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delicatepc
November 12th, 2010, 02:23 PM
Hi Folks,

I know Boxee is a engineered as a social online media experience and one of its greatest features is having the ability pull content from multiple online sources at a click of a button.

I am looking on methods/tweaks that can be applied to make Boxee NOT show that online media or at least regulate it to a separate section.

As of now if I want to view exclusively the content available via my local soucres I am required to go to TV/Movies -> Local Files. Its doable and it works.

But I would like to be able to reassign the default view of TV/Movies ALL/GENRE/RECENTLY ADDED as only things that are local appear.

Online media is great and everything however internet connection is not always stable/available. Also having a limited bandwidth makes getting things like 720P Hak5 episodes easier through a downloader NAS than trying to stream it over a internet connection.

In other words what can we do to get a more LOCAL-Media friendly navigation? For my needs most of my viewing will be local media and once in blue moon I may pursue direct online streaming. Having a switch that says "local media heavy vs online media heavy" would be great.

dpc

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EDIT 11/15/10
Team Member responds that issue acknowledge and being worked on.
(http://forums.boxee.tv/showpost.php?p=120709&postcount=66)Avner (CEO) replies to two users that issues is being worked on.
Tweet 1 (http://twitter.com/mattmaher/status/3461083046084608) - Avner's reply (http://twitter.com/boxee/status/3481958554279936)
Tweet 2 (http://twitter.com/obelix74/status/3276240391774208) - Avner's Reply (http://twitter.com/boxee/status/3282886501335040)
No ETA's at this time. Please let me know if you would like more info added to top of thread.
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murphybryanp
November 12th, 2010, 02:26 PM
+1

I support this.

cooldfuz1on
November 12th, 2010, 02:30 PM
+1 this is a must

diprip
November 12th, 2010, 02:31 PM
If someone could figure out how to do this along with fixing subtitle problems and rebuffering issues, I would love this box.

ripper2982
November 12th, 2010, 02:31 PM
+1 from me as well.

This is my biggest complaint so far of the BBox since it takes twice as long to play a local video file and can't sort it by Genre etc without seeing all the extra online garbage that get's lumped in there.

schreinereiner
November 12th, 2010, 02:31 PM
+1 - it's the hybrid experience that I've been looking for and so far not getting to the extent I had hoped

homerbryan
November 12th, 2010, 02:32 PM
There should be a toggle in the settings on whether you wish to view online content or local media via the main menu items....

darcilicious
November 12th, 2010, 02:33 PM
Having a switch that says "local media heavy vs online media heavy" would be great.

Would you mind if I moved this thread to the Feature Requests section so it doesn't get overlooked in this wash of Boxee Box help posts?

maxery
November 12th, 2010, 02:36 PM
+1 this is needed badly

stubro
November 12th, 2010, 02:50 PM
+1 Agree. I dont want all that internet crap movies I want the ones on my server and I sure dont want my kids seeing all the internet crap movies.

Nall
November 12th, 2010, 02:51 PM
This is a must.

darcilicious
November 12th, 2010, 02:54 PM
I think that if the Home Screen were adjusted properly and if more options were available for local content most people's objection to the new UI would be resolved.

I opened an issue (see the text below) -- if it's on track, post in this thread with comments specific to the issue as created, I will add them there.


Here's what I entered:

Need better navigation and options for local content

1) Home Screen is totally inadequate for local media. "Files" is not intuitive and selecting Movies or Shows immediately dumps you into screens with 1000s of items with no way to filter or sort to get at local content. The users in the forums are screaming about this.

2) Music and Photos needs to be brought back to the Home Screen. Either Boxee is a MEDIA player or it is only a VIDEO player. I fully understand the need to push premium content but it does NOT need to happen at the expense of local content. People LOVE their photos and their music collections, Boxee needs to respect that.

3) Local (video) content needs a complete overhaul regarding sorting and filtering options: there are no options to filter by genre or unwatched; and once the user has drilled down to viewing a list of episodes, there are not options to sort (oldest first is missing) or to filter by unwatched.

mikehawth
November 12th, 2010, 03:04 PM
+1 for me as well. This is along with the ability to sort personal media files be genre are the biggest things that I miss from the pre-1.0 release.

