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squale
January 10th, 2011, 02:36 PM
have most of the issues been worked out yet? I just ordered the Boxee Box from Amazon for $200..

I am still using the Boxee BETA software on my windows pc... is this software going to be updated soon to match what's running on the Boxee Box?

vtxrider
January 10th, 2011, 02:41 PM
have most of the issues been worked out yet? I just ordered the Boxee Box from Amazon for $200..

I am still using the Boxee BETA software on my windows pc... is this software going to be updated soon to match what's running on the Boxee Box?

Some people are still having some issues with it, seems the 1080I support is broken but they are working on it. Mine is working just fine, SP3 fixed the 3 issues I had but I can't speak for others.

pbiancardi
January 10th, 2011, 02:42 PM
have most of the issues been worked out yet? Not even close.

I just ordered the Boxee Box from Amazon for $200. As long as you are able to return you should be fine.

I am still using the Boxee BETA software on my windows pc... is this software going to be updated soon to match what's running on the Boxee Box? Who knows, and why would you want it to be? The Boxee Box is buggy and has no Netflix or Hulu (hope that is not why you bought it). In addition most here liked the Beta UI better (they changed this last minute, the box looks nothing like what you are used to).

stevo81989
January 10th, 2011, 02:44 PM
I dont know about "most" but there have been 3 major upgrades since the launch fixing a ton of issues. It may not be perfect but it is getting there. I dont think Vudu is still available Vudu, i guess, is still doing testing for some reason but Boxee will push it out as soon as its available. Netflix was said to be by the end of the month. There hasnt been any word on that so I guess its still on for the end of the month? And in terms of Boxee 1.0 coming to the PC. I believe it is on schedule for the 1st half of this year. They just gotta work out the kinks.

There are definitely still some bugs but the nice thing is that Boxee has been so proactive in fixing them that the bugs wont last for long. lets hope you enjoy your new purchase :)

bek
January 10th, 2011, 02:51 PM
have most of the issues been worked out yet? I just ordered the Boxee Box from Amazon for $200..

I am still using the Boxee BETA software on my windows pc... is this software going to be updated soon to match what's running on the Boxee Box?

It's very buggy, but they are working hard to fix everything. I am fairly optimistic.

delavoie
January 10th, 2011, 02:51 PM
have most of the issues been worked out yet? I just ordered the Boxee Box from Amazon for $200..

I am still using the Boxee BETA software on my windows pc... is this software going to be updated soon to match what's running on the Boxee Box?

it should be the other way around..Will Boxee Box be updated to match what's on Boxee Beta PC. :p
there's more on Boxee Beta for PC then there is on Boxee Box.. imo.
things that i can think of right off hand.. Vudu, Netflix, Funny or Die..all available on Boxee Beta, but not Boxee box.

squale
January 10th, 2011, 02:56 PM
ouch.. Vudu and Netflix I use all the time on Boxee Beta... hope it comes to the boxee box soon!!!

btw.. will the actual hardware in the Boxee Box be updated soon? like me spending $200 now for the box, could that be a waste of money and then say in a few months another NEW box with faster hardware comes out? or is everything just really software upgradable on the box and I should not worry becuase my box will be upgradable?

theman2
January 10th, 2011, 03:08 PM
ouch.. Vudu and Netflix I use all the time on Boxee Beta... hope it comes to the boxee box soon!!!

btw.. will the actual hardware in the Boxee Box be updated soon? like me spending $200 now for the box, could that be a waste of money and then say in a few months another NEW box with faster hardware comes out? or is everything just really software upgradable on the box and I should not worry becuase my box will be upgradable?the most likely change (IMHO) is that the dlink boxee box may end up getting a remote with more visible buttons and/or a clearer differentiation of of up and down. Right now the keyboard is hard to see and the simplified buttons on the other side of the remote look so similar that it is hard to know whether you are hitting menu or the play/pause button.

After that, it sounds like boxee has deals in the works for boxee boxes by other manufacturers. The hardware should be very similar but there are certainly going to be some small differences but the software should be the same. I wouldn't expect to see any of these until at least 6 months out, maybe much longer.

squale
January 10th, 2011, 03:12 PM
how does the Boxee Box remote compare to the ease of use of the Logitech Revue Google TV box? that one looks to use a full keyboard with built in touchpad.. pretty cool looking, but not sure if it's needed..?

how is the internet browsing through the Boxee Box?

pbiancardi
January 10th, 2011, 03:14 PM
ouch.. Vudu and Netflix I use all the time on Boxee Beta... hope it comes to the boxee box soon!!!

btw.. will the actual hardware in the Boxee Box be updated soon? like me spending $200 now for the box, could that be a waste of money and then say in a few months another NEW box with faster hardware comes out? or is everything just really software upgradable on the box and I should not worry becuase my box will be upgradable?

