now in 2 different spots (local and online)
Movies now in 2 different spots (local and online)
No background video
No manual "mark as watched"
No frequent monitoring of local content folders (kills HTPC OTA and other video usage)
Identify local files via IMDB not working as well as prior versions
No milkdrop visualizations for music playback
Any more?

Cheddoleum
November 11th, 2010, 07:44 PM
I'm looking forward to afp or nfs support. Gonna have to install samba on my file server. Feel like I'll have to wash afterward. :)

melll
November 11th, 2010, 07:47 PM
I'm looking forward to afp or nfs support. Gonna have to install samba on my file server. Feel like I'll have to wash afterward. :)

Huh? NTFS support?

It detects my 500GB NTFS formatted Hard Drive just fine, aswell as my 16GB NTFS formatted Kingston thumb drive.

Plays all my files, and even plays a 19GB Bluray Rip that I have from the hard drive.

Cheddoleum
November 11th, 2010, 07:50 PM
Huh? NTFS support?

nfs. Network File Service. It's a unix thing.

melll
November 11th, 2010, 07:50 PM
Lots of threads on the awesomeness of the Box, but lets have one spot for all the missing features:


No Netflix
No Hulu
No Justin.tv
No Genre sort or other sort for own Movies
No Genre sort or other sort for own TV Shows
Any more?



Might aswell put

No money printing option
Wont wash my laundry
Wont take out the trash

:P

Anything else?

:)

melll
November 11th, 2010, 07:51 PM
nfs. Network File Service. It's a unix thing.

Ahh, that NTFS, well then, hehe

newboxeeuser
November 11th, 2010, 08:37 PM
Might aswell put

No money printing option
Wont wash my laundry
Wont take out the trash

:P

Anything else?

:)

As far as I know Boxee software never did any of those things, so they aren't now "missing features".:rolleyes:

eldepeche
November 11th, 2010, 08:38 PM
I'm looking forward to afp or nfs support. Gonna have to install samba on my file server. Feel like I'll have to wash afterward. :)

I know what you mean, but it's really really easy. Took me about 15 minutes, because I insisted on reading through all the info in the included configuration file.

Besides, I don't foresee them adding any other protocols, since SMB is built into Windows and OS X and Samba is available for every *nix OS.

stottlem
November 11th, 2010, 08:41 PM
No TV Tuner support
No external dvd/bluray support

JNM
November 11th, 2010, 09:02 PM
Milk-drop Visualizations is in 0.9.23.15885, not in 1.0 (at least not on the Boxee Box)
Music browser features have been scaled back from 0.9.23
Photos too.

EDIT: I was wrong, 'repositories' is under 'apps'. I must have been blind.

mojo6911
November 11th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Might aswell put

No money printing option
Wont wash my laundry
Wont take out the trash

:P

Anything else?

:)

To be fair, all of this was promised. Netflix is still shown as a "partner" at the bottom of the official website. Blatent false advertising, IMO.

joeglens
November 11th, 2010, 09:15 PM
To be fair, all of this was promised. Netflix is still shown as a "partner" at the bottom of the official website. Blatent false advertising, IMO.

well because netflix is still available on the software version of boxee

Cheddoleum
November 11th, 2010, 09:24 PM
Besides, I don't foresee them adding any other protocols, since SMB is built into Windows and OS X and Samba is available for every *nix OS.

In one of the threads afp and nfs were promised as future features. I'm not going to let that keep me from using it (I gritted my teeth and installed and configured samba -- works fine) but it seems absurd to have to use a network filesystem protocol for Boxee that I don't use for anything else, one that is hard to secure and leaks information all over the place.

That said, the development team has much bigger fish to fry.

kansei
November 11th, 2010, 11:02 PM
one that is hard to secure and leaks information all over the place.

All over the place = all over.. your private home network? Why worry?

Cheddoleum
November 11th, 2010, 11:14 PM
All over the place = all over.. your private home network? Why worry?

That would be a long discussion; windows networking is remarkably good at leaking information outside your home network. If you use a windows machine to VPN to a windows network elsewhere, you need to jump through some hoops to prevent it propagating information about your nodes and shares to the network at the far end. It's innately insecure and locking it down takes time and expertise. I would much rather simply not have windows networking. It's certainly far less work.

