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gizmotoy
November 14th, 2010, 08:57 AM
Were any of you able to get IR receivers running with the Boxee Box? If so, would you mind posting a model number?

I have a MCE remote that should supposedly work, but does not, so it looks like I'll need to buy a new one. With reports of some remotes not working, and some working poorly, I don't want to just buy a random one off Amazon and hope for the best.

Thanks!

gmd024
November 14th, 2010, 09:01 AM
Were any of you able to get IR receivers running with the Boxee Box? If so, would you mind posting a model number?

I have a MCE remote that should supposedly work, but does not, so it looks like I'll need to buy a new one. With reports of some remotes not working, and some working poorly, I don't want to just buy a random one off Amazon and hope for the best.

Thanks!

Have you tried powering down the BBox with the switch on the Box and then plugging your IR rec'r into the Box then powering BBox back up

gizmotoy
November 14th, 2010, 09:03 AM
Yes, unfortunately. The receiver gets power and flashes its LCD when it receives a valid code, but nothing happens in the Boxee UI... even for keys like Up/Down.

gmd024
November 14th, 2010, 09:09 AM
Yes, unfortunately. The receiver gets power and flashes its LCD when it receives a valid code, but nothing happens in the Boxee UI... even for keys like Up/Down.

Not sure - but this may be the issue - MCE2 remotes are compatible

gizmotoy
November 14th, 2010, 01:51 PM
I do keep seeing that "MCE2" remotes are compatible, but as far as I can tell that's not an easily-identifiable thing. Typing MCE2 remote into Google returns practically nothing, and what it does return is for MCE 2-channel remotes.

Is this MCE2 designation even a real thing? I see a couple actual references to an MCE2 remote, but never anything pointing to actual hardware that I could buy. I looked at a bunch of MCE remotes on Amazon and none say anything about MCE2 support.

I wonder if this would work: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00224ZDFY/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0J5664WK2TT356W56N7P&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

pcm2a
November 14th, 2010, 02:02 PM
I have this one from Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00224ZDFY/ref=oss_product

It works with the Boxee Box 1.0 and even the 0.9 version that comes on the unit. Not too bad for $14.

gmd024
November 14th, 2010, 02:46 PM
I do keep seeing that "MCE2" remotes are compatible, but as far as I can tell that's not an easily-identifiable thing. Typing MCE2 remote into Google returns practically nothing, and what it does return is for MCE 2-channel remotes.

Is this MCE2 designation even a real thing? I see a couple actual references to an MCE2 remote, but never anything pointing to actual hardware that I could buy. I looked at a bunch of MCE remotes on Amazon and none say anything about MCE2 support.

I wonder if this would work: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00224ZDFY/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0J5664WK2TT356W56N7P&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

Sorry - I'm not familar with the MCE2 either - I only copied/pasted the info from a Boxee Devs' post - maybe emailing support at boxee dot tv will get an explaination - mention the info came from Eli

gizmotoy
November 14th, 2010, 02:48 PM
I have this one from Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00224ZDFY/ref=oss_product

It works with the Boxee Box 1.0 and even the 0.9 version that comes on the unit. Not too bad for $14.

Thanks for the confirmation. That's the exact unit I was looking to purchase. I'll probably go ahead and grab it, then. You've had no issues with it?

pcm2a
November 14th, 2010, 06:34 PM
No issues at all. It works flawlessly plugged into the Boxe Box with the upgraded firmware and the original .9 firmware. It also worked great with the PC version when I plugged it into a Win7 laptop.

I couldn't find that remote in my Logitech Harmony pc software (Harmony 880) so I just learned the 6 buttons I needed: up, down, left, right, back and enter.

The only button I dont know how to get is this Play/Pause button that the boxee remote has. What button on a keyboard is Play/Pause?

gizmotoy
November 14th, 2010, 10:48 PM
It looks like Play/Pause traditionally maps to the spacebar in the Boxee software. I'm not sure how you'd emulate that on an MCE remote. I don't think any of the keys are a space.

One option may be using the previously-mentioned root Telnet access. In other parts of the forum I see that you can change Keymap.xml.

Right now, I'd expect is has something like this in there:
<space>Pause</space>

Maybe we could change the space part to something the MCE remote can send.

killerbeesateme
November 15th, 2010, 08:10 AM
Here's a link to a chart with MCE remotes. It doesn't cover every model, but it shows you the only one you can't buy. It's the one all the way on the left.

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote#Media_Center_Remotes

I'm using a Harmony 520 remote and I just have it programmed as a Media Center PC. The pause button works fine. You shouldn't have to do anything root wise. One thing I did notice is that when you click pause, you can't resume with play, you have to click pause again.

