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voodoofox
November 13th, 2010, 03:16 PM
Did anyone succeeded to pass through these audio signals using new Boxee build version .15885 since I noticed that there is that option now?

Or is that option reserved only for Boxee Box users?

jayman13
November 13th, 2010, 03:48 PM
I'm not sure. I pass DTS. What are those audio formats? Sorry for my ignorance...

Prospero424
November 13th, 2010, 09:38 PM
Supposedly, you need an ATi card from the 5xxx or 6xxx series for TrueHD and DTS-HD MA to be passed through over HDMI properly under Windows in Boxee. I've talked to several people who got it to work, and there are several threads for tips to use. I think, for example, that you also have to have the Realtek drivers installed for the audio chipset ATi used on the video cards.

These formats are mostly used on BluRay and with HD audio formats like SACD. Put simply, they're lossless, HD extensions to what is known as "core DTS", which you can think of as "vanilla" or "regular" DTS.

For example, a DTS-HD MA stream will contain the same 6-channel, 48khz "lossy" core DTS stream at 1.5Mb/s that you get with, say, a DVD, but then it will have this lossless HD data attached to it that can reproduce up to 8-channels of 24-bit, 96Khz streams at up to 24.5Mb/s. That way the DTS format can utilize the high-bitrate HD audio the massive storage capabilities of BluRay makes possible while still preserving backwards compatibility for digital audio systems that don't support these newer high definition audio formats. Here's the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTS_%28sound_system%29), for reference.

voodoofox
November 14th, 2010, 06:39 AM
Yes you need either video card that supports it or some other sound card that supports it. For example I have sound card Asus XONAR HDAV Slim which can do the same thing. And I watch my BluRay ISO files using some other software (Total Media Theater) just fine, and it passes TrueHD and DTS-HD MA through HDMI to the reciever normaly.

And I was very glad to see that new version of Boxee now has that option, but it seems that it's not working. I read on Boxee Box forum that it's working for them?

So I was wondering if anyone else gave it a try...

pdawg17
November 14th, 2010, 08:56 AM
Yes you need either video card that supports it or some other sound card that supports it. For example I have sound card Asus XONAR HDAV Slim which can do the same thing. And I watch my BluRay ISO files using some other software (Total Media Theater) just fine, and it passes TrueHD and DTS-HD MA through HDMI to the reciever normaly.

And I was very glad to see that new version of Boxee now has that option, but it seems that it's not working. I read on Boxee Box forum that it's working for them?

So I was wondering if anyone else gave it a try...

TrueHD works for me but DTS-MA does not...I don't feel like there are many people around here that have chimed in on whether it works for them or not...the sample size is not big enough...

ATI 5770 w/ Pioneer 1018

devin_mm
November 14th, 2010, 06:08 PM
TrueHD works for me but DTS-MA doesn't.

ATi 5670
Pioneer Elite SC-07

Wire77
November 14th, 2010, 10:45 PM
Works with Yamaha RX-667 and gtx460( 260.99 driver) and Ati-5750 (10.10 driver). But with Pioneer 1020k no go, only TrueHD :(.



Yamaha RX-667 and Nvidia gtx460 (260.99 driver) and Ati-5750 (10.10 driver) Windows 7 64x boxee newest beta.
TrueHD------------works
DTS-HD-MA--------works
=================================================

Pioneer 1020-k and Nvidia gtx460 (260.99 driver) and Ati-5750 (10.10 driver) Windows 7 64x boxee newest beta.
TrueHD----------works
DTS-HD-MA------not working justs flashes no signal lock.


Hope this helps someone. :)

voodoofox
November 15th, 2010, 09:49 AM
I tried with Asus XONAR HDAV Slim and ONKYO HT-R960 (amplifier that comes with HT-S9100THX) and no luck either with trueHD nor DTS-HD MA.

It works using some other software (total media theater) but not all (powerdvd doesn't).

Also I cannot play ISO file through boxee but that's another topic.

pdawg17
November 15th, 2010, 10:43 AM
Works with Yamaha RX-667 and gtx460( 260.99 driver) and Ati-5750 (10.10 driver). But with Pioneer 1020k no go, only TrueHD :(.