I might point out also that there are more usage scenarios for this device than the one you're picturing, that of a private network in a private home.

kansei
November 11th, 2010, 11:40 PM
That would be a long discussion; windows networking is remarkably good at leaking information outside your home network. If you use a windows machine to VPN to a windows network elsewhere, you need to jump through some hoops to prevent it propagating information about your nodes and shares to the network at the far end. It's innately insecure and locking it down takes time and expertise. I would much rather simply not have windows networking. It's certainly far less work.

I might point out also that there are more usage scenarios for this device than the one you're picturing, that of a private network in a private home.

I can't think of a usage scenario on a public network, and on any private network if you don't have a good firewall set up, it's not Boxee's problem.

Trust me, I hate Windows as much as the next guy (I manage Windows and Linux web servers for a living, guess which ones are way more high maintenance?)

Cheddoleum
November 11th, 2010, 11:50 PM
I can't think of a usage scenario on a public network, and on any private network if you don't have a good firewall set up, it's not Boxee's problem.

I'm not sure how far off topic you really want to get -- I'm not really here to go into network security so I'll skip describing the various scenarios where most of the various things going under the general term "firewall" are too easily compromised when you have the wrong sort of agent running on the inside of it.

Apparently SMB's great for you. Cool. I find it makes thing simpler not to use it. Eli revealed a while back that Boxee would eventually get one or both of afp or nfs, so apparently at least someone in Boxee thinks that samba's not the only way to go. If it doesn't happen I'll live, and if it does no one will make you use it, so as you say, why worry.

pettern
November 12th, 2010, 03:53 AM
Is the delete option on files still missing? That's one major missing feature then.

newboxeeuser
November 12th, 2010, 08:28 AM
Looks like the new 1.0 update VUDU is also now a missing feature.

http://forums.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=21865

newboxeeuser
November 12th, 2010, 09:21 AM
Looks like Youtube HD confirmed not working

http://forums.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=21864

stevo81989
November 12th, 2010, 09:30 AM
To be fair, all of this was promised. Netflix is still shown as a "partner" at the bottom of the official website. Blatent false advertising, IMO.

Its still available on the software version and will be available on the boxee box within a month or 2. Its not false advertising if half of the supported platforms support it...I guess :/

stevo81989
November 12th, 2010, 09:32 AM
Looks like the new 1.0 update VUDU is also now a missing feature.

http://forums.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=21865

I guess they had a last second set back from vudu. According to Avner it is coming very soon, so hopefully within a week...

l0th
November 12th, 2010, 09:32 AM
Feature missing:

_ search local media

Apps missing:

_ last.fm (to me that's a big one, it means the box doesn't scrobble)
_ French TV
_ France Télévisions

Show missing:

_ Grey's anatomy (and I suspect a bunch of other ABC shows that are not on ABC Australia)

stevo81989
November 12th, 2010, 09:36 AM
Surprised no one mentioned this. unless I am just a complete idiot, you cant play a video in the background. This is very good for things like watching baseball or hockey. During a commercial i would often hit the back button to look at scores of other games, even go into the twitter app and check some updates all while the video played in the background. Once the commercial was over, you could obviously tell when the game was back on, so you go into the video and pick it back up.

This may not be an issue with other video sources, but for baseball specifically, it is. last year MLB.TV didnt actually show commercials. it was a blue animated screen saying "Commercial is in progress". no sound, no nothing. I would honestly prefer a commercial, but none the less it is a good time to check up on other games. Any word on this?

haveringcottage
November 12th, 2010, 10:06 AM
you can add


No manual "mark as watched"

newboxeeuser
November 12th, 2010, 10:07 AM
Interesting, I never used background video but /i will add that and missing search missing.

Was the French/Australian stuff in Boxee .9 but not 1.0 ?

haveringcottage
November 12th, 2010, 10:14 AM
you can also add

No "frequent" monitoring of new local content (regression)

newboxeeuser
November 12th, 2010, 10:17 AM
Will add all that too. Looks like the same "identify video" functionality of the PC version is semi-broken on Boxee Box now too:

http://forums.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=21884
http://forums.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=21883

haveringcottage
November 12th, 2010, 10:19 AM
yeah i responded in that other thread... i am confused as to how this could have been made worse?

l0th
November 12th, 2010, 11:39 AM
Interesting, I never used background video but /i will add that and missing search missing.

Was the French/Australian stuff in Boxee .9 but not 1.0 ?

The apps for French stuff was available through the fuzzthed repository. That repository is still there but a number of apps are gone.