Something most people haven't mentioned though is that the feature buttons work on the MCE2 remotes.

Start takes you Home, My Videos takes you to local TV shows, My Music takes you to music, etc.

randiz
November 15th, 2010, 09:45 AM
I can confirm this one is 100% working:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14380

In the Harmony setup, add "Chinavasion CVSB-983". Congrats, you can now control the boxee box with your harmony remote.

pcm2a
November 15th, 2010, 09:47 AM
Wow I will be testing those extra things out pronto!

ottovonkopp
November 15th, 2010, 09:59 AM
I can confirm this one is 100% working:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14380

In the Harmony setup, add "Chinavasion CVSB-983". Congrats, you can now control the boxee box with your harmony remote.

I have that remote but I could not get the Media keys to work.

Tried it with Harmony to but it was way to slow.

Does It work better for you or do you have the same problem?

This was with .9 on Windows 7.

didatofik
November 15th, 2010, 10:10 AM
What button on a keyboard is Play/Pause?

I think it is the "space" key .

voip-ninja
November 15th, 2010, 04:47 PM
I have this one from Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00224ZDFY/ref=oss_product

It works with the Boxee Box 1.0 and even the 0.9 version that comes on the unit. Not too bad for $14.

I have this same unit, it is called an Ortek VRC-1100, can you confirm that on the back of your actual remote unit it says "VRC1100"?

The reason I am asking is that I can get the d-pad keys and the enter key to work but have had no success at finding a key that works properly for the "back/menu" key function.

If I press the info key on the remote (the "i" key) then the back/menu blinks repeatedly almost like it sees multiple button presses.

Can you confirm if the back/menu key works with your remote?

dconti
November 15th, 2010, 04:54 PM
Here's a link to a chart with MCE remotes. It doesn't cover every model, but it shows you the only one you can't buy. It's the one all the way on the left.

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote#Media_Center_Remotes



wow, awesome.

so with the gen1 remotes the only other thing there is if you bought one of the original windows media center machines that OEMs made, then you would have a gen1 remote but it would be branded, say with hp or gateway on the remote.
outside of the one in the picture on the far left and a branded remote from a full media center PC though, you should be good.

cheers

gizmotoy
November 15th, 2010, 07:55 PM
It looks like the reason my MCE remote wouldn't work is that it's MCE1. dconti, I don't suppose there's any plans to add MCE1 remote support, correct?

I think I might pick up that linked Amazon remote to replace my current MCE1 version.

Wow I will be testing those extra things out pronto!

Could you confirm that the Pause button on the MCE remote works as a stand-in for the Play/Pause button on the Boxee Box?

Greystorm
November 15th, 2010, 08:26 PM
I have the second remote in the list posted here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote#Media_Center_Remotes

The IR receiver looks like this: http://deonvanrhyn.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/xbmc-microsoft-mce-remote-control-review/

I powered off Boxee Box, plugged it in and powered up.

I had my Harmony 525 programmed for Windows Media Center already and it worked with Boxee without adjustment. I think I told the Harmony software it was a Microsoft Media Center PC.

The Start button (which I mapped to Home on the 525) takes me to the Home screen on the Boxee which is great as the official remote is missing that button.

The Info button shows me detailed info when playing back a video like framerate, cpu etc.

As has been posted the play button doesn't resume from pause. You have to press pause again to resume. Not sure if play will pause, haven't tested that.

Another thing of note is that the Power toggle will turn Boxee off but it won't turn it back on again. If this could be added by the Devs (along with local caching of thumbnails so it doesn't have to re-download them after power cycles), that would be awesome. I could power the box off and on with the Harmony then.

voip-ninja
November 15th, 2010, 08:53 PM
It looks like the reason my MCE remote wouldn't work is that it's MCE1. dconti, I don't suppose there's any plans to add MCE1 remote support, correct?

I think I might pick up that linked Amazon remote to replace my current MCE1 version.



Could you confirm that the Pause button on the MCE remote works as a stand-in for the Play/Pause button on the Boxee Box?

I have that remote and quite a few of the buttons don't work properly on Boxee Box. I can't find a button that works for back/list for example.

voip-ninja
November 15th, 2010, 08:54 PM
I have the second remote in the list posted here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote#Media_Center_Remotes

The IR receiver looks like this: http://deonvanrhyn.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/xbmc-microsoft-mce-remote-control-review/

I powered off Boxee Box, plugged it in and powered up.

I had my Harmony 525 programmed for Windows Media Center already and it worked with Boxee without adjustment. I think I told the Harmony software it was a Microsoft Media Center PC.

