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dasuberes
November 14th, 2010, 05:40 PM
is milkdrop in v1.0 or was it also one of the great features that were dropped? if it was, any plans to bring it back?

Vandetta
November 14th, 2010, 06:01 PM
is milkdrop in v1.0 or was it also one of the great features that were dropped? if it was, any plans to bring it back?

http://forums.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=21778

Seems like it was dropped. Milkdrop is the best visualizer there is- is there no visualizer in 1.0?

Also I think this is the wrong section*

judgeschambers
November 14th, 2010, 06:06 PM
Milkdrop was removed. No info on why...

vixhex
November 14th, 2010, 07:56 PM
Was MilkDrop in Boxee Box .9 or not? Not sure if some posts are referring to the beta or the Box.

I'd love to have MilkDrop . . . been running it with Winamp for years and was stoked to see it in the beta. Got the BB now and was hoping to see it there, too.

l0th
November 14th, 2010, 08:03 PM
My theory: BB is underpowered and can't run Milkdrop properly. When running Boxee 0.9 on my older PC, milkdrop would make the whole thing stall.

Vandetta
November 14th, 2010, 08:07 PM
They could just drop the frame rate to make it run. The hardware was pretty good from what I read on engadget.

So what happens when play music on BBox? Black screen or album art?

l0th
November 14th, 2010, 08:09 PM
there's only one option (waveform is gone as well): a colorful 3D equalizer that you can see on the video of the launch event. I think I remember this was one of the viz already available in 0.9

vixhex
November 14th, 2010, 08:13 PM
the BB is about the same specs as my Acer Aspire Revo 1600 and it ran MilkDrop nicely. I really hope they bring it back. If it can run a 1080p MKV with DTS surround, I think it can handle MilkDrop. I know thats not a 1:1 comparison, but hey . . .

l0th
November 14th, 2010, 08:27 PM
well, on my old htpc boxee could play ripped VOBs fine but lagged like crazy when displaying milkdrop. Whatever the problem was I think they took the easiest route and got rid of milkdrop.

leecming
November 14th, 2010, 08:42 PM
I've been examining the BB file system and noticed the existence of opengl_spectrum.vis in /opt/boxee/visualisations. It looks like in theory someone could copy open the projectm vis files and drop it there.

JerryCasanova
November 14th, 2010, 11:06 PM
I wouldn't careif all we had was a stripped down milkdrop with a limited library of BB-ready visualizations as long as we had some choice.

haveringcottage
November 15th, 2010, 11:23 AM
i think the boxee box has a serious power problem.

lots of cpu intensive features in the beta have been dropped for the 1.0

- vis have gone
- 'frequent' monitoring gone
- background playing of video has gone
- reduced number of cover-art per screen

all of this makes me think the whole user experience was jerky and slow when they tried to run the 0.9 on the BB, so they just stripped back the UI and ripped a whole lot of features out of the 1.0 in an effort to make it a smooth user experience.

I think a few more versions down the line once all the critical bug fixes are out of the way, they should start working on some code optimisation.

boxee has always been a CPU hogging beast... playing any video via the integrated boxeeplayer (in all versions) would result in 20 - 50% higher CPU usage than playing the same video using a different player or a web flash player.

i think they should have put more power into the box as without code optimisation, they're gonna have problems hitting the devices 'ceiling' in terms of what it is physically capable of.

l0th
November 15th, 2010, 11:30 AM
I think you're right. Here's an example: on my BB running 0.9, scanning the music folder while playing music result in stuttering. I think the box is underpowered, and I'm not sure that code optimization will do the trick. At $200, I expected that they wouldn't cut too much on the hardware. Wrong?

Rulo
November 15th, 2010, 12:39 PM
Well the atom at the heart of the Box is just single core and running at 1.2 GHz. It is, in fact, a lot less processor than your worst desktop Atom (and those are horrible anyways) so I think they have decided to compromise in some areas to make the software run smoothly. My point of view...

FirstGear
November 15th, 2010, 01:15 PM
thinking of the ceiling already being hit on this thing makes me sick to my stomach.

jkaero
November 15th, 2010, 10:15 PM
Milkdrop ran fine in XBMC on the xbox p3-700 (I think thats what it was). There is no reason this HW shouldnt be overkill for Milkdrop.

vixhex
November 16th, 2010, 09:48 PM
Milkdrop ran fine in XBMC on the xbox p3-700 (I think thats what it was). There is no reason this HW shouldnt be overkill for Milkdrop.

Agreed. Both my old p3 933 and Acer1600 choke on any flash content or mkv files but they both run milk drop acceptably (30fps, just checked) . . . Even inside pandora (was so happy to see that when boxee beta first came out). Been using milk drop with ejukebox and win amp for years now.

I really hope they bring it back. :D

An ejukebox like web interface playlist queue would be nice, too. ;) love queueing songs from my library via the iPad.

Govnah
November 16th, 2010, 10:31 PM
I agree and this really makes me sick as well. This has been a total let down by Boxee. I would have be glad to pay more money for a fully functioning BB w/ all the features but not this. I am beginning to think the BB does not have the resources...hence the strip down version 1.0.

thinking of the ceiling already being hit on this thing makes me sick to my stomach.

twelvebore
November 17th, 2010, 03:36 AM
Well, here's hoping the old visualiser stays put in the Windows/etc. versions that run on HTPCs. It, along with the funky GUI, were the major WAF selling points for Boxee ("can we have one in the kitchen, and one in the living room please?!").

Drone-01
November 17th, 2010, 12:11 PM
I thought I was the only one missing this... I entered a ticket in that other boxee web site thingy.

Milkdrop is missed :(