JasperKJ
November 12th, 2010, 03:10 PM
+1 for me too.

inxilpro
November 12th, 2010, 03:14 PM
+1

I tried to access the issue on JIRA but I get a permission error (I have an account and am logged in; can see other issues).

darcilicious
November 12th, 2010, 03:15 PM
Yes sorry about that, see the post or two above yours with the content of what is in their tracker (but not public, sorry!)

joshmess
November 12th, 2010, 03:25 PM
+1 - it's the hybrid experience that I've been looking for and so far not getting to the extent I had hoped

i completely agree. combining the two and adding social is the sweet spot. otherwise consumers are better off buying a googletv.

pcm2a
November 12th, 2010, 03:35 PM
+1 Make it happen by today :)

TurkVU
November 12th, 2010, 03:36 PM
+1 for me. Having the ability to sort all my local stuff by the date it was added/air date is essential. Being able to have the genre/watched filters only apply to local would be amazing.

spankadoodle
November 12th, 2010, 03:43 PM
Couldn't there be an option under network settings - Give priority to On-line / Local Media? One click switches the local to the top instead of bottom. Streaming media is available at the bottom.

demizer
November 12th, 2010, 03:47 PM
I bought the boxee box because I have tons of local content that I ripped from my blurays. I was very disappointed when bbox did not detect my mkv files correctly (properly tagged mkv files). I have tried renaming the files three different ways, and nothing is working right. Despite all this, I am keeping it because I can still play files from my linux server on the tv and that's what I wanted, but better file identifying is badly needed.

TLDR: +1 for better local support, it's the reason I bought the BBox.

delicatepc
November 12th, 2010, 03:48 PM
Would you mind if I moved this thread to the Feature Requests section so it doesn't get overlooked in this wash of Boxee Box help posts?Hi darcilicious, Its a reasonable idea. Perhaps we can keep this thread in General Boxee Help for now to help consolidate and let some of the thoughts be voiced in the general before moving it to feature requests? I feel a lot of users may forgo the feature requests area straight to the Boxee general help. In any case you are the Moderator in this arena - you way is thee way.

Thanks for all the support and the possible ideas. If Boxee developers have bandwith and desire to adjust settings that concern this issue they will hopefully find a good source of info here.

dpc

darcilicious
November 12th, 2010, 03:50 PM
Cool, we can keep it here -- I've added the URLs for this and the other "UI" thread to the issue so developers can see what's being said on the topic :)

toph
November 12th, 2010, 03:58 PM
This is a huge +1 for me. I recall it was much easier to find local media in the pre 1.0 release I tested on a PC.

murphybryanp
November 12th, 2010, 04:10 PM
darc, your post is right on the money.

sethstevenson
November 12th, 2010, 04:13 PM
+1 from me. I actually like the new UI with the exception of this whole local content issue.

voodoofox
November 12th, 2010, 04:23 PM
+1 I agree, I did not bought Boxee Box (because it is not possible yet here), but these drawback will definitely make me reconsider.

I am waiting for these things to be resolved or at least to hear that it definitely will be resolved.

rfisher
November 12th, 2010, 04:32 PM
I like the new UI.

What I don't like is it taking 4-5 minutes to show my local TV shows.

200 series with 10,000 episodes.
Navigate to a show to see the episodes and then back to main show list ... another 4-5 minutes.
Screensaver kick in? Another 4-5 minutes to repopulate the list.

Factory reset twice ... same thing.

I run XBMC on my XBOX1 and it takes 10-15 seconds to list my TV library.
On 64 MB of RAM!!

If this is an artwork thing then they need to allow us to cache it on an SD card or USB stick.

Unusable.

firestream99
November 12th, 2010, 04:38 PM
+1 Absolutely want local content front and center or the BB goes back.

Peteostro
November 12th, 2010, 04:42 PM
I think Need better navigation and options for local content

1) Home Screen is totally inadequate for local media. "Files" is not intuitive and selecting Movies or Shows immediately dumps you into screens with 1000s of items with no way to filter or sort to get at local content. The users in the forums are screaming about this.


I have not played with my Boxee box yet but Doesn't the Shows/Files & Moves/Files show only your local stuff?

Heres an image
[added as (smaller) attachement]

darcilicious
November 12th, 2010, 04:48 PM
That is not a screenshot of Shows>>Files but of Shows>>Genres with no indication which of those shows are local files or online sources. However, once you do select a show and episode, if both local and online are available, you can choose between them.

And yes, you can click on Files (not intuitive like I said) and go to shows and movies but then there are only two sorting methods and no filtering options (like I said).

Stryck
November 12th, 2010, 04:56 PM
I would really like this as well.

Previous software versions of boxee had a
"All Shows" and "My Shows" filter.

Ideally we could toggle one or both of them on, instead of always having them combined. It would be a pain to always have to navigate through 1000+ TV shows to find the shows you have stored locally. And the files method is less than ideal and defeats the purpose of having them listed by show.

BrineRobertos
November 12th, 2010, 04:57 PM
Huge +1 for me as well.

