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jron
November 12th, 2010, 09:32 AM
Loving the boxee box so far, everything works fine for me except for the youtube channel runs like poop and this specific issue I'm having with streaming.

I have a feeling that my linksys ethernet over powerline kit cannot handle streaming 1080p of certain movies from my PC (namely, Avatar, especially when they're out in the jungle with all the foliage, the movie is completely unplayable), even though the kit is rated to provide up to 240mbps of bandwidth. It just has to play catch up constantly, pausing every few seconds. Some movies played ok, we watched Scott Pilgrim Vs The World in 1080p and it only had to pause twice during the whole 2 hours.

When I get home, I was planning on putting the MKV movie onto my laptop and taking it downstairs to hook it up directly to the switch and streaming from there to see if I had the same problem, which would narrow down whether the kit is the culprit or the boxee box. If it does run well, which I suspect it will since one of my coworkers streamed a copy of avatar in 1080p hardwired no problem, then I'm going to try stopping at a retailer to pick up a different brand kit and hope that I have better luck. I was really hoping this would work so that I wouldn't have to find a way of running ethernet through my walls - it's an ancient house.

I wanted to find out what others experiences were with this kind of setup?

slimon007
November 12th, 2010, 09:55 AM
I bet it's the powerline, you are unlikely to be getting anyhere near the rated 240mbps touted on the box. Lot's of variables to consider and one being that the electrical wiring needs to be on the same breaker at each end of the network for starters. I did tinker with this at one point and improved the speeds by making sure this was true.

I use the 85mbps version and only use it for xbox gaming, connecting my Tivo and a slingbox with no issues. My siliconDust HD Home run didn't work so well through it so I spent a weekend running ethernet cable to it (nightmare). Problem solved though.

jron
November 12th, 2010, 10:25 AM
Yeah, my same suspicions - and I was hoping they weren't the case haha. I'll probably have some work cut out for me around the house this weekend.

Aelfric
November 12th, 2010, 10:40 AM
Depends on the version of powerline. Powerline equipment from a few years ago typically had speeds in the 12Mbps range. Nowadays, I see in excess of 100Mb with my netgear powerline setup.

However, to stream 1080p I find that 100Mbps is overkill. Even stream vob's, I don't saturate my bandwidth.

In short, it works fine on my boxee box.

dylm
November 12th, 2010, 10:45 AM
I have the Belkin Powerline HD gigabit kit - 1080p streams seem solid so far.

Also don't forget to update the firmware on you powerline adapters...

jron
November 12th, 2010, 11:13 AM
Cool, I didn't even think about updating the firmware for the powerline kit. I'll be sure to try some items out before giving up and wiring the house.

For those of you who are streaming files, definitely be sure to try something as intense as a 20GB Avatar MKV haha, it killed mine where other movies ran fine.

jcastro
November 12th, 2010, 11:36 AM
I have the Cisco/Linksys PLE300 Powerline AV adapters and I have no issues with 1080p.

A friend of mine had the same ones and he said he had problems with his Avatar 1080p initially, but shutting the encryption off solved that for him.

jron
November 12th, 2010, 11:49 AM
A friend of mine had the same ones and he said he had problems with his Avatar 1080p initially, but shutting the encryption off solved that for him.

Encryption. . . does he have some other application trying to stream things, or was that a setting in their router somewhere? You'll have to excuse my ignorance on that one.

dylm
November 12th, 2010, 12:48 PM
There's encryption right on the powerline adapters.

jron
November 12th, 2010, 03:19 PM
There's encryption right on the powerline adapters.

Well crap, that I didn't know. I will look into that.

jron
November 12th, 2010, 06:21 PM
@&#()!#&$ing linksys, their firmware update tool for my PLE300 just does nothing but sit in my processes when ran, and their configuration tool just errors out when I try to run it. So I guess that struck out for both ideas, I'll try picking up a new kit from another manufacturer to see if I can have any better luck.

aznetinfo
November 13th, 2010, 06:21 PM
My ripped DVD ISO movies work just fine. My problem is with tv shows from network websites. No video just audio. When I connect directly boxee to switch to router works just fine.

navigates
November 15th, 2010, 04:10 AM
I had the same issue. I got a new netgear performance router and I can now stream 1080p content without any issues! The net gear powerline 85mbps couldn't catch up!

marcel
November 15th, 2010, 04:46 AM
@aznetinfo regarding audio and no video what resolution are you using?1080i?

davpel
November 15th, 2010, 08:08 AM
FYI: Any day now, Netgear is supposed to come out with a new line of Powerline adapters which are supposed to provide up to 500mpbs. Now obviously none of us will ever see those kinds of speeds. However, those of us running the prior generation of adapters might see some improvement.