The hardware is capable, it is the firmware, apps, and support that is less than stellar right now.

squale
January 10th, 2011, 03:17 PM
does the Boxee Box have a built in harddrive or any storage space?

I have a Windows 7 laptop on my home network that holds all of my music, video, pictures, etc... will I be able to stream all of this media on the Boxee Box over my WiFi network? does it stream good or is it very choppy?

pbiancardi
January 10th, 2011, 03:18 PM
does the Boxee Box have a built in harddrive or any storage space?

I have a Windows 7 laptop on my home network that holds all of my music, video, pictures, etc... will I be able to stream all of this media on the Boxee Box over my WiFi network? does it stream good or is it very choppy?

Theoretically streaming should work fine (mine always did) but some users have reported problems.

Demetrium
January 10th, 2011, 03:20 PM
have most of the issues been worked out yet? Not even close.

I just ordered the Boxee Box from Amazon for $200. As long as you are able to return you should be fine.

I am still using the Boxee BETA software on my windows pc... is this software going to be updated soon to match what's running on the Boxee Box? Who knows, and why would you want it to be? The Boxee Box is buggy and has no Netflix or Hulu (hope that is not why you bought it). In addition most here liked the Beta UI better (they changed this last minute, the box looks nothing like what you are used to).

I always see is your trolling these boards all day. Give it a break, champ. It's getting a bit old. This is how someone civilized would respond:

Boxee Box is great for playback of local content, but Netflix and Hulu aren't available yet; no confirmed ETA on when they arrive.

pbiancardi
January 10th, 2011, 03:20 PM
I always see is your trolling these boards all day. Give it a break, champ. It's getting a bit old. This is how someone civilized would respond:

Boxee Box is great for playback of local content, but Netflix and Hulu aren't available yet; no confirmed ETA on when they arrive.

You answer how you choose and I will answer honestly, thanks (I wouldnt call this box "great" after recent events, sorry we are less than 12 hours removed from buggy firmware being pulled and they have not shown the ability to get any real content...sometimes the truth hurts).

Demetrium
January 10th, 2011, 03:23 PM
You answer how you choose and I will answer honestly, thanks.

Honesty has nothing to do with integrity. A moron will honestly answer that 1+2=15.

squale
January 10th, 2011, 03:26 PM
back to topic please....

pbiancardi
January 10th, 2011, 03:37 PM
Honesty has nothing to do with integrity. A moron will honestly answer that 1+2=15.

I guess personal attacks are tolerated here?

Ph8
January 10th, 2011, 03:39 PM
Honestly its hard for someone to say how your experience will go as we dont know what your goals are with the Boxee Box. If you plan on just streaming over wired or direct connect HDD then youll probably have hardly any issues as long as your file naming and formats are within spec. If you want it for internet services, its a hit or miss depending on what you watch.

For me personally I havent had many issues with my Boxee box, Ive streamed content from online and watched movies on my USB connected HDD with little issue. My experience is different from others, so yours may differ as well.

Much like any media streamer until you get it into your enviornment it will be hard to say how it will perform for you.

Demetrium
January 10th, 2011, 03:57 PM
I guess personal attacks are tolerated here?

Probably not. I can't recall ever making one though.

Anyone who looks at these forums regularly understands you're a jaded customer who spends quite a bit of time reiterating the same opinion in countless threads.

The least you could do is offer your criticisms untwisted with specificity, rather than vague and negative. Perhaps then people would regard your posts with a bit more respect?

stevo81989
January 10th, 2011, 04:10 PM
Yeah guys, lets steer this back. Let me say this. the hardware is perfect! I mean you could complain at the lack of a gigabit ports but it is unnecessary. I could explain again if you want but just know that 10/100 is good enough for pretty much anything you will be doing in Boxee. The only hardware that may eventually be updated is a built in hard drive. Even that is unnecessary as the bbox has 2 usb ports.

The software is the problem. Although there are a fair amount of premium providers and more on the way, there is still a lack of major players. meaning no Vudu/Hulu/netflix. Vudu was suppose to be out yesterday but i guess Vudu called it back to do a couple more tests. It was fully up and running at CES so it should be out soon. Netflix, the last we heard, is suppose to be out at the end of the month. As far as we know its still on target. Hulu + is coming, I believe 1Q but no real hard dates. Buying CBS shows is also on tap.