It shouldn't be too complicated - just tell your engineers to look at the previous versions, (pre 1.0) for near perfection in performance and sorting of local content. I feel like you overhauled so much with v1 under the hood and lost the power of the old version on top of throwing in all the internet garbage. It's like doing a Youtube search along with looking at my local content that I own and am just trying to access. It breaks my heart to see Boxee take a turn like that right on launch day. It's reckless really.

jokeyrhyme
November 12th, 2010, 05:08 PM
High-quality bought-and-paid-for media over a local network definitely beats hitting YouTube or having to pay on online again to play something. Add to that the fact that we probably won't ever have the option to pay outside of the US.

Definitely a +1 from me.

I'm an old-school XBMC user and local media playback is my primary reason for not buying an AppleTV (iTunes, yuck!) or a Google TV.

jmh918
November 12th, 2010, 05:22 PM
+1 for me!

Darcilicious, why not present these features as customizable options to the end user?
Everyone is familiar with the customization of their home screens on their Android, iOS, Palm and Blackberry devices. So why not give the Boxee home screen the same treatment? You get 5 or 6 slots and present the user with ALL of their options (Home, Photos, Music, Video, Movies, Apps, Social, etc.), and allow the user to decide which ones he prefers on his home screen. You could run a poll but you're never going to get even half of the users to agree on the same 5 shortcuts, so just let us choose!

Tripps
November 12th, 2010, 05:23 PM
Add me to this list as well. I would like to see my own media first.

gmd024
November 12th, 2010, 05:28 PM
Hi Folks,

I know Boxee is a engineered as a social online media experience and one of its greatest features is having the ability pull content from multiple online sources at a click of a button.

I am looking on methods/tweaks that can be applied to make Boxee NOT show that online media or at least regulate it to a separate section.

As of now if I want to view exclusively the content available via my local soucres I am required to go to TV/Movies -> Local Files. Its doable and it works.

But I would like to be able to reassign the default view of TV/Movies ALL/GENRE/RECENTLY ADDED as only things that are local appear.

Online media is great and everything however internet connection is not always stable/available. Also having a limited bandwidth makes getting things like 720P Hak5 episodes easier through a downloader NAS than trying to stream it over a internet connection.

In other words what can we do to get a more LOCAL-Media friendly navigation? For my needs most of my viewing will be local media and once in blue moon I may pursue direct online streaming. Having a switch that says "local media heavy vs online media heavy" would be great.

dpc

Unless "I'm" the one that's missing someting here, I keep seeing how hard it is by 'Many' to access local content

If it's properly shared, it shows this way... - turn on the BBox - click home screen/files - then scroll down below the "Local files and network shares" and simply choose where it's located - in my case it's on a few different HDDs and/or an HP Media Server - all of the many Tbs of DVD/BD ISO and MKV rips are there in about 5 or 6 seconds of scrollong/clicking (be advised the BD ISOs have issues over the network - but not the BD MKVs)

Not a big deal and just a little different that way this same content was accessed in the Boxee app - but non-the-less - still very easily and quickly accessable

emodro
November 12th, 2010, 05:37 PM
+20 I could care less about the 2000 straight to dvd movies that are on there, as well as the un customizable bottom half of the home screen i don't watch music videos get vevo off my screen. Also Tv shows? I have my own i don't care that you have 2 episodes of how i met your mother from season 6. Also i ripped my lost dvd's to my hd, named them lost-01-01-pilot.avi and they didn't get picked up automatically, no problem, but when i go identify it tells me "unable to bring the movie details." There should be an option to select which online sources we would like (or none), and an option (like on the pc app) to create shortcuts for apps etc. Moving all the content i care about over to files? at least let me have files as the first button then.

Aelfric
November 12th, 2010, 05:49 PM
Big +1 for me as well. I bought the boxee box for the primary use of watching my local content. Boxee Beta did this very well. Boxee 1.0 does not.

However, I disagree with Darc's position that fixing this will solve the new ui complaints... I also think that the new ui is a huge step backwards in usability, look and feel, and ease of use.

hdmax
November 12th, 2010, 07:50 PM
I ordered a Boxee Box because of the beta for PC/Ubuntu software was great. (Only issue with it was resetting to default each time it was restarted, and it had a tendency to crash.

I have not received my BB due to Amazon selling out, I will receive it on the 16th.

I can hear the Lawyers chomping at the bit already! The Boxee Box sold because of the PC version working so well, now they make an update mandatory, which changes to device to something we did not buy.

If this isn't resolved soon there will be a Class Action Law Suit! Not to mention yet another media disaster/flop.

myko
November 13th, 2010, 08:16 AM
Would love to have this functionality (back) in Boxee!