There's a confusion about the Australian stuff: Grey's Anatomy which is an ABC show used to be available but no longer is. It still shows in my Favorite Shows but it doesn't show any episode when you get in there. I was just pointing out that this show is not available through ABC Australia which IS on 1.0 (I'm actually not even sure that ABC and ABC Australia are from the same company)

stevo81989
November 12th, 2010, 11:55 AM
I had an email from Avner explaining the issue. His explanation basically said that some users were disoriented and we confused at how when they exited the video is still playing. Avner said they have plans to reimplement it but are trying to come up with ways to reimplement it in a way that makes sense. Im sure they could uuse all sorts of suggestions!

newboxeeuser
November 12th, 2010, 11:56 AM
Gotcha, there is so much talk about all the missing apps I don't even know where a complete listing is, if we get one I'll add it to this thread OP, but for now, what a mess trying to find all the missing apps.

newboxeeuser
November 12th, 2010, 11:58 AM
I had an email from Avner explaining the issue. His explanation basically said that some users were disoriented and we confused at how when they exited the video is still playing. Avner said they have plans to reimplement it but are trying to come up with ways to reimplement it in a way that makes sense. Im sure they could uuse all sorts of suggestions!

Interesting, I'd copy TiVo since they practically invented a good media GUI years ago (somewhat fell off). I think it was simply the down arrow button to swap Tuner 1 and Tuner 2 on their disc (great remote they had). Something like that might work, its "always streaming" until stream stops or you press stop. Toggle back and forth with a down arrow or similar (perhaps new) button.

ripper2982
November 12th, 2010, 01:17 PM
No Subtitles



Don't know what problem you're having with subtitles but mine work fine, in fact too good since they always show up on every one of my mkv files and not always the right one either. It seems that it will always select the last subtitle track on any video, for instance I had an mkv that had normal subtitles and a commentary subtitle track and it defaults to the second one.

I think it would be good to add an option in the settings to turning them all off by default.


No search for local content


Haven't had problems with this. Just start typing on your remote when not in a movie and it will open a search menu. Would be nice if local content was filtered to the top of the list though.

newboxeeuser
November 12th, 2010, 01:58 PM
Thanks ripper, I updated to indicated your experience.

iRoNBiLL
November 12th, 2010, 02:06 PM
Excuse me, but I was promised my Boxee box would transform into Optimus Prime, then play the game Transformers with my on my Boxee box... WHICH HAS YET TO HAPPEN!!

I was also promised my Boxee box would dispense my favorite cereal AND milk of choice into a bowl that breaks off from the Boxee shell and spoon feeds me while I crawl up in my blanky and bed...

I am returning this product unless I see Optimus Prime by next Wednesday!! I swear it!!

LOL! If you wanted to talk about missing features, you might as well talk about how Boxee also doesn't turn into a jet and takeoff! Really folks, you need to chill the **** out. You'd think these people have been watching advertisements for Boxee from NASA or something the way they scream over something not doing what it wants them to do... if you want something like this, find a slave or something because the Boxee box isn't a miracle, hand delivered from Jesus himself... it's an electronic product!!

How much can one person expect from electronics? The new question of our era.

iRoNBiLL

Peteostro
November 12th, 2010, 02:06 PM
I had an email from Avner explaining the issue. His explanation basically said that some users were disoriented and we confused at how when they exited the video is still playing. Avner said they have plans to reimplement it but are trying to come up with ways to reimplement it in a way that makes sense. Im sure they could uuse all sorts of suggestions!

Well this is an easy one to fix, have a popup come up an ask the user if they want stop the video or not. Also could have a check box to do this allways

stevo81989
November 12th, 2010, 02:16 PM
Well this is an easy one to fix, have a popup come up an ask the user if they want stop the video or not. Also could have a check box to do this allways

They do...do you own a box? Just curious. Basically when you leave a video, they have exacltey what you describe. But the problem is, is that the video stops. It use to continue playing in the background and you could always go back to the video.

rpmiles
November 12th, 2010, 03:20 PM
mtv and metacafe apps gone

newboxeeuser
November 12th, 2010, 03:26 PM
Excuse me, but I was promised my Boxee box would transform into Optimus Prime, then play the game Transformers with my on my Boxee box... WHICH HAS YET TO HAPPEN!!

I was also promised my Boxee box would dispense my favorite cereal AND milk of choice into a bowl that breaks off from the Boxee shell and spoon feeds me while I crawl up in my blanky and bed...

I am returning this product unless I see Optimus Prime by next Wednesday!! I swear it!!