Yamaha RX-667 and Nvidia gtx460 (260.99 driver) and Ati-5750 (10.10 driver) Windows 7 64x boxee newest beta.
TrueHD------------works
DTS-HD-MA--------works
=================================================

Pioneer 1020-k and Nvidia gtx460 (260.99 driver) and Ati-5750 (10.10 driver) Windows 7 64x boxee newest beta.
TrueHD----------works
DTS-HD-MA------not working justs flashes no signal lock.


Hope this helps someone. :)

Not a lot of input here yet but I do see a consistent problem with Pioneer receivers and DTS-MA on Boxee...DTS-MA is fine using other software however...

QContent
November 22nd, 2010, 09:56 PM
I'm getting everything I can find working while using a Onyko HT R960 and a ATI 5750...(MSI) flawlessly, love it. It seems the changes are at the OS level, because even media player classic (Klite) is playing loss-less as well. If you install Klite to use Windows Media Player you could do it that way. I also tested using a Nvidia GeForce 450. (EVGA)

I have seen the following-
DTS-Master 5.1 (Various..)
DTS-HD 5.1 (American Psycho & Gattaca)
DTS-Master(ES) 5.1 (Watch Bolt..)
DTS-Master 7.1 (Bangkok Dangerous & new Rambo)
TrueHD 5.1 (Various)

For those with Arcsoft TMT3 & 5, that is also working with everything.

I also have a Xonar...this doesn't work within Boxee or MPC. (Using a GeForce GTX 275) I believe the issue is that the protected audio path (PAP) is not fully understood with the addition of the Xonar in the way. Most likely Boxee or MPC is still seeing the video card and it's lack of PAP. Only special software like TMT would work I believe. This really sucks considering the price of the damn thing...lesson learned being a early adopter..

Edit....Quick TIP!
Forgot to mention....I assumed I had to set Windows up to use 7.1 speakers in the cfg (which I have)....WRONG! Soon as I changed it from stereo cfg I lost the Loss-Less in Boxee. Changed it back and all was good again.

voodoofox
November 23rd, 2010, 04:51 PM
Since it seems that you have VERY similar specs (xonar, onkyo ht r960, gtx260), I have some questions for you! :D

I'm getting everything I can find working while using a Onyko HT R960 and a ATI 5750...(MSI) flawlessly, love it. It seems the changes are at the OS level, because even media player classic (Klite) is playing loss-less as well. If you install Klite to use Windows Media Player you could do it that way. I also tested using a Nvidia GeForce 450. (EVGA)

Correct me if I am wrong, does that means that GTX450 and ATI 5750 don't need audio card? Do they have some built in audio processor?
If not what audio card did you use in that combination?

Also if they do have audio processor did you find any problems with it?


I also have a Xonar...this doesn't work within Boxee or MPC. (Using a GeForce GTX 275) I believe the issue is that the protected audio path (PAP) is not fully understood with the addition of the Xonar in the way. Most likely Boxee or MPC is still seeing the video card and it's lack of PAP. Only special software like TMT would work I believe. This really sucks considering the price of the damn thing...lesson learned being a early adopter..


Yes, I noticed the same thing.


Edit....Quick TIP!
Forgot to mention....I assumed I had to set Windows up to use 7.1 speakers in the cfg (which I have)....WRONG! Soon as I changed it from stereo cfg I lost the Loss-Less in Boxee. Changed it back and all was good again.

Is this with the GeForce450/Ati 5750 or with Xonar?


Also did you experience any random crashes from boxee using xonar?

QContent
November 23rd, 2010, 09:48 PM
It's my understanding that the GTX450 and ATI 5750 cards don't process audio, they are able to pass it through via HDMI. I'm not using a audio card at all in my HTPC. (Although the Intel board has audio...not using that however..) From what it sounds like, the PC is just sending data and the receiver is doing the heavy lifting.

I had to take take the Nvidia card back, but while testing I had no issues at all. It seemed to run perfectly fine. I even created a share to my BluRay drive and with the help of AnyDVD I was able to play content directly off the disc and in loss less format. (Would love to have menu's...)