Boxee has also shown more commitment than any other company in terms of fixing bugs. I think the issue is that no other STB does as much or tries to do as much as Boxee which has come back to bite them. So basically:

hardware = awesome
software = needs, and is getting, improvment
apps = not bad but the big players are yet to be on it

Ph8
January 10th, 2011, 04:11 PM
does the Boxee Box have a built in harddrive or any storage space?

I have a Windows 7 laptop on my home network that holds all of my music, video, pictures, etc... will I be able to stream all of this media on the Boxee Box over my WiFi network? does it stream good or is it very choppy?

1) No built in hard Drive, you can attach a HDD via USB or network share..

2) as long as you have Live Essentials uninstalled you should be OK, but until you get it in your network no one will be able to give you a poper answer. The reason behind this is that, everyone has a slightly different internal network enviornment, so if we said yes or no to if you will have any probalmes it would only be a guess at best.

bek
January 10th, 2011, 04:17 PM
Honesty has nothing to do with integrity. A moron will honestly answer that 1+2=15.

And what does integrity have to do with being a moron? :)

circa1978
January 10th, 2011, 04:17 PM
If you are concerned about having internal storage and the remote, you may want to hang on until the Iomega TV with Boxee comes out (http://www.iomega.com/iomegatv-media-center/index.html). They will have 3 storage options (no drive, 1TB and 2TB) and the remote adds a trackpad, which would make browsing the web much better than the current Boxee Box remote. There are a few other changes to the remote as well:
http://thenewtvrepublic.com/2011/01/boxee-box-and-iomega-tv-remotes-compared/

The hardware isn't as interesting as the Boxee Box, but would probably integrate into a home theatre set up much better. Not sure if they have set a specific release date, I think some time this quarter (probably after all the kinks have been worked out and Netflix and VUDU are on). EDIT: Just double checked and it looks like they announced a February worldwide release.

Ozpeter
January 10th, 2011, 04:30 PM
Simply responding to the heading question, the Box here is "very" solid rather than "rock" solid - I'd say that because I can get it to reboot (very rapidly) if I play certain .wtv files (oddly not all). In general though it keeps going day and night (I don't bother to turn it off, sorry planet earth, and it's great to be able to turn on the TV and there's the Boxee still doing whatever it was last doing, no laborious boot up stuff, no antivirus chugging away, no system maintenance to do apart from occasional firmware updates which here have gone just fine, including the most recent one).

I just looked at the current Amazon customer review ratings. More customers give it five stars than any other rating. But the next most popular rating is one star, followed by one vote difference by four stars. Bear in mind that many ratings would have been given using earlier versions of the firmware, so one could suggest that it's overall under-rated a little compared with what you'd get if you asked everyone to re-rate it today.

Overall from those ratings it seems that for a great many users, they are pretty satisfied if not very satisfied. A significant number don't like it at all. Why is that? I can only think that it depends on what you use it for, what your expectations were, and how your local network and TV system is configured.

Some here seem to think it's a complete disaster. They would probably label me a 'fanboy'. But I can only speak as I find, and I'm delighted with mine, and would probably rate my delight level 25% higher after the latest firmware release, which seems to have been withdrawn because of problems affecting only a specific group of users using a particular TV type.

Your mileage may, of course, vary!

stevo81989
January 10th, 2011, 04:44 PM
Some here seem to think it's a complete disaster. They would probably label me a 'fanboy'. But I can only speak as I find, and I'm delighted with mine, and would probably rate my delight level 25% higher after the latest firmware release, which seems to have been withdrawn because of problems affecting only a specific group of users using a particular TV type.


Yeah, there are so many people blasting away at each and every flaw yet fail to come up with a better way to do things for as cheap as the price is. Many say roku/wdtv live combo may do the trick but from my experience the WDTV live is in way more trouble than the boxee. Others say an HTPC gives you much more options. I mean it does...having both boxee and Media Center is awesome but the problem is there is no way you get it for cheaper than 200 unless you get the parts free some where. Basically I personally believe, with all the kinks, it is better than 90% of the competition.

pcm2a
January 10th, 2011, 04:50 PM
I think every one of these posts is just user opinions, so here is mine:
1. GREAT interface, better than your pc version
2. Tons of bugs that you may or may not experience depending on what online and offline content you use.
3. Ugly form factor, no IR remote.