Essjayt
November 13th, 2010, 09:11 AM
I've cancelled my order with Amazon UK and won't be buying a boxee box until, as a minimum, this feature is implemented.

There's also one keynoting missing from the request, the ability to monitor sources as you can on the PC/Mac version. If I add something to my share,nit should be available immediately, just like it used to be.

I've got a PS3 that I currently use to steam video to. I hate it. Having to navigate through the filesystem to find one video in amongst 10,000+ is not intuitive andnreally shouldn't be the way we do things in 2010. Boxee on my mac is near perfect, it solved all the problems I have with the PS3 and there's very little I'd change. Now I find out that accessing my local content on the boxee box, that I've had preordered for months, is even more onerous than the PS3. I'm so disappointed.

Order cancelled, maybe I'll look at something like a Mac Mini with Plex instead.

BrineRobertos
November 13th, 2010, 12:27 PM
Boxee 1.0 = New Coke. I hope we can get our Coca-Cola Classic back or at least classic Boxee functionality in a timely fashion. I didnt wait a year and pay $200 to be a beta tester on a bait and switch campaign.

adamspruijt
November 13th, 2010, 01:25 PM
Agreed, end of the day we need more options.

chill8
November 13th, 2010, 01:34 PM
+1 for me!

dasuberes
November 13th, 2010, 01:36 PM
+1 - it's the hybrid experience that I've been looking for and so far not getting to the extent I had hoped

EXACTLY. when i starting reading about boxee box, i downloaded boxee on my computer and loved how it gave equal (at least) attention to local media. it seems to be the perfect set up for using your local content with intergration of web. however, post boxee box release, they have taken a HUGE turn towards web-content, almost completely shunned local content (besides 1 generic FILES tab). i dont understand why. the reason i was so excited about boxee over all the other streams was the emphasis on local content, being able to see YOUR stuff whenever you wanted. i really hope they reconsidered their design.

id love to see the old menu return, the ones with PHOTOS, MUSIC, MOVIES, etc; having all media types right there on the main menu with a dedicated section, with emphasis on your locally stored files, with the option of grabbing it online. please boxee, go back to your old ways

didatofik
November 13th, 2010, 01:39 PM
+1 this is a must
id love to see the old menu return, the ones with PHOTOS, MUSIC, MOVIES, etc

dasuberes
November 13th, 2010, 01:40 PM
+1 for me!

Darcilicious, why not present these features as customizable options to the end user?
Everyone is familiar with the customization of their home screens on their Android, iOS, Palm and Blackberry devices. So why not give the Boxee home screen the same treatment? You get 5 or 6 slots and present the user with ALL of their options (Home, Photos, Music, Video, Movies, Apps, Social, etc.), and allow the user to decide which ones he prefers on his home screen. You could run a poll but you're never going to get even half of the users to agree on the same 5 shortcuts, so just let us choose!

yes! i asked this in another thread if well be about to choose our shortcuts, and i got a firm "No." why? no idea, but i dont see why the menus has to be so internet video focused!! give us back our mediaaaaa

didatofik
November 13th, 2010, 01:43 PM
+1 for me!

Darcilicious, why not present these features as customizable options to the end user?
Everyone is familiar with the customization of their home screens on their Android, iOS, Palm and Blackberry devices. So why not give the Boxee home screen the same treatment? You get 5 or 6 slots and present the user with ALL of their options (Home, Photos, Music, Video, Movies, Apps, Social, etc.), and allow the user to decide which ones he prefers on his home screen. You could run a poll but you're never going to get even half of the users to agree on the same 5 shortcuts, so just let us choose!

Hey, Boxee team, listen to this guy, read this quote!

ghostie
November 13th, 2010, 01:47 PM
+1 from me...

mojo6911
November 13th, 2010, 02:00 PM
[B][hey have taken a HUGE turn towards web-content, almost completely shunned local content (besides 1 generic FILES tab). i dont understand why.

This is based on $$$$. Advertisers don't make money if you are watching local content, so they are trying to push you towards online content.

didatofik
November 13th, 2010, 03:07 PM
To mister moderator:

Stop censoring people's posts when trying to voice the existence of alternative choice for playing our own local medias.


If a post is civil and decent, no need to censor it. Are you in china?


Edit: Thank you , now it is not censored anymore :)

didatofik
November 13th, 2010, 03:09 PM
This is based on $$$$. Advertisers don't make money if you are watching local content, so they are trying to push you towards online content.

Well, i 'll wait 25 days until i return my boxee to amazon.