I have noticed that Boxee will hang on exit, but I don't know that it is related to any of this.

On my tip, yes- both of those card did the same thing. As soon as I configured for 7.1 setup in Windows I lost the loss less audio.

Of the ATI and Nvidia, I have only noticed one thing different- the ATI outputs far less DB at the same levels as the Nvidia. I had to boost the IntelliVolume by 6 DB to get the same output. Could be a config issue...have not looked at it enough yet to know.

voodoofox
November 24th, 2010, 07:26 AM
It's my understanding that the GTX450 and ATI 5750 cards don't process audio, they are able to pass it through via HDMI. I'm not using a audio card at all in my HTPC. (Although the Intel board has audio...not using that however..) From what it sounds like, the PC is just sending data and the receiver is doing the heavy lifting.

Ok so, in you HTPC you do not have any aditional audio card (except onboard intel audio) and you have ATI 5750. And you get sound through HDMI?

If so did you tried to disable Intel onboard audio in BIOS for example, and would you get sound from graphic card in that case?


On my tip, yes- both of those card did the same thing. As soon as I configured for 7.1 setup in Windows I lost the loss less audio.

Ok, about this, did you lose lossless audio in every aplication or only in BOXEE?

QContent
November 27th, 2010, 01:47 PM
Ok so, in you HTPC you do not have any aditional audio card (except onboard intel audio) and you have ATI 5750. And you get sound through HDMI?

If so did you tried to disable Intel onboard audio in BIOS for example, and would you get sound from graphic card in that case?



Ok, about this, did you lose lossless audio in every aplication or only in BOXEE?

No addtional card in the PC. I disabled it in the BIOS and I still got audio. (Lossless)

Changing the Windows setting to 7.1 from stereo is affecting the OS, all the apps appear have problems. Boxee video stutters very badly and in MPC the video looks like slow motion. TMT3 & 5 had the stutter and slow mo. Interesting however- the HD audio light on the receiver was still lit.

BonzTM
November 29th, 2010, 06:01 PM
I have an Asus G73Jh laptop with a 5870 mobility.

With the new version of Boxee, I am able to bitstream DTS-MA and TrueHD. The video stutters badly and the audio is off sync. When I switch it back to core audio, everything plays fine. Switch to HD audio again, stutters and sync issues.

I also bitstream through MPC-HC and TMT3 and don't have this issue. I love Boxee so far. It's a shame that I can't watch my ripped blurays, because I always keep the HD audio streams. I guess I could fall back on "core" audio until it's worked out.

But yes, bitstreaming works.

ckkris
November 30th, 2010, 12:43 AM
I am facing the same issue what BonzTM is getting .
Intel quad core desktop, win 7 64 bit , 5550 ati card, latest boxee software .Video stutters and audio out of sync when using HD audio .

QContent
November 30th, 2010, 09:53 AM
I am facing the same issue what BonzTM is getting .
Intel quad core desktop, win 7 64 bit , 5550 ati card, latest boxee software .Video stutters and audio out of sync when using HD audio .


Is your Windows speaker config set to stereo? This did the trick for me. Setting to anything else caused the issues you are talking about.

ckkris
November 30th, 2010, 10:05 AM
Is your Windows speaker config set to stereo? This did the trick for me. Setting to anything else caused the issues you are talking about.


Windows speaker config is set to stereo .I tried 5.1 config as well .
In my case ,both configs bitstream HD audio with video stutter and audio delay.

QContent
November 30th, 2010, 10:53 AM
Windows speaker config is set to stereo .I tried 5.1 config as well .
In my case ,both configs bitstream HD audio with video stutter and audio delay.

That's strange. I have a similar setup and it is working. I have a 5750..maybe the newer card is doing something a bit different. What ATI drivers do you have?

pdawg17
November 30th, 2010, 11:16 AM
Windows speaker config is set to stereo .I tried 5.1 config as well .
In my case ,both configs bitstream HD audio with video stutter and audio delay.

Same problem for me...what receiver are you using?

ckkris
November 30th, 2010, 11:27 AM
That's strange. I have a similar setup and it is working. I have a 5750..maybe the newer card is doing something a bit different. What ATI drivers do you have?