The Start button (which I mapped to Home on the 525) takes me to the Home screen on the Boxee which is great as the official remote is missing that button.

The Info button shows me detailed info when playing back a video like framerate, cpu etc.

As has been posted the play button doesn't resume from pause. You have to press pause again to resume. Not sure if play will pause, haven't tested that.

Another thing of note is that the Power toggle will turn Boxee off but it won't turn it back on again. If this could be added by the Devs (along with local caching of thumbnails so it doesn't have to re-download them after power cycles), that would be awesome. I could power the box off and on with the Harmony then.

When you say second one in the list, which specific model do you mean? Is it this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/Backlight-Remote-Control-USB-IR-Receiver-Vista-MCE-NEW-/280588234918?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41545cb0a6#ht_2603wt_907

Greystorm
November 15th, 2010, 09:12 PM
I mean the one second from the left in the row of remotes. It looks exactly like the one in the blog review I posted a link to. It doesn't look like the one you linked to.

It might not be available any more as I bought it back in 2006.

gizmotoy
November 15th, 2010, 09:29 PM
I have that remote and quite a few of the buttons don't work properly on Boxee Box. I can't find a button that works for back/list for example.

Which is confusing, because he was only having trouble with Play/Pause and had Menu/Back working properly. Does the Back button on the remote not work for you? There is one.

voip-ninja
November 16th, 2010, 02:36 PM
I have this same unit, it is called an Ortek VRC-1100, can you confirm that on the back of your actual remote unit it says "VRC1100"?

The reason I am asking is that I can get the d-pad keys and the enter key to work but have had no success at finding a key that works properly for the "back/menu" key function.

If I press the info key on the remote (the "i" key) then the back/menu blinks repeatedly almost like it sees multiple button presses.

Can you confirm if the back/menu key works with your remote?

I just wanted to follow up on my own comment regarding this remote (Ortek VRC-1100).

I finally did discover that the "clear" key is the one that is mapped to back/menu so I pretty much have all of the major controls working. It's just a shame that it can't be configured to put the unit to sleep and wake it up, if I had that it would be fully integrated with my Harmony and I'd be a pretty happy camper.

gizmotoy
November 17th, 2010, 08:17 PM
I've been doing some research. There is going to be a fair amount of effort involved to get any modifications to LIRC pushed.

The Box is missing lsusb, modprobe, gcc, etc., so installing a new version is basically impossible. It also means users adding support for an MCE1 remote is very difficult or impossible, since they only insert lircd and lirc_mceusb2 into the kernel.

The Boxee Box is running LIRC version 0.8.5, which is one version shy of what I needed :(.

I did manage to find the following useful tidbits out:

Boxee runs the following to start lirc:
/opt/local/sbin/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0 /opt/local/etc/lircd.conf

The contents of lircd.conf, which configures the remotes:
Note that here I've removed the actual hex codes and only included the headers for each supported remote. The hex codes probably wouldn't be much help for anyone anyway. I see Dan's name in there (dconti), so he had a hand in the IR support.

# cat /opt/local/etc/lircd.conf
#
# brand: HP
# model no. of remote control: TSGH-IR01
# devices being controlled by this remote: HP Slimline S3100y
#
# Derived from MCEUSB2 lircd.conf file (lircd.conf.mceusb) found at:
# https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty

#
# RC-6 config file
#
# source: http://home.hccnet.nl/m.majoor/projects__remote_control.htm
# http://home.hccnet.nl/m.majoor/pronto.pdf
#
# used by: Philips
#
#########
#
# Philips Media Center Edition remote control
# For use with the USB MCE ir receiver
#
# Dan Conti dconti|acm.wwu.edu
#
# Updated with codes for MCE 2005 Remote additional buttons
# *, #, Teletext, Red, Green, Yellow & Blue Buttons
# Note: TV power button transmits no code until programmed.
# Updated 12th September 2005
# Graham Auld - mce|graham.auld.me.uk
#
# Radio, Print, RecTV are only available on the HP Media Center remote control
#
#
# Updated with codes for MCE 2007 Remote additional buttons
# Visualization, Aspect, SlideShow, Eject
# Note:
# Renamed some buttons: DVD->DVDMenu, More->MoreInfo, Star->Asterisk, Hash->Pound
# Note:
# Blue, Yellow, Green, Red, and Teletext buttons do not exist on the HP remote

#
# this config file was automatically generated
# using lirc-0.8.4a(default) on Mon Feb 23 23:55:04 2009
#
# contributed by
#
# brand: Hauppauge
# model no. of remote control:
# devices being controlled by this remote: PVR-150 Remote (MCE kit)
# SMK dongle 0609:031d
#

#
# this config file was automatically generated
# using lirc-0.8.4a(default) on Tue Mar 10 19:27:09 2009
#
# contributed by
#
# brand: SIIG Vista MCE remote
# model no. of remote control:
# devices being controlled by this remote:
#

gizmotoy
November 17th, 2010, 08:18 PM
Post too long... splitting...