The clock is ticking. 25 days:)

darcilicious
November 13th, 2010, 03:16 PM
To mister moderator:

Stop censoring people's posts when trying to voice the existence of alternative choice for playing our own local medias. If a post is civil and decent, no need to censor it. Are you in china?
Edit: Thank you , now it is not censored anymore :)

Please note that some posts are inadvertently caught by the automatic spam detector and get moderated automatically. Sometimes it gets it wrong. If you find this happening to one of your posts, PM me, JudgeSChambers, or gmd024 and we'll get it sorted out as soon as we can.

burnsaa
November 13th, 2010, 03:40 PM
@mattmaher pls send me your biggest issues. we're going to try and address the local files accessibility with a quick fix avner [AT] boxee
about 3 hours ago via web in reply to mattmaher

Well it looks like they are listening and doing something about it. Have to say how cool is that that the CEO responds to peoples tweets.

newsboys92
November 13th, 2010, 04:25 PM
+1
this is the main reason I bought the box, too - for a hybrid experience, but when it comes down to it, it's most important for me that it plays my local content smoothly with a nice interface. If it doesn't I may have to go back to my PS3, which needs to use a media server to play MKV files :-/ It's lose/lose right now.

pettern
November 13th, 2010, 04:49 PM
+1

Seems like an obvious and simple enhancement to better be able to view and manage local (and of NAS) content. This must include option to delete files etc. too.

tabarouette
November 13th, 2010, 04:56 PM
FYI Avner has said on twitter they will fix this ASAP:

tweet 1 (http://twitter.com/mattmaher/status/3461083046084608) - Avner's reply (http://twitter.com/boxee/status/3481958554279936)

Tweet 2 (http://twitter.com/obelix74/status/3276240391774208) - Avner's Reply (http://twitter.com/boxee/status/3282886501335040)

tboooe
November 13th, 2010, 05:30 PM
+1
this is the main reason I bought the box, too - for a hybrid experience, but when it comes down to it, it's most important for me that it plays my local content smoothly with a nice interface. If it doesn't I may have to go back to my PS3, which needs to use a media server to play MKV files :-/ It's lose/lose right now.

+1

So far the WD Live has outperformed both the BB and Popbox in this regard.

CiTroNaK
November 13th, 2010, 06:31 PM
+1 ! I expect what I used several months on my Mac (and I loved it), so why the hell is different? !

Quechua
November 13th, 2010, 07:33 PM
I think that if the Home Screen were adjusted properly and if more options were available for local content most people's objection to the new UI would be resolved.

I disagree completely. I do NOT understand the need to push premium content. I don't want it pushed to me after I paid the 200$ for a piece of equipment that I understood would function like the beta software. I want it ONLY for local content - 99.9% of online "premium" content is utter trash. I have never watched a single online video through Boxee and don't expect I will ever have reason to. I can get everything in higher bitrates and faster outside of Boxee.

The original poster had the right idea. Give us an option to set it up according to OUR needs - not the needs of some content provider - we paid for the box we aren't renting it. This isn't my cable PVR box that I get for free. If this can't be done then I'll go back to a custom htpc and return the BBox.

What we need is a way to completely minimize/marginalize/hide "premium" or online content.

jasmel
November 13th, 2010, 07:37 PM
+1 Also wondering why it's not filling in the blanks on my TV episodes (like PC version)

Andrew-ACT
November 13th, 2010, 07:46 PM
Hi Folks,

I know Boxee is a engineered as a social online media experience and one of its greatest features is having the ability pull content from multiple online sources at a click of a button.

I am looking on methods/tweaks that can be applied to make Boxee NOT show that online media or at least regulate it to a separate section.

As of now if I want to view exclusively the content available via my local soucres I am required to go to TV/Movies -> Local Files. Its doable and it works.

But I would like to be able to reassign the default view of TV/Movies ALL/GENRE/RECENTLY ADDED as only things that are local appear.

Online media is great and everything however internet connection is not always stable/available. Also having a limited bandwidth makes getting things like 720P Hak5 episodes easier through a downloader NAS than trying to stream it over a internet connection.

In other words what can we do to get a more LOCAL-Media friendly navigation? For my needs most of my viewing will be local media and once in blue moon I may pursue direct online streaming. Having a switch that says "local media heavy vs online media heavy" would be great.

dpc

As an Australian who is about to receive his Boxee Box tomorrow, I am not very happy to hear about the changes v1.0 has introduced.

We cannot access most of the online content that those in the US can, which means that an online centric approach is not very useful.

I purchased the Boxee Box to access my local media, including video, music and photos.

Not only are we paying AUD$299 for the Boxee Box at a time when the Australian dollar is at parity with the US dollar, but the interface has been changed to something less useful to us.

I have 14 days to return it for a refund. My intention is to prevent the upgrade from 0.9 until the issues with local media are addressed. If this doesn't happen within 14 days, I'll have no choice but to return it.