LOL! If you wanted to talk about missing features, you might as well talk about how Boxee also doesn't turn into a jet and takeoff! Really folks, you need to chill the **** out. You'd think these people have been watching advertisements for Boxee from NASA or something the way they scream over something not doing what it wants them to do... if you want something like this, find a slave or something because the Boxee box isn't a miracle, hand delivered from Jesus himself... it's an electronic product!!

How much can one person expect from electronics? The new question of our era.

iRoNBiLL

I think you missed the whole point of the thread, which is detailing features that were already in Boxee but were now removed.

StevenF
November 12th, 2010, 04:35 PM
Scrolling stops at the bottom of the list instead of returning to the top

darcilicious
November 12th, 2010, 04:43 PM
Scrolling stops at the bottom of the list instead of returning to the top

That's never been a feature of Boxee, so it's not really missing (in the context of this thread).

(New) feature requests can be posted here: http://forums.boxee.tv/forumdisplay.php?f=12

StevenF
November 12th, 2010, 04:50 PM
That's never been a feature of Boxee, so it's not really missing (in the context of this thread).

(New) feature requests can be posted here: http://forums.boxee.tv/forumdisplay.php?f=12

Right you are

hawkesbury
November 12th, 2010, 08:14 PM
Boxee Team,

I still like Boxee a lot, but I am pretty upset about changing so much on launch day. However, only three things really, really bug me.


Putting our local media/'files' to the side. I want the option to make my local media front and center. I would like them to be displayed first under the main 'Shows' and 'Movies' sections, without going to 'Files' first.

Live (or more frequent) change detection for watch directories. I want to be able to drop a video into a shared folder on my PC, then go sit down on the couch and have this video appear when I browse to my Shows.

Big home screen change. I actually really liked the look of the 0.9 beta. It was fun yet classy. The new interface looks bland and like some type of 'alpha' product.


I would be totally in love with this perfect home media device if at least the first 2 of these 3 things were fixed! Thanks.

Sadres
November 12th, 2010, 08:23 PM
This feels like such a bait and switch. Please fix these issues in a timely manner - I don't want to return this product, but I feel duped.

JRoader
November 13th, 2010, 01:47 AM
This is a small feature, but I really liked having the ability to change the background image, I was really hoping the Boxee Box would have this as well.

Taylor
November 13th, 2010, 03:28 AM
Boxee Team,

I still like Boxee a lot, but I am pretty upset about changing so much on launch day. However, only three things really, really bug me.


Putting our local media/'files' to the side. I want the option to make my local media front and center. I would like them to be displayed first under the main 'Shows' and 'Movies' sections, without going to 'Files' first.

Live (or more frequent) change detection for watch directories. I want to be able to drop a video into a shared folder on my PC, then go sit down on the couch and have this video appear when I browse to my Shows.

Big home screen change. I actually really liked the look of the 0.9 beta. It was fun yet classy. The new interface looks bland and like some type of 'alpha' product.


I would be totally in love with this perfect home media device if at least the first 2 of these 3 things were fixed! Thanks.

I second all of these opines especially the first one. I can appreciate that Boxee is trying to push media streaming from various content partners, but the quality I get from the Canadian providers is pretty horrible. I would rather priority access to local content then streaming, or at least the option to re-order as I see fit.

heimschläfer
November 13th, 2010, 05:05 AM
I wanted to thank you all for posting early impressions and reviews.
Sadly i just had to cancel my pre-order as a result of all your experiences.

If i have learned one thing it would be: never buy a product for features that obviously should be added, have to be fixed, or are announced.

I dislike the evolution from 0.9beta to 1.0. Hopefully there will be a u-turn in GUI philosophy and approach to navigation. I hope all these changes have not been caused by the need for a business model.

Boxee lost me as a customer and i am afraid that Boxee might loose me as a user when 1.0 is released as a software download. I will sit and wait what direction the next software releases will indicate.

Sad.

Romdef
November 13th, 2010, 07:49 AM
Hi,

I'm surprised to discover no music icon in the menu bar.
What about this feature ?

king.incar
November 13th, 2010, 01:56 PM
how about changing the order on tv shows from older first or newest first! i just ripped all 13 seasons of south park and was going to start watch from season one but i have to scroll all the way down and then if i leave that menu i have to start all over, having to scroll all the way through all the seasons again!!! aaahhh! i hate this step back bullshit! why make us beta test all these damn months if they were going to do whatever they thought anyways? seems pointless...

darcilicious
November 13th, 2010, 02:18 PM
This is a small feature, but I really liked having the ability to change the background image, I was really hoping the Boxee Box would have this as well.