Personally, I own the last gen Netgear HD powerline adapters which are rated at 200mpbs. However, I was unhappy with the bandwidth and switched over to Wireless N adapters and, for the most part, have been satisfied.

gmd024
November 15th, 2010, 08:10 AM
Belkin and Western Digital offer powerline kits that are 'rated' at 1000 and 500mbs (I think) - but in any case as slimon007 mentioned, those #'s are deceiving and are not the #'s you need to pay attention to

I believe the specs for both of the kits mention that actual thru-put is around 200mbs (if the network parameters are almost perfect) - and also mentiond, 100mbs will do the job in most cases

I tried a WD LiveWire recently but had to return it - I believe my house has 2 legs in the power lines running through the house and this will not allow any powerline kit to function

I had pretty good luck using a wireless N Bridge, but still just enough stuttering that I was forced to run cat cable - the N brigde did much better in another house/set up because it was located closer to the router--not the case here

btw - most all of what I test my network with is BD/HD MKVs

jron
November 15th, 2010, 11:28 AM
Yeah, before I got the boxee box I first tried a wireless N bridge and that didn't go so well. A year ago I bought my 200mbps powerline Linksys kit, which did the trick with my 1080p compressed WMV's streaming to the xbox 360, but they can't handle 1080p MKVs for some movies. Netgear 85mbps kit was even worse. I ordered a trendnet 200mbps kit from amazon.

If that doesn't work out then I'm just going to return it, breakdown and start doing some wiring. To make life easier I'm just going to install the cable modem and router in my basement, and run ethernet outside following my cable line up to my second floor office where my PCs are that house all of my media.

jron
November 15th, 2010, 09:58 PM
Tried Trendnet's 200mbps kit, it actually did a hell of a lot better than any others but still ended up with a couple hiccups here and there. Wiring the house for ethernet it is then.

PlcGeek
January 1st, 2011, 10:50 PM
Hey Guys,
I read your forum on issues of streaming Full HD contents via powerline adapters (PLC). I just would like to share with you all that, I recently watched these video on YouTube. It looks like these guys may have the answers to all the inherent problems plaguing PLC adapters. You should see it for yourself. It it is true then is would be great news for us all.
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84C7k1dJzMw&feature=related
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV6Jn48Svvc&feature=related
3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQuQgf-T7oA&feature=related
All the best guys!

mrjohnyblaze
January 2nd, 2011, 02:03 AM
I use Netgear AV 200 products and consistently am able to connect at the rated 200 Mbps advertised speed. I have no problems streaming even the largest 1080p mkv to the Boxee Box. The Boxee Box NIC is limited to 100Mbps and I see steady files transfers to and from it at that full speed. I have a consistent 3ms ping from my server to the Boxee Box.

chaluga
January 2nd, 2011, 04:39 AM
I use Netgear AV 200 products and consistently am able to connect at the rated 200 Mbps advertised speed. I have no problems streaming even the largest 1080p mkv to the Boxee Box. The Boxee Box NIC is limited to 100Mbps and I see steady files transfers to and from it at that full speed. I have a consistent 3ms ping from my server to the Boxee Box.

so u can watch a 40 gig mkv file (avatar, inception)with no interuptions ? What kind of range can you get. I n my place it would be about 30 feet away in another room. I am a newbie with this topic. I already have a dlink dir 628 wireless router and I have it port forward and I can only watch 720p smooth. THe larger mkv ( over 8 gig) always are glitchy.

Kidloco46
January 2nd, 2011, 05:28 AM
Hey Guys,
I read your forum on issues of streaming Full HD contents via powerline adapters (PLC). I just would like to share with you all that, I recently watched these video on YouTube. It looks like these guys may have the answers to all the inherent problems plaguing PLC adapters. You should see it for yourself. It it is true then is would be great news for us all.
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84C7k1dJzMw&feature=related
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV6Jn48Svvc&feature=related
3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQuQgf-T7oA&feature=related
All the best guys!