I am using Catalyst Software Suite (64bit) Version 10.11.
Are you using ATI HD AUDIO driver or Realtek ATI drivers ?
I tried both drivers .

Following are my BOXEE audio hardware settings
a)Audio output - Digital
b)Dolby Digital (ac3) capable receiver - CHECKED
c)DTS capable receiver - CHECKED
d)Dolby TrueHD capable receiver - CHECKED
e)DTS-HD receiver - CHECKED
f)Downmix multichannel audio to stereo - UNCHECKED

My receiver is Denon avr-1909

pdawg17
November 30th, 2010, 12:10 PM
I am using Catalyst Software Suite (64bit) Version 10.11.
Are you using ATI HD AUDIO driver or Realtek ATI drivers ?
I tried both drivers .

Following are my BOXEE audio hardware settings
a)Audio output - Digital
b)Dolby Digital (ac3) capable receiver - CHECKED
c)DTS capable receiver - CHECKED
d)Dolby TrueHD capable receiver - CHECKED
e)DTS-HD receiver - CHECKED
f)Downmix multichannel audio to stereo - UNCHECKED

My receiver is Denon avr-1909

I have a Pioneer 1018 and have similar problems...I have a 5770 with 10.11 drivers (have tried older ones too) and have tried both HDMI drivers (using Realtek now)...

TrueHD - works beautifully

DTS MA - video stutters and there is NO audio...same files play fine in other players...

BonzTM
November 30th, 2010, 02:17 PM
Is your Windows speaker config set to stereo? This did the trick for me. Setting to anything else caused the issues you are talking about.

So you are saying if I change my HDMI Audio parameters in Windows to 2.0 (Stereo) that it might work? I'll have to look into it when I get home.

I'm 99% sure I am running the ATI HDMI drivers and NOT the Realtek drivers.

Audio comes through beautifully, but it's off sync and the video stutters. Changing back to core audio, everything re-syncs and is good. I'll try a few things when I get home from work though.

QContent
December 1st, 2010, 07:36 PM
I am using Catalyst Software Suite (64bit) Version 10.11.
Are you using ATI HD AUDIO driver or Realtek ATI drivers ?
I tried both drivers .

Following are my BOXEE audio hardware settings
a)Audio output - Digital
b)Dolby Digital (ac3) capable receiver - CHECKED
c)DTS capable receiver - CHECKED
d)Dolby TrueHD capable receiver - CHECKED
e)DTS-HD receiver - CHECKED
f)Downmix multichannel audio to stereo - UNCHECKED

My receiver is Denon avr-1909

I'm using the newest ATI drivers on a brand new install of Windows 7. All I installed was Klite (MPC), FireFox, Flash, Boxee and TMT 3 & 5. (And AnyDVD)

Maybe Klite and MPC codecs are installing something that allows for better streaming? I use FFDShow and configure for lossless there. (Checking the SPDIF pass through) No AC3 Filter. Install with the option "Lots Of Stuff"

Of of curiosity- are you guys with issues setting your receiver to a resolution or allowing straight pass through?

Prospero424
December 1st, 2010, 08:33 PM
I'm using the newest ATI drivers on a brand new install of Windows 7. All I installed was Klite (MPC), FireFox, Flash, Boxee and TMT 3 & 5. (And AnyDVD)

Maybe Klite and MPC codecs are installing something that allows for better streaming? I use FFDShow and configure for lossless there. (Checking the SPDIF pass through) No AC3 Filter. Install with the option "Lots Of Stuff"

Just remember that if you're having Ffdshow do the decoding for your DTS-HD streams, you're actually only getting the core DTS stream at 1.5Mb/s. AC3Filter (when it works) does the same. This may be why it seems to "work better".

Playback through TMT and/or AnyDVD should give you the full-bitrate DTS-HD stream.

QContent
December 1st, 2010, 09:49 PM
Just remember that if you're having Ffdshow do the decoding for your DTS-HD streams, you're actually only getting the core DTS stream at 1.5Mb/s. AC3Filter (when it works) does the same. This may be why it seems to "work better".

Playback through TMT and/or AnyDVD should give you the full-bitrate DTS-HD stream.