Final result: Try out the box you ordered from Amazon. If you like it switch to the Iomega one.

bek
January 10th, 2011, 04:54 PM
I think every one of these posts is just user opinions, so here is mine:
1. GREAT interface, better than your pc version
2. Tons of bugs that you may or may not experience depending on what online and offline content you use.
3. Ugly form factor, no IR remote.

Final result: Try out the box you ordered from Amazon. If you like it switch to the Iomega one.

This is a reasonable post. Although, #3 may not be a disadvantage for all people. I love having a remote that doesn't require line of sight.


Edit:

For those who think it's "very solid", I really can't imagine how anyone would say that when you can't even rewind or fast forward content without often locking up the box.

pcm2a
January 10th, 2011, 05:12 PM
Neither the Boxee or the Iomega remote has "line of sight" from my eyes to the remote in my living room at night :( The only benefit I see of the Iomega one is I could get a refund on the IR usb dongle I bought, so I could use my Harmony remote.

Ozpeter
January 10th, 2011, 05:16 PM
For those who think it's "very solid", I really can't imagine how anyone would say that when you can't even rewind or fast forward content without often locking up the box. Personally I rarely do other than play content straight through, but where I've done a RW or FF of local content I've not encountered problems (that I recall). Smooth RW and FF would be nice to have rather than the skip that's currently implemented, though.

twistybox
January 10th, 2011, 06:16 PM
Media Center is awesome but the problem is there is no way you get it for cheaper than 200 unless

I'd say "unless nothing." You can't build a good HTPC for less than $1000. Mine is probably closer to $2000 and it's only "modest" as far as I'm concerned. I still have the Boxee in addition to it.

A good HTPC also needs a big case - and if you don't want to spend $500-1000 on the case alone, you'll need good fans. And if you have fans, you don't want such an HTPC anywhere near your TV watching area. I keep mine in the basement on a rack. The only connection to the media room upstairs is via ethernet to an extender device connected to the TV.

IMO, that's the only way to run a nice clean system. And that's why the Boxee is here too. There's simply nothing else as small/quiet and capable from anyone else on the market. And you certainly can't build anything even remotely similar for close to the same price.


So, long story short, I agree with you. :) Just the numbers are a little higher if you don't want something lack-lustre.

stergil
January 10th, 2011, 11:09 PM
I'd say "unless nothing." You can't build a good HTPC for less than $1000. Mine is probably closer to $2000 and it's only "modest" as far as I'm concerned. I still have the Boxee in addition to it.

Nonsense, $1,000 is far from necessary and $2,000 is laughable.

You can very easily build an excellent performing htpc for ~$600-$700 including a shipping from newegg.com.

Still much more than a bbox but there's no need to exaggerate to the extent you're taking it.

PhatPhreddy
January 11th, 2011, 12:50 AM
And the fact is many of us already HAVE an HTPC, so its not an either or Boxee has to be superior to a HTPC and frankly it should be more reliable not less as its a single platform product (until the iomega launches and that might be the same).

M1ster_Happy
January 11th, 2011, 01:56 AM
I'm really happy with mine and we pay more for it in Australia and get less online content... but then I haven't experienced any issues with it.

- Power supply doesn't buzz.
- Can't hear the fan unless I put my ear next to BB.
- Have a windows 7 PC with Live Essentials on it and it still seems to work with shares.
- Plays local files from share and USB without issue, even when scanning through them or jumping to time. Even played 720p files fine over wireless (G).
- CPU temp is pretty low (30-55C) considering normal room temp here is 25C-35C all the time.
- Covers for local content download pretty quick.
- The online content I have watched usually works first time (Except ABC iView which I hear is fixed in SP3)

I have some features and improvements I would like to see but it does what I need it too well. I think the only reason I worry about it falling over is because all the comments I read on here.... it will probably lock up on me endlessly now I've said all that!

:)

neveroffline
January 11th, 2011, 02:26 AM
And the fact is many of us already HAVE an HTPC, so its not an either or Boxee has to be superior to a HTPC and frankly it should be more reliable not less as its a single platform product (until the iomega launches and that might be the same).

I don't have any of those issues. My gripes are well documented on here.

It isn't an HTPC though, so for what it does, and what it does well, it well does well. In fact for $200 it's pretty darn awesome for not being a defacto HTPC.

squale
January 11th, 2011, 02:38 PM
I am going to run the Boxee Box into my 42 inch plasma tv... now plasma tv's can get 'burn-in' if left with a static image for too long... how do I get around not having to worry about 'burn-in' while running the Boxee Box and maybe forgetting to turn off the tv and then leaving the house for hours?

ottopilot
January 11th, 2011, 03:10 PM
I am going to run the Boxee Box into my 42 inch plasma tv... now plasma tv's can get 'burn-in' if left with a static image for too long... how do I get around not having to worry about 'burn-in' while running the Boxee Box and maybe forgetting to turn off the tv and then leaving the house for hours?