Key mappings from Remote to Boxee:
Of interest here, note that the My Pictures/Videos/TV buttons should take you right to the correct category in the Boxee software. My MCE2 remote doesn't arrive until tomorrow, so I can't test this, but it looks like it should work fine. It also looks like an XBox remote may work (assuming you have an XBox->USB adaptor).
# cat /opt/boxee/system/Lircmap.xml
<!-- This file contains the mapping of LIRC keys to XBMC keys used in Keymap.xml -->
<!-- -->
<!-- How to add remotes -->
<!-- <remote device="name_Lirc_calls_the_remote"> -->
<!-- -->
<!-- For the commands the layout following layout is used -->
<!-- <XBMC_COMMAND>LircButtonName</XBMC_COMMAND> -->
<!-- -->
<!-- For a list of XBMC_COMMAND's check out the <remote> sections of keymap.xml -->

<lircmap>
<remote device="mceusb">
<pause>Pause</pause>
<stop>Stop</stop>
<forward>Forward</forward>
<reverse>Rewind</reverse>
<left>Left</left>
<right>Right</right>
<up>Up</up>
<down>Down</down>
<select>OK</select>
<pageplus>ChanUp</pageplus>
<pageminus>ChanDown</pageminus>
<back>Back</back>
<menu>PreviousMenu</menu>
<title>Play</title>
<info>More</info>
<skipplus>Skip</skipplus>
<skipminus>Replay</skipminus>
<display>Teletext</display>
<red>Home</red>
<record>Record</record>
<volumeplus>VolUp</volumeplus>
<volumeminus>VolDown</volumeminus>
<mute>Mute</mute>
<power>Power</power>
<myvideo>Videos</myvideo>
<mymusic>Music</mymusic>
<mypictures>Pictures</mypictures>
<mytv>TV</mytv>
<one>One</one>
<two>Two</two>
<three>Three</three>
<four>Four</four>
<five>Five</five>
<six>Six</six>
<seven>Seven</seven>
<eight>Eight</eight>
<nine>Nine</nine>
<zero>Zero</zero>
<red>Red</red>
<green>Green</green>
<yellow>Yellow</yellow>
<blue>Blue</blue>
</remote>

<remote device="XboxDVDDongle">
<play>PLAY</play>
<pause>PAUSE</pause>
<stop>STOP</stop>
<forward>FORWARD</forward>
<reverse>REVERSE</reverse>
<left>LEFT</left>
<right>RIGHT</right>
<up>UP</up>
<down>DOWN</down>
<select>SELECT</select>
<back>BACK</back>
<menu>MENU</menu>
<title>TITLE</title>
<info>INFO</info>
<skipplus>SKIP+</skipplus>
<skipminus>SKIP-</skipminus>
<display>DISPLAY</display>
<one>1</one>
<two>2</two>
<three>3</three>
<four>4</four>
<five>5</five>
<six>6</six>
<seven>7</seven>
<eight>8</eight>
<nine>9</nine>
<zero>0</zero>
</remote>

<remote device="Microsoft_Xbox">
<play>PLAY</play>
<pause>PAUSE</pause>
<stop>STOP</stop>
<forward>FORWARD</forward>
<reverse>REVERSE</reverse>
<left>LEFT</left>
<right>RIGHT</right>
<up>UP</up>
<down>DOWN</down>
<select>SELECT</select>
<back>BACK</back>
<menu>MENU</menu>
<title>TITLE</title>
<info>INFO</info>
<skipplus>SKIP+</skipplus>
<skipminus>SKIP-</skipminus>
<display>DISPLAY</display>
<one>1</one>
<two>2</two>
<three>3</three>
<four>4</four>
<five>5</five>
<six>6</six>
<seven>7</seven>
<eight>8</eight>
<nine>9</nine>
<zero>0</zero>
</remote>