I will give the Boxee Box a chance, but I'm starting to regret my decision to get it instead of a Zotac ZBOX + XBMC.

kompakt
November 13th, 2010, 08:01 PM
As an Australian who is about to receive his Boxee Box tomorrow, I am not very happy to hear about the changes v1.0 has introduced.

We cannot access most of the online content that those in the US can, which means that an online centric approach is not very useful.

I purchased the Boxee Box to access my local media, including video, music and photos.

Not only are we paying AUD$299 for the Boxee Box at a time when the Australian dollar is at parity with the US dollar, but the interface has been changed to something less useful to us.

I have 14 days to return it for a refund. My intention is to prevent the upgrade from 0.9 until the issues with local media are addressed. If this doesn't happen within 14 days, I'll have no choice but to return it.

I will give the Boxee Box a chance, but I'm starting to regret my decision to get it instead of a Zotac ZBOX + XBMC.

Ditto Andrew. While I'd like to hang out longer for a resolution, at $299 for this device I'll take advantage of being able to return it in 14 days and get my money back. For an extra $50 - $100, I think I'll go the HTPC route with an Acer Revo 3600 - added bonus of being able to run boxee the way I wanted to, along with trying out other media servers as well (XBMC, Plex, WMC etc).

Very disappointed after trying out the beta for 24 hours, which convinced me to go pre-order and hand over the $300, only to discover that what was previewed isn't what is in the box.

didatofik
November 14th, 2010, 07:02 AM
@mattmaher pls send me your biggest issues. we're going to try and address the local files accessibility with a quick fix avner [AT] boxee
about 3 hours ago via web in reply to mattmaher

Well it looks like they are listening and doing something about it. Have to say how cool is that that the CEO responds to peoples tweets.

Did they fix it yet?

marcel
November 14th, 2010, 07:14 AM
Guys it has not be fixed yet and we are going over all your comments and will be releasing updates asap to fix the issues

gschep
November 14th, 2010, 07:20 AM
good news - I hope :)

Guys it has not be fixed yet and we are going over all your comments and will be releasing updates asap to fix the issues

dslate69
November 14th, 2010, 10:16 AM
I think the quickest fix for most of the complaints would be additional options under settings.
1.) default view for movies = files\internet
2.) default subtitles = off\english\etc
3.) play\pause button action when not playing media function = home screen\movies\que\etc (I Hope I will eventually will be able to configure the up and down buttons to skip big jumps instead of control volume)
4.) Reddit's new App = SUCK (I know it isn't specific to Boxee Box)
5.) Customization as to what online media it uses to build my choices. If I don't want it to include "Indie Movies" or any "Standard Definition" titles I should be able to uncheck them and my feed will react accordingly.

Oh and for the record I like the old pre 1.0 GUI but can appreciate some change like the settings for each page coming from above instead of the left. I just want more control over my user experience, whether Movies remembers my choices from last time I was in it or I can set a specific default view like mentioned above. I will also say I bought the Sony GoogleTv Bluray player and took it back. As bad as the some think the User Experience is with the 1.0 GUI, it is way better than GoogleTv for now.

hackztor
November 14th, 2010, 10:50 AM
Curious as to why these fixes need to be fixed now rather than before it was released. I would imagine Boxee would have sent out beta units to certain individuals. Was none of these problems reported? Was Boxee just trying not to delay anymore and get a product out to compete with GoogleTV and AppleTV? Having users pay 200 dollars for something that is not complete yet is not such a good idea? People want to believe in Boxee, but people also have mistrust with companies because of past problems with media streamers and will only hold off as long as their return policy allows.

chill8
November 14th, 2010, 11:43 AM
Guys it has not be fixed yet and we are going over all your comments and will be releasing updates asap to fix the issues

Thank you! I'm glad that our voices are listened, that's part of the package we paid for anyways.

pcm2a
November 14th, 2010, 12:16 PM
Curious as to why these fixes need to be fixed now rather than before it was released. I would imagine Boxee would have sent out beta units to certain individuals. Was none of these problems reported?
The units ship with the same .9 beta that is on the PC, so I assume the beta testers also had no idea about this change.

bitopito
November 14th, 2010, 12:33 PM
I'm so confused over this. Earlier versions of boxee could filter your local content and they took the ability away for the release? Why would anyone do that? The whole reason I got the box was to watch my local content, and the internet stuff is just an added bonus.

Also, how come the cover art takes so long to load every time my box is powered on? It isn't re-downloading every time is it? That sounds like a sure-fire way to get sites like imdb to really start fighting scrapers if we hit their servers for every video file we have every time we turn on our boxees.

darcilicious
November 14th, 2010, 12:36 PM
I'm so confused over this. Earlier versions of boxee could filter your local content and they took the ability away for the release? The beta version did NOT have a way to separate out local content for the old My TV Shows screen.