BB's screen saver kicks in at default time-out of 5 minutes. That can also be configured on the Settings menu.

hammerhead
January 11th, 2011, 03:11 PM
My knowledge of streaming / networks is zero, i work on pc's everyday all day using (for people on this forum) probably the basic functions, BUT out of all my friends i am the one they call with pc problems,
8 of my mates have already asked how the new BB is and baring in mind they come to me with pc issues i've told them all to forget about it,
I've never in my life come across something sold from a shop with a plug on the end that needs so much attention and has so many bugs /issues
For the average Joe who just wants to watch his stored films, look at some family photos and play an album or two my opinion is that they should steer well clear of the BB
As for the actual question "....pretty rock solid now?"
In a word NO
And bare in mind again, i'm not trying anything fancy here,
but having to re-boot if i pause for longer than a few minutes can;t be right can it?
oh and don't forget if you switch it off from the remote on your way up to bed, you better hang around in case it comes back on again for a laugh
so far its played all my formats without a hitch so there is hope but it's far from what i was expecting out of the box

darcilicious
January 11th, 2011, 03:58 PM
You can't build a good HTPC for less than $1000.

Uh, wow. Wonder about your definition of "good". Mine must be bad, I only spent a little under $800 on it several years ago but it does everything I've ever thrown at it, includin on the fly transcoding for remote video streaming... (see below for specs)

twistybox
January 11th, 2011, 04:06 PM
The price is gong down all the time of course, but if you want the biggest drives you're still always going to pay a premium. :)

I have some 1TB and 2TB drives in my SageTV system. 5 drives right now on that system.

Plus capture cards add significant cost. I have 2 Hauppauge 2250's, 1 1600 and a 500. And an HDPVR I'm not even using yet. I can currently record 7 programs at once. :) 5 in HD.

The system is based on a Gigabyte mother board and it's in a decent HTPC case (which it currently doesn't need). If you buy a prebuilt system from Dell or HP, yes, you can save a lot of dough. ;)

SageTV itself costs $90 and another $200 for an extender (which I wasn't factoring into the cost originally). Can't forget the price of Windows 7 when you build your own either.

$1000 goes away very quickly. I've built many systems over the years and I don't think I've ever put anything together for under $1000, even when I managed to re-use plenty of parts.

gribbli
January 11th, 2011, 06:34 PM
Depends what you consider a HTPC, which obviously differs for a lot of people. Myself I have not watched terrestrial or set-top tv for years so I don't consider any type of pass throughs, capture cards, pvr software etc any part of a HTPC anymore.

When I did jump from that route I no longer had any great attachment to Windows Media Centre anymore so that opened up my options to the likes of Boxee and XBMC. So there raises the obvious point that running Windows at all is just overkill, so that more money saved by running a more sensible (and more to the point free) option like Ubuntu.

Between the fact that all you are doing is decoding HD video and running an optimal operating system, you really do not need a high spec machine to do the task. So if I really wanted a full desktop machine I still wouldnt be paying more than 350-400 tops - and this is in rip off country.

twistybox
January 11th, 2011, 08:47 PM
Ok, my definition of HTPC included recording - I thought I mentioned PVR HTPC when I first states the price. A playback-only system I'd call a media player. Streamer, place shifter, extender, etc. All media players. I suppose if it's connected to your TV it's technically an "HTPC" - just not what I meant.

I wouldn't consider building a PC-based system simply for media playback. If I did, it most definitely would not run Windows. :)

The only reason I even run Windows on the PVR server is so I can run a couple of other Windows-specific things in addition to SageTV and Squeezebox Server, such as MP3Tag. SageTV does develop the Windows version before the Linux though, so it's nice to stay as timely as possible.

squale
January 12th, 2011, 11:39 AM
couple questions about the BBox..

1.) what hardware is inside this thing? processor, graphics card, RAM, etc.?

2.) will there be any 3rd party remotes made for the BBox that maybe include a trackpad or a mouse pointer in the remote? I would think web browsing on the BBox would be very difficult using the included BBox remote?

stevo81989
January 12th, 2011, 11:46 AM
couple questions about the BBox..

1.) what hardware is inside this thing? processor, graphics card, RAM, etc.?