Looks interesting indeed. Hope they will be affordable

mrjohnyblaze
January 2nd, 2011, 09:52 AM
so u can watch a 40 gig mkv file (avatar, inception)with no interuptions ? What kind of range can you get. I n my place it would be about 30 feet away in another room. I am a newbie with this topic. I already have a dlink dir 628 wireless router and I have it port forward and I can only watch 720p smooth. THe larger mkv ( over 8 gig) always are glitchy.

The largest file I have tried is 26 gig. The distance is 2 rooms away. Your results may vary. There are many factors that determine how well it will work in your home. You just need to try it and see, and be able to return if it does not work for your scenario.

The products that I am using were part of a kit which included
XAV2001
XAV1004
http://www.netgear.com/products/home/powerline-and-coax/work-and-play/XAVB1004.aspx

I also have the following product which uses an older chipset and claims 200Mbps but I have found it to be unreliable and inferior to the other products that I have which use a newer chipset. It has miserable performance.
XAV101
http://www.netgear.com/products/home/powerline-and-coax/simplesharing/XAV101.aspx

mrjohnyblaze
January 2nd, 2011, 09:57 AM
so u can watch a 40 gig mkv file (avatar, inception)with no interuptions ? What kind of range can you get. I n my place it would be about 30 feet away in another room. I am a newbie with this topic. I already have a dlink dir 628 wireless router and I have it port forward and I can only watch 720p smooth. THe larger mkv ( over 8 gig) always are glitchy.

The largest file I have tried is 26 gig. The distance is 2 rooms away. Your results may vary. There are many factors that determine how well it will work in your home. You just need to try it and see, and be able to return if it does not work for your scenario.

The products that I am using were part of a kit which included
XAV2001
XAV1004
http://www.netgear.com/products/home/powerline-and-coax/work-and-play/XAVB1004.aspx

I also have the following product which uses an older chipset and claims 200Mbps but I have found it to be unreliable and inferior to the other products that I have which use a newer chipset. It has miserable performance.
XAV101
http://www.netgear.com/products/home/powerline-and-coax/simplesharing/XAV101.aspx

PlcGeek
January 2nd, 2011, 11:19 PM
Looks interesting indeed. Hope they will be affordable

Well, let's hope & pray that these gadget would not be too costly. Cheers!:)

PlcGeek
January 22nd, 2011, 09:25 AM
Loving the boxee box so far, everything works fine for me except for the youtube channel runs like poop and this specific issue I'm having with streaming.

I have a feeling that my linksys ethernet over powerline kit cannot handle streaming 1080p of certain movies from my PC (namely, Avatar, especially when they're out in the jungle with all the foliage, the movie is completely unplayable), even though the kit is rated to provide up to 240mbps of bandwidth. It just has to play catch up constantly, pausing every few seconds. Some movies played ok, we watched Scott Pilgrim Vs The World in 1080p and it only had to pause twice during the whole 2 hours.

When I get home, I was planning on putting the MKV movie onto my laptop and taking it downstairs to hook it up directly to the switch and streaming from there to see if I had the same problem, which would narrow down whether the kit is the culprit or the boxee box. If it does run well, which I suspect it will since one of my coworkers streamed a copy of avatar in 1080p hardwired no problem, then I'm going to try stopping at a retailer to pick up a different brand kit and hope that I have better luck. I was really hoping this would work so that I wouldn't have to find a way of running ethernet through my walls - it's an ancient house.

I wanted to find out what others experiences were with this kind of setup?


It looks like this guy and company may have the ultimate solutions for streaming full HD via PLC adapters without much restriction from what the PLC experts may have mentioned if you want to have the optimum throughput & they are seriously looking for a global partner to launch their Surestreamer or PLC-CLLI. You should take a look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELANiUtMra0 it will be great news for all of us once we can get these interesting innovation at the nearby stores.

PlcGeek
February 19th, 2011, 11:26 PM
It looks like this guy and company may have the ultimate solutions for streaming full HD via PLC adapters without much restriction from what the PLC experts may have mentioned if you want to have the optimum throughput & they are seriously looking for a global partner to launch their Surestreamer or PLC-CLLI. You should take a look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELANiUtMra0 it will be great news for all of us once we can get these interesting innovation at the nearby stores.