This is still possible with the Ambience app from the dir.fuzzthed.com repository.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4046/5172066629_be797b30ff_b.jpg

Big CAVEAT: If you power off your Boxee Box, the very first thing you will need to do is go back to the Ambience app and select a background again. This setting is not persistent through power cycles and the GUI will get messed up after a power cycle and not resetting the background. Use this at your own risk!

willieiso118
November 13th, 2010, 02:30 PM
Sorry if off topic, i'm a noob...

is there a listing of repositories,

of apps not showing on the app portion of my Boxee?

darcilicious
November 13th, 2010, 02:34 PM
is there a listing of repositories, of apps not showing on the app portion of my Boxee?

(If it's "off topic", then just start a new thread and then you'll be magically on topic ;) )

In answer to your question, please see: http://boxee.zendesk.com/entries/172605-adding-a-third-party-repository

bdquigley
November 13th, 2010, 02:45 PM
This is still possible with the Ambience app from the dir.fuzzthed.com repository.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4046/5172066629_be797b30ff_b.jpg

Big CAVEAT: If you power off your Boxee Box, the very first thing you will need to do is go back to the Ambience app and select a background again. This setting is not persistent through power cycles and the GUI will get messed up after a power cycle and not resetting the background. Use this at your own risk!

With just a new background, the home screen looks a million times better. The current explosion of gray just isn't satisfying on a large tv screen.

hawkesbury
November 15th, 2010, 11:29 AM
Yes, the background change makes a huge difference. This should be a built-in feature.

Also would be nice if we had more control over the 'featured' (-cough-sponsored-cough-) content that appears in the lower half of the screen.

stevo81989
November 15th, 2010, 11:34 AM
Yes, the background change makes a huge difference. This should be a built-in feature.

Also would be nice if we had more control over the 'featured' (-cough-sponsored-cough-) content that appears in the lower half of the screen.

I believe it is stuff that Andrew Kippen (I think he is the marketing guy???) finds to be fun or interesting. Im not sure if it is "sponsored" as you put it, rather a showcase of cool video's or new apps. Its a safe bet that Hulu and netflix will be front and center once they become available, but I doubt it will be placed there because they receive money for it.

hawkesbury
November 15th, 2010, 11:37 AM
I believe it is stuff that Andrew Kippen (I think he is the marketing guy???) finds to be fun or interesting. Im not sure if it is "sponsored" as you put it, rather a showcase of cool video's or new apps. Its a safe bet that Hulu and netflix will be front and center once they become available, but I doubt it will be placed there because they receive money for it.

I hear ya. I have heard the same thing, but is it so far fetched that there may be some type of monetary compensation now or at some point in the future in order to push content on the home screen?

Regardless, it would still be nice to set some type of category filter or something in order to have more control over this content. Or perhaps even be able to replace it entirely with content from facebook/twitter. Just a thought! :)

stevo81989
November 15th, 2010, 11:41 AM
I hear ya. I have heard the same thing, but is it so far fetched that there may be some type of monetary compensation now or at some point in the future in order to push content on the home screen?

Regardless, it would still be nice to set some type of category filter or something in order to have more control over this content. Or perhaps even be able to replace it entirely with content from facebook/twitter. Just a thought! :)

Yeah, I could see that becoming a source of revenue. Vudu has $.99 daily rentals, I could see that popping up on the home screen while vudu is paying for it. I don't personally see a problem with this mainly because the sales of the boxee box are probably not making them much profit. They need to make money as much as possible. Although I do agree they need to add another stream for facebook/twitter and stuff...

haveringcottage
November 15th, 2010, 12:16 PM
the sales of the boxee box are making them no profit... all boxee's revenue is derived from a cut of the premium content sales.

this is their motivation for pushing online content as much as possible and demoting our own local content to files (or at the bottom of the tv shows/movies lists)

stevo81989
November 15th, 2010, 12:20 PM
the sales of the boxee box are making them no profit... all boxee's revenue is derived from a cut of the premium content sales.

this is their motivation for pushing online content as much as possible and demoting our own local content to files (or at the bottom of the tv shows/movies lists)

I didnt want to say no because I wasnt sure, but i believe it is like the playstation. Sony lost money on every playstation sold but made money on the content. Thats how boxee will be. They gotta push that stuff to survive. Although, they need to make sure they keep up with local content and develop that section as well...

hawkesbury
November 15th, 2010, 12:22 PM
I totally understand. It just makes me sad because the quality of my local content far surpasses anything available through the web channels in Canada. I'd love it if my local content appeared first in the main Shows & Movies sections without having to navigate to Files or scroll way down.

haveringcottage
November 15th, 2010, 12:29 PM
this will be fixed.

its a shame it ever needed to be fixed though. it worked just fine before. how did they ever think users would be fine with it?!?