<remote device="PinnacleSysPCTVRemote">
<play>Play</play>
<pause>pause</pause>
<stop>Stop</stop>
<forward>FForward</forward>
<reverse>Rewind</reverse>
<left>Vol-Rew</left>
<right>Vol+FF</right>
<up>Chan+Play</up>
<down>Chan-Stop</down>
<pageplus>channel+</pageplus>
<pageminus>channel-</pageminus>
<select>middle</select>
<back>undo</back>
<menu>Menu</menu>
<title>L</title>
<info>Info</info>
<skipplus>next</skipplus>
<display>Fullscreen</display>
<record>Record</record>
<volumeplus>vol+</volumeplus>
<volumeminus>vol-</volumeminus>
<mute>Mute</mute>
<power>Power</power>
<one>1</one>
<two>2</two>
<three>3</three>
<four>4</four>
<five>5</five>
<six>6</six>
<seven>7</seven>
<eight>8</eight>
<nine>9</nine>
<zero>0</zero>
</remote>

<remote device="anysee">
<pause>pause</pause>
<stop>stop</stop>
<forward>f1</forward>
<reverse>f2</reverse>
<left>left</left>
<right>right</right>
<up>chan-up</up>
<down>chan-down</down>
<select>ok</select>
<back>exit</back>
<menu>menu</menu>
<title>play</title>
<info>info</info>
<skipplus>jump-fwd</skipplus>
<skipminus>jump-back</skipminus>
<display>size</display>
<start>star</start>
<record>rec</record>
<volumeplus></volumeplus>
<volumeminus></volumeminus>
<mute>mute</mute>
<power>power</power>
<one>1</one>
<two>2</two>
<three>3</three>
<four>4</four>
<five>5</five>
<six>6</six>
<seven>7</seven>
<eight>8</eight>
<nine>9</nine>
<zero>0</zero>
<red>red</red>
<green>green</green>
<yellow>yellow</yellow>
<blue>blue</blue>
</remote>

<remote device="intelce">
<pause>Pause</pause>
<stop>Stop</stop>
<forward>Forward</forward>
<reverse>Rewind</reverse>
<left>Left</left>
<right>Right</right>
<up>Up</up>
<down>Down</down>
<select>OK</select>
<pageplus>ChanUp</pageplus>
<pageminus>ChanDown</pageminus>
<back>Back</back>
<menu>PreviousMenu</menu>
<title>Play</title>
<info>More</info>
<skipplus>Skip</skipplus>
<skipminus>Replay</skipminus>
<display>Teletext</display>
<start>Home</start>
<record>Record</record>
<volumeplus>VolUp</volumeplus>
<volumeminus>VolDown</volumeminus>
<mute>Mute</mute>
<power>Power</power>
<myvideo>Videos</myvideo>
<mymusic>Music</mymusic>
<mypictures>Pictures</mypictures>
<mytv>TV</mytv>
<one>One</one>
<two>Two</two>
<three>Three</three>
<four>Four</four>
<five>Five</five>
<six>Six</six>
<seven>Seven</seven>
<eight>Eight</eight>
<nine>Nine</nine>
<zero>Zero</zero>
<red>Red</red>
<green>Green</green>
<yellow>Yellow</yellow>
<blue>Blue</blue>
</remote>
</lircmap>



Hopefully this may help people determine if an IR remote they already have will work with the Box. My wish would be for them to update to lirc 0.8.6 so the remote I have would be supported, but I think they have enough on their plate right now.

Robbo980
November 18th, 2010, 11:50 AM
I have successfully programmed my Pronto Remote with the basic codes. PM me if you'd like a list of the IR codes.

cyberdude
December 8th, 2010, 05:03 PM
So if I already have a Harmony remote, why do I need an MCE2 compatible remote? Shouldn't ANY USB IR dongle work if I program in the correct signals (aka, select a Media Center profile from Harmony?)

voip-ninja
December 8th, 2010, 05:06 PM
So if I already have a Harmony remote, why do I need an MCE2 compatible remote? Shouldn't ANY USB IR dongle work if I program in the correct signals (aka, select a Media Center profile from Harmony?)

Unfortunately no, because not all IR adapters operate on the same IR frequencies. Additionally it is possible that some USB IR adapters require software to function completely, which will not be possible on the Boxee Box.

Getting a fully, out of the box, MCE compatible USB IR is probably your best bet. I have ordered a cheap clone one from China but 20 days on it still has not arrived.

I can tell you that the Ortek VRC-1100 is not MCE 100% compliant and it will not work with generic media center commands from the Harmony. You have to program the Harmony specifically for VRC-1100.

cyberdude
December 8th, 2010, 05:18 PM
Got it. Thanks

YossarianKL
December 11th, 2010, 06:00 AM
How do you map the keyboard to any of these remotes?
I bought an L5 IR adapter for my IPhone and between their app and the boxee app I am able to control my whole entertainment center finally the way I want. The only thing I use the remote that came with the Boxee Box is to turn the thing on.
If one of the remotes mentioned just allows for the power button to do that, I could map that to a button I create on the L5. Map all the keyboard keys and you could control everything with one app.