2.) will there be any 3rd party remotes made for the BBox that maybe include a trackpad or a mouse pointer in the remote? I would think web browsing on the BBox would be very difficult using the included BBox remote?

There is a CE4110 intel processor that has a 1.2Ghz Intel Atom CPU with a PowerVR SGX535 Integrated graphics processor), 1GB of RAM memory, and 1GB of NAND Flash Memory. It can play (according to boxee) a 1080p 90mb/s file which is bigger than you would ever need.

2. the remote uses RF instead of IR. I mean its not impossible but because it isnt a mainstream, widespread device it isnt likely to have a bevy of mul;tiple controllers. However there are a couple apps for iOS, WebOS, and Android. And the current remote works great...in a well lit room

squale
January 12th, 2011, 12:06 PM
ah so basically all the hardware is embedded on a single chip in the BBox huh? pretty interesting.. I thought things needed seperate video cards, processor board, etc.

sounds like pretty good hardware!

btw.. what O.S. is running underneath the hardware? it amazes me that compared to say a Windows 7 system, you need SO MUCH MORE powerful hardware just to get the same performance out of windows as you would running Linux or Apple OS, etc... wonder why that is?

darkfire
January 12th, 2011, 12:38 PM
ah so basically all the hardware is embedded on a single chip in the BBox huh? pretty interesting.. I thought things needed seperate video cards, processor board, etc.

sounds like pretty good hardware!

btw.. what O.S. is running underneath the hardware? it amazes me that compared to say a Windows 7 system, you need SO MUCH MORE powerful hardware just to get the same performance out of windows as you would running Linux or Apple OS, etc... wonder why that is?

It is using a minimal embedded linux.
Windows 7 doesn't really need much. Apple 10 is pretty much up there with windows 7 on hardware needs. Linux needs the least. Linux graphical desktop enviroments using Beryl/Compiz Fusion, need decent graphics card with acceleration.

stevo81989
January 12th, 2011, 12:50 PM
ah so basically all the hardware is embedded on a single chip in the BBox huh? pretty interesting.. I thought things needed seperate video cards, processor board, etc.

sounds like pretty good hardware!

btw.. what O.S. is running underneath the hardware? it amazes me that compared to say a Windows 7 system, you need SO MUCH MORE powerful hardware just to get the same performance out of windows as you would running Linux or Apple OS, etc... wonder why that is?

Its customized linux. The reason why linux requires much lower power is simply because of the architecture and because I guess Windows requires a lot of stuff to work where as linux doesnt. I guess its just hard to explain for me. A big reason why Windows uses more resources is because of the GUI. It is better in windows 7 but still isnt very efficient. there is an option in Windows Server to run Windows in pure command line only options. If you do that the OS runs on much less powerful hardware.

whipmyhair
January 12th, 2011, 12:58 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883108321

+ boxee software

squale
January 12th, 2011, 01:21 PM
ah interesting.. so by the BBox using lightweight linux, what would you say on average is the hardware requirement... such as 50% less hardware power needed to run lightweight linux and get the same performance as you would under Windows 7?

squale
January 12th, 2011, 01:27 PM
will something like this run Boxee just as fast as the Boxee Box does?

only problem I see with this is that you need to run the Boxee software and then you will NOT be able to pump out 1080p videos to your tv over HDMI. As far as I know ONLY the BBox can get the 1080p out to your tv...



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883108321

+ boxee software

darkfire
January 12th, 2011, 01:29 PM
ah interesting.. so by the BBox using lightweight linux, what would you say on average is the hardware requirement... such as 50% less hardware power needed to run lightweight linux and get the same performance as you would under Windows 7?

No. Its not that simple. Windows 7 is a full operating system. Embedded Linux can only run boxee. As that is what it was compiled to do. Alot of setop boxes use embedded linux, as they are single task box and don't need the full requirements that a full fledge OS such as Windows 7 or Mac OS 10 needs.

darkfire
January 12th, 2011, 01:36 PM
will something like this run Boxee just as fast as the Boxee Box does?

only problem I see with this is that you need to run the Boxee software and then you will NOT be able to pump out 1080p videos to your tv over HDMI. As far as I know ONLY the BBox can get the 1080p out to your tv...

Boxee can use hdmi on computers and it will pump 1080p to the TV on the computer.