Beerlover88
November 15th, 2010, 12:40 PM
One of the things I miss most is not being able to right arrow to the scrollbar. Holding the down arrow key just doesn't cut it in long lists of music or movies.

theshadow
November 15th, 2010, 02:09 PM
Many of the music features missing.

Can't list by genre.

Can't build playlists.

Can't even play all. (At least with this and random I could skip through my music as I wanted)

ap90033
December 1st, 2010, 07:03 PM
Boxee Box doesnt play .WTV files right No Sound at all.

cvt
December 1st, 2010, 07:18 PM
No bookmarks in the browser

rberube
December 4th, 2010, 08:34 AM
No bookmarks in the browser

+1
This would alleviate having to retype URLs over and over.

I wanted to agree with CVT as this is my biggest request but I'll stop since new feature requests should be posted here:
http://forums.boxee.tv/forumdisplay.php?f=12

munckpeter
December 7th, 2010, 08:30 PM
When you browse and find subtitles Boxeebox dosn't remember them if you leave movie and come back to watch it again later on.
Apps for DR (danish television) are streaming very bad
Missing apps for Viasatondemand and TV2 Sputnik

xavier32178
December 7th, 2010, 09:39 PM
No bookmarks in the browser

There ya go:cool:

http://gigaom.com/video/boxee-box-tips/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+newteevee+(GigaOM:+Video)

Albertkinng
December 25th, 2010, 11:09 AM
Is there is Netflix or not? Im trying to get it on my tv but it seems impossible. At the same time i add that service to my account in boxee.tv so how you can addd that service online but at the same time you cant access it thru the box!? Help, meybe im doing something wrong

stevo81989
December 25th, 2010, 12:55 PM
Is there is Netflix or not? Im trying to get it on my tv but it seems impossible. At the same time i add that service to my account in boxee.tv so how you can addd that service online but at the same time you cant access it thru the box!? Help, meybe im doing something wrong

They have not released it yet. If they stick to their deadline it will be out by this upcoming week

pyrohtml
December 27th, 2010, 11:26 AM
No Vimeo app either...

alpocal
December 30th, 2010, 01:26 AM
This box needs a really much better browser, i cannot believe that it doesnot have functionality to save a link as bookmark...


Lots of threads on the awesomeness of the Box, but lets have one spot for all the missing/broken prior features:


No Netflix
No Hulu
Nu Vudu
No Youtube HD (there but not working)
No Justin.tv
No last.FM
No Subtitles or broken .mkv subtitles?
No Genre sort or other sort for own Movies
No Genre sort or other sort for own TV Shows
No search for local content (conflicting reports)
TV shows now in 2 different spots (local and online)
Movies now in 2 different spots (local and online)
No background video
No manual "mark as watched"
No frequent monitoring of local content folders (kills HTPC OTA and other video usage)
Identify local files via IMDB not working as well as prior versions
No milkdrop visualizations for music playback
Any more?

davefromcamp
January 4th, 2011, 05:10 PM
missed the deadline is it ever going to have netflix? Hulu is out which is a same that was a key to the possible large success of this project. I think it will be mainly an underground thing not a mainstream device. I like it but I had higher hopes and there is no communication. Remember a happy customer is the best advertising. I have had a ton of people buy WD TV live because they have seen mine and heard me talk about it. I would say boxee box is better but may not be worth the price if it doesn't have mainstream tv accessible ie all fox abc and nbc.

Now if they get this to work with ESPN 3 it could be a home run.

Entity
January 4th, 2011, 10:05 PM
missed the deadline is it ever going to have netflix? Hulu is out which is a same that was a key to the possible large success of this project. I think it will be mainly an underground thing not a mainstream device. I like it but I had higher hopes and there is no communication. Remember a happy customer is the best advertising. I have had a ton of people buy WD TV live because they have seen mine and heard me talk about it. I would say boxee box is better but may not be worth the price if it doesn't have mainstream tv accessible ie all fox abc and nbc.