I understand what you are saying, but that's not what I have set up. It is set to pass through for those audio types. If "it" is actually doing anything remains to be seen. Since I am getting lossless lit up on my receiver I have a hard time believing that FFDShow would decode the stream and encode again to send it out. (And send it out lossless...if it can even do that..)

I suppose what I am trying to say is, since FFD and MPC are doing a better job of passing the audio/video than Boxee, something HAS to be different, and maybe it's how FFD works that is the reason.

Maybe you guys with issues could try the Klite codec installer and see? Make sure to tweak FFD to use SPDIF and pass lossless audio after install.

http://www.codecguide.com/download_kl.htm
(I grab the "full" version)

Prospero424
December 1st, 2010, 11:47 PM
When you're telling ffdshow itself to pass through DTS-HD MA audio streams, it's still only passing through the core DTS stream at 1.5Mb/s. It's not decoding it and reencoding it, it's just passing through the only part of the stream it supports.

Boxee is actually (trying to, at least) passing through the full DTS-HD MA bitstream when you're using an ATi card from the 5XXX or 6XXX series.

If you're playing a DTS-HD MA stream through Media Player Classic and it REALLY is passing through the entire bitstream rather than just the core DTS stream, that's because MPC is using the Arcsoft audio renderer (TMT), which isn't free or open source like Ffdshow/libav project is.

Edit: ah, I see that the Ffdshow tryout builds actually do support full bitstreaming (but NOT decoding) of these formats with the newer ATi cards OR with a Xonar, but you need to use the Arcsoft renderer or the waveout output with the Xonar. That may explain things.

Ice Coffee
December 5th, 2010, 08:17 AM
I have signed up just to say this, however this boxee software looks pretty good so I might give it a try and stick around.

I am only running a core 2 duo E6550 2.3Ghz CPU in my dell Vostro 220s (slimline) case, to this I have added an nvidia 450 GTS (low profile) card. I have disabled the the onboard sound card, as I am solely using the high def multimedia audio device THAT IS BUILT INTO MY GRAPHICS CARD. All the top end Nvidia and ATI cards have their own sound card built in, the lower end cards have an SPdif input on the card to allow you to pass through the digital audio from your own soundcard.

I am currently using the October version of the Klite codec pack and have no problems playing genuine Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio with my 1080p movies, after reading through this thread I was worried that I was getting some kind of Core DTS down mix from DTS MA, so I went into the options on my onkyo 1007 to be told I was sending it DTS-MA 7.1 and it was outputting DTS -MA 7.2 (because of my speaker configuration), but just in case I was being lied to I then spent some time sat between rear left and side left, there was definitely independent discrete audio being produced by these speakers, even with my amp in direct mode.

One thing I will say is that I originally had an issue playing 1080 p VC1 with Dolby true HD, the video was laggy and slow on my humble set-up (with the same syptoms as people have described in this thread), I also noticed my CPU sat at 70% but as soon as I dropped the audio it was perfect, however I did not have a problem with X.264 video. It turns out I somehow did not have DXVA hardware acceleration enabled in FFdshow setup for VC1 video, as soon as I did that it was all perfect.

I think not enabled for VC1 is the default.

I hope my experience helps someone.

PS CPU now runs around 25% playing VC1

pdawg17
December 5th, 2010, 08:51 AM
I have signed up just to say this, however this boxee software looks pretty good so I might give it a try and stick around.

I am only running a core 2 duo E6550 2.3Ghz CPU in my dell Vostro 220s (slimline) case, to this I have added an nvidia 450 GTS (low profile) card. I have disabled the the onboard sound card, as I am solely using the high def multimedia audio device THAT IS BUILT INTO MY GRAPHICS CARD. All the top end Nvidia and ATI cards have their own sound card built in, the lower end cards have an SPdif input on the card to allow you to pass through the digital audio from your own soundcard.

I am currently using the October version of the Klite codec pack and have no problems playing genuine Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio with my 1080p movies, after reading through this thread I was worried that I was getting some kind of Core DTS down mix from DTS MA, so I went into the options on my onkyo 1007 to be told I was sending it DTS-MA 7.1 and it was outputting DTS -MA 7.2 (because of my speaker configuration), but just in case I was being lied to I then spent some time sat between rear left and side left, there was definitely independent discrete audio being produced by these speakers, even with my amp in direct mode.