The boxee box does not use the processor to decode the video it uses dedicated hardware. Something the Boxee on the computer does no do. Thus the need for a more powerful processor.
Also if you were to to use a computer for boxee. Use windows it supports siverlight so you would get Netflix on it and Vudu is already there.

squale
January 12th, 2011, 02:06 PM
well I've been starting to now second guess if I should stay with the BBox for my 42" plasma high def tv in my bedroom or go instead with something like that Lenovo IdeaCentre Q150 desktop... that thing is a regular computer running windows 7, it has a faster processor, more memory and an included 500gb harddrive from $350 shipped. Plus it comes with that nice looking keyboard with mouse ball thing (looks a lot better than the BBox remote and will definately be much easier to browse the web with). Here is the Lenovo link: http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087¤t-category-id=F5B92698EC7C42929A8B06FA2D4FF6B9&tabname=Overview

So now I am torn, what way do I go? any pros and minus's that you guys can think of?

In my living room I run a Windows 7 Home Premium laptop with Blueray player, HDMI out and Boxee beta software (along with windows media center). This is a nice setup for my living room and a I have a full sized bluetooth keyboard and mouse.. but for my bedroom I want something smaller and not a full keyboard or mouse.

ugg.. so many choices... what to do??? lol
I wonder what system would run Boxee faster.. the BBox or this Lenovo IdeaCentre

stevo81989
January 12th, 2011, 02:11 PM
well I've been starting to now second guess if I should stay with the BBox for my 42" plasma high def tv in my bedroom or go instead with something like that Lenovo IdeaCentre Q150 desktop... that thing is a regular computer running windows 7, it has a faster processor, more memory and an included 500gb harddrive from $350 shipped. Plus it comes with that nice looking keyboard with mouse ball thing (looks a lot better than the BBox remote and will definately be much easier to browse the web with). Here is the Lenovo link: http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087¤t-category-id=F5B92698EC7C42929A8B06FA2D4FF6B9&tabname=Overview

So now I am torn, what way do I go? any pros and minus's that you guys can think of?

In my living room I run a Windows 7 Home Premium laptop with Blueray player, HDMI out and Boxee beta software (along with windows media center). This is a nice setup for my living room and a I have a full sized bluetooth keyboard and mouse.. but for my bedroom I want something smaller and not a full keyboard or mouse.

ugg.. so many choices... what to do??? lol
I wonder what system would run Boxee faster.. the BBox or this Lenovo IdeaCentre

Well lets looks at this logically. Bbox does all hardware encoding. Just because you have a faster processor doesnt mean you have better performance. The bbox is designed to play videos, that PC is not. In terms of which one will run it faster. Boxee Box was designed to run Boxee. Lenovo was not designed to run Boxee. You will get no HD vudu with the PC version either.

So here is the easiest answer. If you want a Box that will be the best to run Boxee ...buy a Boxee Box. If you want something to run Boxee as well as other software spend more for the PC.

pbiancardi
January 12th, 2011, 02:26 PM
You will get no HD vudu with the PC version either.

No Vudu at all with the box...

darcilicious
January 12th, 2011, 02:29 PM
When Vudu becomes available on the box, you'll get HDX / 5.1 movie choices though. You may never see that on the PC version.

squale
January 12th, 2011, 02:41 PM
well why can't you get hardware decoding on the Boxee software running under Windows 7?

and regarding the graphics inside the BBox compared to the nVidia ION... I hear the ION is very fast and MUCH better than integrated graphics...??

darcilicious
January 12th, 2011, 02:48 PM
well why can't you get hardware decoding on the Boxee software running under Windows 7? You can if the GPU and Boxee support it:

Video Card

(for hardware accelerated Flash(10.1) video with Windows Vista, Windows 7 ONLY)

* NVidia Cards: Geforce GTS xxx, Geforce GTX xxx, Geforce GT xxx, Geforce 9xxx, Geforce 8xxx, MCP79 (Ion), MCP78, MCP7A
* ATI Cards: Radeon HD 4xxx, Mobility Radeon HD 4xxx , Radeon HD 3xxx
* Intel Cards: X4500HD (part of G45 chipset), X4500MHD (part of GM45 chipset)
(from: http://boxee.zendesk.com/entries/171685-suggested-hardware)

squale
January 12th, 2011, 02:49 PM
so then YES it sounds like the nVidia ION on the Lenovo Q150 WILL DO hardware decoding then is that correct?

so what is the benefit of the BBox over the Q150 now?

stevo81989
January 12th, 2011, 03:05 PM
so then YES it sounds like the nVidia ION on the Lenovo Q150 WILL DO hardware decoding then is that correct?

so what is the benefit of the BBox over the Q150 now?