Now if they get this to work with ESPN 3 it could be a home run.

http://blog.boxee.tv/

davefromcamp
January 5th, 2011, 05:58 PM
Whoopty doo, an iomega box that is $30 more than the boxee box for a $150 more for 2tb why not get a boxee ox and attack a $99 usb external drive to it and save $50. If they have an easy way to back up your dvds like itunes/wmp did for cds it will dominate. On top of it all seems like another product that won't hit the main stream. Instead of pushing for more partners maybe push to get the software fully functional. Ok chicken or the egg situation, ie hulu says yes only after x amount of devices are out.

I've seen that previous post, Netflix by the end of January? I'll have to see this to believe it. No hulu update still. Again unless you are into rare video blogs I don't see a great use for the boxee box. People are more impressed with the UI, and I agree it's the best visual appearance I have seen. And Still beats the apple TV which any one who has one tells me how easy it is they just 'buy' a season pass for $40 here or an episode there for $3. Giant Money guzzler.

Worth the $$? Maybe. If it was $150 I would say yes because of the rf remote and ease of search. When I installed the 0.9 on my computer I had hulu I believe. I was telling everyone I'm canceling my cable... I thought I would pick my favorite shows new ones would pop into my videos etc etc. Now when I watch a colbert report it stays in there after I watch it and on top of that it's put in there twice. Small bugs that I assume will be fixed but annoying. Maybe ready in a year and by that time someone else will come along. I have 2 other TVs and was planning on buying a boxee box for each. I'm waiting now.

davefromcamp
January 5th, 2011, 06:00 PM
This box needs a really much better browser, i cannot believe that it doesnot have functionality to save a link as bookmark...

It's not made to surf, only to access the video content on a site. Which could use some improvement but its good enough they need to work on other errors. If you want to surf you'll need a mouse etc. and google TV would be the better option.

neoranga
January 26th, 2011, 09:38 AM
I just got my new Boxee Box and coming from an original XBMC user in Xbox it's amazing how much functionality is dropped from the system.
I specially miss all the music stuff, it's impossible to make a play list, shuffle all or play some albums, there is even no section for music in the main application.

Sneckster
January 30th, 2011, 11:17 AM
I didn't realise it was missing some of these functions, No youtube HD makes youtube pointless and means the online side of things is even poorer in the Uk than I had thought.

No Last.fm is a bit gutting too.

Why am I going to spend £200 on tuesday on one a boxee box instead of a WDTV for half the price? Just for the remote?

GriZzlEnLS
February 8th, 2011, 12:15 AM
I didn't realise it was missing some of these functions, No youtube HD makes youtube pointless and means the online side of things is even poorer in the Uk than I had thought.

No Last.fm is a bit gutting too.

Why am I going to spend £200 on tuesday on one a boxee box instead of a WDTV for half the price? Just for the remote?

I feel exactly the same way. I feel like I was cheated. I noticed it on newegg. Went to the website, downloaded the software liked how everything was working. I then noticed reviews on newegg stating there was no netflix support. After a quick google search I found a thread stating it would be here by the end of the year. I put off buying a Boxee until a couple of days ago and I just got it up and running.

What a surprise this thing is.

I just sold my 360 which I only used for media. Now one of the biggest features I use is not on the system? I feel Netflix stating they are partners is false advertising. Now people may say "Well it works on everything but the Boxee", then why does it show the "Featured content partners" on the Buy a Boxee page? I will be returning this tomorrow. Thanks for wasting my $20 on shipping :)

Sneckster
February 8th, 2011, 02:01 AM
After playing with mine for a few days I can forgive it for not having Last.fm and have found or been pointed to other ways of accessing Youtube rather than the Youtube leanback with its awful performance. So all is good here.

As I am in the UK netflix was never a deal breaker as you can't get it here anyway, although pointing out some stuff is localised on the website might be a good idea if the box is meant to be mainstream.

Netflix wise I think if I were in the US I would be a tad annoyed with the way they make out it is on the box, and how the amazon site has images of the Boxee software including netflix, well it does in the uk amazon anyway.


All round though, I love my boxee box so far and it does more than enough video wise, just lacking in the music department.

yur_maker
February 8th, 2011, 04:36 AM
Agree's totally.

ezriderz
June 20th, 2011, 09:02 AM
I would add:


Video sub menu to adjust audio sync, video brightness, gamma, contrast
Ability to jump forward/backward 10 min with the up/down arrows as in XBMC
Submenus in Video and Music to allow renaming, deleting, moving of files off a Samba (SMB) connection.
FTP server to access the Sources, system and scraper XML files

I know I'll think of more soon as I post this. I'll have to return when I do. I've only had the BoxeeBox for one day and already I wish my original Xbox/XBMC could play high definition videos. Otherwise, it does everything I want to do.