Hi all,
Fyi...I have viewed the latest update from this Dude at you tube. It seems like they can do multiple streaming of full HD files (1080P). Check the other video update too on you tube at this links: See how Powerline-Ace empowers WD-Livewire Powerline Adapters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNOT7AD310I
See how Powerline-Ace is much more than just a line-noise filter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7clRAEHV6dw
I guess this should be great news for all the powerline adapters fans out there.

war59312
February 20th, 2011, 02:05 AM
That's cool. DLINK Should pick them up and include a set with BB. ;)

Pinion1313
February 20th, 2011, 09:21 AM
Hopefully that surestreamer comes out soon. I have the netgear powerline kits that are supposed to do "up to" 200mbps but they don't even come close. I can't stream high bitrate 1080p files over the powerline network. They beat wireless but they could still use a lot of improvement.

war59312
February 20th, 2011, 12:25 PM
Indeed, I own the same pair (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122233). And yea could only do 1 720p stream (at round 5Mbps) which took awhile to load at the start.

I ended up going with the NETGEAR MCAB1001-100NAS 270 Mbps MoCA Coax-Ethernet Adapter Kit (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122243) which easily plays 1080p (up to 70Mbps).

Both are very popular, hence why both are out of stock at the moment.

ScottAllyn
February 20th, 2011, 01:24 PM
One thing that would help to understand the current capabilities/limitations of the powerline networks is if people would actually share the bitrate of the files that they're successfully able to play over these networks. Stating that a powerline network can play "1080p, full HD files" with no issues is quite meaningless by itself. I've seen a 1080p file with a bitrate of 3 Mbps, a 720p file with a bitrate of 5 Mbps, and a 480p file with a bitrate of 8 Mbps. Of those 3, the 480p video would put the most "strain" on the network, yet it's the lowest resolution.

The Connection Rate/Link Rate/Link Speed reported on computers for the powerline adaptors is also fairly useless (except relative to other reported connection rates) since it's referring to a completely unrealistic best-case scenario; to get those speeds you'd probably need less than an inch of copper wire between the devices. A prime example of this can be seen in the video where the Powerline-Ace guy is demonstrating the Big Buck Bunny video on the PS3 and notes "some lag in both the audio and visual" while the Connection Rate is showing 54 Mbps; that's over 4x the bitrate of the official 1080p BBB file, yet playback stutters.

So what are the actual bitrates of some of the files that you guys can or can't play over your powerline networks? You can pull up the Codec Info window in Boxee by hitting Left-Alt+I on a keyboard or the Info button on an MCE remote. Or you can drag 'n drop the file into MediaInfo (http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en). There's also the Birds test files:

http://forums.boxee.tv/showpost.php?p=164821&postcount=21

kenneth.macleod
February 20th, 2011, 02:25 PM
My Netgear Powerline streams 1080p fine without issue

horvak
February 20th, 2011, 03:53 PM
Jron, I went thru the same as you and upgraded to 200's and all is sweet

horvak
February 20th, 2011, 03:56 PM
Devolo now produce 500av kits that are compatible with 200av's

war59312
February 20th, 2011, 08:01 PM
Not out yet either, http://www.devolo.com/consumer/prs923-devolo-at-cebit-2011-multi-room-3d-entertainment-via-powerline.html?l=en, April at the earliest.

The first adapters of the dLANŽ 500 portfolio will be available in stores in April 2011.

PlcGeek
April 23rd, 2011, 02:46 AM
That's cool. DLINK Should pick them up and include a set with BB. ;)

I hope & wish that some PLC adapter company out there have a good foresights and will incoporate their innovation into their existing PLC adapters product lines. Can't wait for this to happened...I am one of the avid users and strong supporter of PLC tech.

horvak
April 23rd, 2011, 03:11 AM
The 500's are out now, I have two of them, really awesome

War3333
April 23rd, 2011, 05:20 AM
Just to make clear.
The Boxee Box have a 100 Mbits ethernet adapter.
So having a 500 or gigabit powerline is not helping more than a 200 mbits one.

Maybe a 500 or gigabit could do better on a really bad home power grid.