Also, how come the cover art takes so long to load every time my box is powered on? It isn't re-downloading every time is it? That sounds like a sure-fire way to get sites like imdb to really start fighting scrapers if we hit their servers for every video file we have every time we turn on our boxees.Boxee has its own licensed copy of the IMDB -- users are accessing that, not the imdb.com site.

tjwaggoner
November 14th, 2010, 01:06 PM
The beta version did NOT have a way to separate out local content for the old My TV Shows screen.



Boxee has its own licensed copy of the IMDB -- users are accessing that, not the imdb.com site.

I think that he is just saying that on the beta, you didnt have to go to "files" and then different sub-menus to get to your local content. You could go to "tv shows" and there they were if you had it set to show up that way. It is my biggest reason for planning on returning this box. I think they grossly mis-led people with this product and I have a love-hate thing with it right now. I love the hardware, the idea, the "possibility", but I hate the execution, the "step-backwards", and the bait/switch that was performed.
Im going to give it a couple weeks but I will go out on a limb and say that if they dont fix this product in a BIG way before a lot of people walk out of walmart and bestbuy with them, it will be pulled from shelves before spring.

darcilicious
November 14th, 2010, 01:30 PM
I agree 100% that the navigation is (way) off the mark; however, there was never a way to "filter out local content" short of using the Files/Browser approach in the beta -- that's what was being asked about @bitopito from what I read.

tjwaggoner
November 14th, 2010, 01:33 PM
I agree 100% that the navigation is (way) off the mark; however, there was never a way to "filter out local content" short of using the Files/Browser approach in the beta -- that's what was being asked about @bitopito from what I read.

When you go to "movies" in the beta and go to the menu on the left, there is an option that says "show me" then you can select "my movies" or "movie library". That to most people is an option to prioritize local content over online content, which is what the poster was meaning to say (Im assuming here). I realize he said filter out local content when he probably meant "filter out online content" which is what that side bar menu allows you to do----and is what I along with the majority of posters it seems, wants returned to boxee.

farrelan
November 14th, 2010, 01:35 PM
+1. One of my boxes I have was meant to be for my kids for the soul purpose of streaming local content and nothing more. I would love to be able to cut everything else out and give them simpler access to what I have already downloaded for them.

darcilicious
November 14th, 2010, 01:40 PM
When you go to "movies" in the beta and go to the menu on the left, there is an option that says "show me" then you can select "my movies" or "movie library".

Right. And while the navigation sucks if you go from the main menu, then movies>>files, you will get you the same thing. Still possible, though in a sucky way.

Per my original comment:

The beta version did NOT have a way to separate out local content for the old My TV Shows screen.

RMS
November 14th, 2010, 02:52 PM
Same here. Spent weeks evaluating it on my pc then I get an apple tv sent to me. Boxee crippling their box and pulling bait and switch is disappointing.
I will play until last week of Dec then it's probably back to amazon.
I have 1000 home movies and hundred DVDs and even when I go through the
Local files it just bunches them all and even attempts to find imdb for my home movies! I mean seriously, know your customers and know what a real household that stores movies actually wants to do with those movies.
Very dissaponted, my samsung 9000 TV Has better media client.

mschmitt23
November 14th, 2010, 02:58 PM
+1

That said, certainly won't return the Box over the less-than-optimal UI or other annoying issues. Still a way better experience than anything else out there IMHO.

torro
November 14th, 2010, 03:11 PM
Online stuff should be put in one single category, whereafter the user can choose type of media and content

flynn
November 14th, 2010, 03:55 PM
+1. This is related to what I believe people are missing from the 0.9 UI.

RMS
November 14th, 2010, 05:34 PM
+1

That said, certainly won't return the Box over the less-than-optimal UI or other annoying issues. Still a way better experience than anything else out there IMHO.

It's more than the stripped down UI.
Picture thumbnails (wired network) take 5 seconds to generate
No thumbnail for folders with pics
No local search
No playlist for music
No wrong file option for movies
Local files take a back seat to online content
No way to filter online content for HD only
No picas or Hulu
Hulu plus and vudo not present on released product.
No way to organize or pick root folders for movies (like to choose to view a particular folder or share depending on what I'm doing (home movies, kids DVDs or other)
No way to omit shares from imdb (home movies)
No frequent scans
Problems not recognizing vob sequences in ts folders
Home screen might as well be 640x480, giant icons and 3 massive thumbs!
What a tragic use of 1080p real estate.