I had hoped Boxee had carried all the features forward into a box that had the power to decode high definition MKVs and DTS. I don't know that this BoxeeBox is any better than my WDTVLivePlus other than having the movie posters and IMDB data appended, which I do like. But the lack of fine tuning ability that XBMC has is putting me off the Boxee.

darcilicious
June 20th, 2011, 09:25 AM
The "missing features" being discussed here are between Boxee OS software and Boxee Box, not between XBMC and the Boxee Box ;)

Boxee is not XBMC, it's quite different in its approach and goals. If you really want XBMC, then I'm afraid Boxee Box will continue to disappoint. If, however, you want Boxee software on a Box, then you'll probably be less disappointed ;)

sneakel
June 21st, 2011, 01:48 PM
I have logged an incident via the servicedesk but they replied it is "by design". Forwarded their knowledgebase article to them about how to use local music search and pointed them to this is a missing since a firmware update and should be appointed as a "bug" in stead of "by design".
I hope the Boxee engineers realize that you can't sell a "mediaplayer" that is unable to play music the way Boxee handles that right know.

Since I love the Movie library implementation I will Love Boxee even more if the fix the music playing abilities. Then and only then this box could get Killer Device status:-)

darcilicious
June 21st, 2011, 04:05 PM
http://jira.boxee.tv/browse/BOXEE-6559 known issue, very low priority as are all music-related items/requests/bugs at the moment.

ezriderz
June 22nd, 2011, 10:38 AM
Thanks for the correction. I understand that Boxee is a fork of XBMC and as such should have all the features therein, albeit not exposed to the user. I am seeking a way to have the BoxeeBox be an adequate replacement for my old XBox1 and XBMC, so that it can play high def movies as well as SD, but still have all the features of XBMC exposed and available to the user, namely, me.

Where would I find such a thread? I'm quite sure I'm not the only one who has such an interest.

Thanks

darcilicious
June 22nd, 2011, 11:28 AM
Thanks for the correction. I understand that Boxee is a fork of XBMC and as such should have all the features therein, albeit not exposed to the user.

Sometimes yes, and sometimes no. I don't know all the ins and outs but I'm fairly certain the statement above is not true across the board.

I am seeking a way to have the BoxeeBox be an adequate replacement for my old XBox1 and XBMC, so that it can play high def movies as well as SD, but still have all the features of XBMC exposed and available to the user, namely, me.

The Box is fairly locked down so I'm not sure that what you're asking is even possible. It might be a bit challenging but I would start by forgetting everything I knew about XBMC and see if you can enough of you what you want with the Box's current functionality.

Everything else will probably fall under "feature requests".

For example, from your list:


Video sub menu to adjust audio sync, video brightness, gamma, contrast
Ability to jump forward/backward 10 min with the up/down arrows as in XBMC
Submenus in Video and Music to allow renaming, deleting, moving of files off a Samba (SMB) connection.
FTP server to access the Sources, system and scraper XML files



#1 would be a feature request, it's just not currently exposed to the user (or possibly even available in the current code base, I just don't know)
#2 Up/Down in a video or music file is volume control in Boxee has been for a long time. Left/Right are for forward/backward
#3 Deleting files has been a long time and popular request that Boxee has never had as a feature
#4 Not sure I understand this one. What do you mean by Sources? In Boxee, Sources are your local media files, which aren't managed directly in Boxee other than adding, removing, and "identifying" (scraping/indexing). NFO files are stored next to the local media files, and these in turn are either on the externally connected USB drive or elsewhere on your LAN.

As for access to the system files, Boxee isn't likely to ever support this directly due to DRM requirements from VUDU, Netflix and other premium content partners. Even the media database that Boxee software manages is fairly inaccessible from what I understand.

Not what you want to hear, I know...

ezriderz
June 23rd, 2011, 09:22 AM
Thanks for the response. I agree that the BoxeeBox is inadequate to do what I want. It is pretty and good for viewing almost any video file, but without file maintenance so I can manage my TV shows, deleting episodes once they are viewed, it is not acceptable to me. And the default video settings produce a more bland and less bright experience compared to XBMC.

I've discovered that I can buy an Acer AspireRevo with nVidia ION graphics which will decode HD videos, and install XBMC on it. I'm now moving in that direction.

michael