One thing I will say is that I originally had an issue playing 1080 p VC1 with Dolby true HD, the video was laggy and slow on my humble set-up (with the same syptoms as people have described in this thread), I also noticed my CPU sat at 70% but as soon as I dropped the audio it was perfect, however I did not have a problem with X.264 video. It turns out I somehow did not have DXVA hardware acceleration enabled in FFdshow setup for VC1 video, as soon as I did that it was all perfect.

I think not enabled for VC1 is the default.

I hope my experience helps someone.

PS CPU now runs around 25% playing VC1

Are you saying DTS-MA and TrueHD works within Boxee? That is where I have problems...I can play the "trouble" files outside of Boxee - it's within Boxee that I have problems...

Ice Coffee
December 5th, 2010, 10:40 AM
Are you saying DTS-MA and TrueHD works within Boxee? That is where I have problems...I can play the "trouble" files outside of Boxee - it's within Boxee that I have problems...

Sorry no, media player classic but ffdshow is a codec, if boxee can use outside codecs it should work (in theory)

Prospero424
December 5th, 2010, 11:00 PM
Yeah, the "Fermi"-based Nvidia cards (4XX and 5XX series) should, theoretically, support bitstreaming of DTS-HA MA. It's only a matter of playback software being updated to support it.

If bitstreaming is now working with Ffdshow alone (rather than being facilitated by something else contained within the Klite Codec Pack) and the GTX450, then it's only a matter of time until Boxee's decoding libraries are updated to do the same because Boxee uses many of the same libraries as those contained in the Ffdshow tryouts.

If it doesn't work already, that is...

Ice Coffee
December 6th, 2010, 08:46 AM
Yeah, the "Fermi"-based Nvidia cards (4XX and 5XX series) should, theoretically, support bitstreaming of DTS-HA MA.

lol no theoretical about it, im doing it

I would like to add I have also come across some video I am struggling to play, it is a 3d mitsubishi test clip that has been converted from 3d checkerboard to half sbs, it is in AVC format and even with dxva doing its bit im still struggling, any one have any idea.

Prospero424
December 6th, 2010, 08:48 PM
lol no theoretical about it, im doing it

So bitstreaming of DTS-HD MA is working within Boxee on your Nvidia card? I'd like to have this confirmed. That'd be good news.

I would like to add I have also come across some video I am struggling to play, it is a 3d mitsubishi test clip that has been converted from 3d checkerboard to half sbs, it is in AVC format and even with dxva doing its bit im still struggling, any one have any idea.

Go ahead and create a new thread on this, post the MediaInfo output on this file, and link to a small sample of the video, if you can.

QContent
December 9th, 2010, 08:10 AM
So bitstreaming of DTS-HD MA is working within Boxee on your Nvidia card? I'd like to have this confirmed. That'd be good news.



Go ahead and create a new thread on this, post the MediaInfo output on this file, and link to a small sample of the video, if you can.

It is working with the Nvida card in Boxee, I posted earlier in the thread. (page 2) Using a GTX450, no slowdown or anything.

pyrodex
December 22nd, 2010, 11:47 AM
I am new to the forums but an old school computer nerd. I recently built a massive storage system (28TB, raid6) store my media and various other things on the home network. I've always used a PCH A-110 to do my media streaming and have been fed up with the crap support. So I decided to reuse an old Core 2 Duo E6750 computer with 4GB or ram and a simple hard drive. I purchased an Nvidia GT 430 for about 80$ from Frys to get the HD bitstreaming since a good deal of my media is in HD formats. I fought with Windows MC7 for a few days deal with m2ts and bitstreaming. I tried boxee and within 10 minutes I was working with full BitStreaming of TrueHD and DTS-MA to my Denon AVR991. I have to say I am impressed and happy to see this is working like a champ.

I am open to any questions for my setup but can confirm the BitStreaming of TrueHD and DTS-MA from my Nvidia 430 setup.