Overall not much has progressed forward since my xbmc circa 2001 except the online stuff but what made boxes stand apart from all the rest that tried to shove online content at me is the local fiile media browsing which has been crippled pretty hard.
Just saying, nice for some but not quite there. I suppose I can make a user for each movie folder I want to categorize but there is probably a limit there too.
If applesque was their goal, they manage to get there. Just remove a few more user options and slap an apple logo on it (probably being a bit harsh but I am just soooo disappointed)
Box look cool though :)

memonics
November 15th, 2010, 12:02 AM
+1 for me too
This is an awesome piece of hardware, I have been using WD Live for over six months now, and Boxee is hundred times better than that piece of junk. I agree with another poster that a way to customize home page would be fantastic. Fix few other things (UI improvements, speed, full screen videos in browser) and you got a superhit in your hand.

toowired
November 15th, 2010, 02:31 AM
I totally agree! love boxee box but dont have a need to have all the internet content so readily available!

RMS
November 15th, 2010, 02:48 AM
Ok things getting better. Resolved network issue by enabling guest account on my
Also, I increased the megabits size for option to skip indexing to avoid having my home videos become unidentified. This helped a lot.

There are a few things however that can really make this so much more practical.
For instance I have thousands of pictures, about 120 gigs and 100 gigs of home movies. Currently it takes 5 to 10 seconds to generate thumbnails (small or large) An option to pre generate thumbs would be very welcomed because when you feel like browsing your pictures, you don't want to use that time to create thumbs for a folder your viewing. The pre generate option could use a simple algorithm "when idle" to prevent chocking while you are using it.
Support for direct to video imdb titles when indexing. These represent 50% of my daughters DVD collection (Scooby-doo!)
keep video playing in background like pc version or at least an option.
Bring back mark as viewed and not viewed.
Shrink thumbnail back. I should be able to have 5x more thumbnails for my movies, again like the software version and it looks a bit weird on large screens.
Home screen is just way to simplified for many, ginormous icons and thumbs agains. Keep in mind large screens and projectors as options please.
Was a bit frustrated before, feeling a bit better now but really needs some of these little tweaks.
Thanks for posting tips

delicatepc
November 15th, 2010, 04:03 AM
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EDIT 11/15/10
Team Member responds that issue acknowledge and being worked on.
(http://forums.boxee.tv/showpost.php?p=120709&postcount=66)Avner (CEO) replies to two users that issues is being worked on.
Tweet 1 (http://twitter.com/mattmaher/status/3461083046084608) - Avner's reply (http://twitter.com/boxee/status/3481958554279936)
Tweet 2 (http://twitter.com/obelix74/status/3276240391774208) - Avner's Reply (http://twitter.com/boxee/status/3282886501335040)
No ETA's at this time. Please let me know if you would like more info added to top of thread.
=================

Updated first post to reflect some Boxee team responses. Please let me know if you would like more info linked or added.

Thanks everyone thus far for letting your concerns be known and presenting possible solutions to the Boxee folks. One solution or alternative I have not seen mentioned in this thread is the thought of using an alternate OS/overlay such as a XBMC or something similar. Personally for me I have been really liking the Boxee hardware in conjunction with a FreeNAS box+Netgear WNDR3700 Wireless N router for wireless streaming of local media.

dpc

stefjnl
November 15th, 2010, 04:16 AM
+1.. my main concern with the 1.0 firmware. (local) Movies, Photos, Music should be readily available, like in the beta firmware. ironically, this seems to be the #1 issue for most buyers, yet the one flaw that could have been easily avoided had they communicated these changes properly before release..

hawkesbury
November 15th, 2010, 11:43 AM
Absolutely! This is my #1 concern with the 1.0 firmware over the 0.9 beta. More frequent local media scanning is a big concern as well.

darcilicious
November 15th, 2010, 11:45 AM
Per my post near the start of this thread: http://forums.boxee.tv/showpost.php?p=119121&postcount=12 I opened an issue on the tracker regarding making changes to the current UI. (I think the chances of going back to .9 are next to nil, personally).

However, if you would like to vote for UI changes along the lines that I proposed, then you now can do so:

http://jira.boxee.tv/browse/BOXEE-6926

You'll need to register and then use the "More Actions" menu, near the top left part of the page and then select "Vote". You can also "watch" issues which means you will get notified via email when changes/comments are made to that issue.

darcilicious
November 15th, 2010, 11:47 AM
. More frequent local media scanning is a big concern as well.

See: http://forums.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=22154

DocPepper
November 15th, 2010, 11:53 AM
+1 the main posters request. I have an unsteady 1mbit connection and everything is local. I was about to go over to BestBuy and grab one but am holding to see if an update comes in to address reported local media concerns.