Like I said i guess the best thing is that it is built 100% for compatibility with Boxee. You are you free to build your own. there is nothing really bad about it. I mean Boxee just wants you to use their software and so do we!!! From a personal stand point I have found Boxee on Windows 7 to be kinda slow. maybe i just had bad hardware. On the other hand you also get windows media center!!

squale
January 12th, 2011, 03:21 PM
windows media center is TERRIBLE in my opinion... it has the WORST local file broswer I've ever seen... why can't you just view your folder structure just like in Windows Explorer.. Boxee does this correct...

the ONLY thing I like better about Windows Media Center over Boxee is when it comes to fast forwarding or reversing through audio and videos (local or streamed content). The Boxee fast forward/reverse and skip functions are TERRIBLE.. they are super slow, usually the video stops playing and many times the Boxee software freezes up and shuts down.

stevo81989
January 12th, 2011, 03:26 PM
windows media center is TERRIBLE in my opinion... it has the WORST local file broswer I've ever seen... why can't you just view your folder structure just like in Windows Explorer.. Boxee does this correct...

the ONLY thing I like better about Windows Media Center over Boxee is when it comes to fast forwarding or reversing through audio and videos (local or streamed content). The Boxee fast forward/reverse and skip functions are TERRIBLE.. they are super slow, usually the video stops playing and many times the Boxee software freezes up and shuts down.

Ive never used it for local content. I use Boxee. However if you want to watch and record Free OTA video, its hard to beat windows media center. And in all honesty, WMC has a better netflix interface but im ok with the current iteration.

darcilicious
January 12th, 2011, 03:27 PM
Re: WMC and local files: the Media Browser plugin totally rocks :)

ShakeBobWillis
January 12th, 2011, 03:43 PM
the most likely change (IMHO) is that the dlink boxee box may end up getting a remote with more visible buttons and/or a clearer differentiation of of up and down. Right now the keyboard is hard to see and the simplified buttons on the other side of the remote look so similar that it is hard to know whether you are hitting menu or the play/pause button.

After that, it sounds like boxee has deals in the works for boxee boxes by other manufacturers. The hardware should be very similar but there are certainly going to be some small differences but the software should be the same. I wouldn't expect to see any of these until at least 6 months out, maybe much longer.

I'd also expect the whole novelty design/shape to die out with any future revisions. Cute and all, but if they want to be a legitimate contender in the living room they're going to need some more standard box designs.

darcilicious
January 12th, 2011, 03:49 PM
That may happen with other platforms (e.g. the Iomega offering) but I'd be surprised to see a complete redesign of the external unless the internal design undergoes some serious revisions as well (e.g. it would be a completely different D-Link product offering).

gribbli
January 12th, 2011, 03:52 PM
windows media center is TERRIBLE in my opinion... it has the WORST local file broswer I've ever seen... why can't you just view your folder structure just like in Windows Explorer.. Boxee does this correct...

the ONLY thing I like better about Windows Media Center over Boxee is when it comes to fast forwarding or reversing through audio and videos (local or streamed content). The Boxee fast forward/reverse and skip functions are TERRIBLE.. they are super slow, usually the video stops playing and many times the Boxee software freezes up and shuts down.

WMC can be augmented with some plugins, the movie browser plugin for instance is a better experience than the Boxee movies section. Then the other major thing for WMC is the PVR functionality. I used to pass through and record all my sky tv with it - which put it miles ahead of other options. The big let down for a long time was online content, there were good plugins like tunerfree-mce, but I dont know what the online content is like these days.

As far as your options go, if WMC is not for you then I dont really see the point of the overhead of running a Win7 machine. Between the options a Boxee Box and net-tops, i'm starting to veer towards the latter.

Unlike some users I have always considered Boxee sketchy stability wise, but a decision I took between Boxee and XBMC a while back fell on the side of Boxee on the basis that they had a mature online content system (whereas the one on XBMC was pretty much broken at the time) and the fact that Boxee were looking towards the commercial side of things improved chances of support in my mind, not to mention the fact that the Boxee remote looked pretty sweet. There was no doubt though that in all other areas than online, XBMC was superior.

Now that I have a Boxee Box as my media player in the livingroom, my revo has been moved to the bedroom and I figured I would give XBMC another bash on it and, once you have your favourite theme in place, I have to admit Boxee (even v1.0) is looking like the poor relative. A much improved online content system (youtube on it makes you realise how bad leanback really is) - just all round looks more like a finished product.

So if you are open to the possibilities I would advise going for a PC that you can run both Boxee and XBMC and choose you favourite of the two, along side something like a Rii remote (Boxee remote turned out to be meh).