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dustyny
September 11th, 2008, 07:46 PM
I'm sorry if this has been asked before. I tried searching but its been a while and I haven't managed to find the answer.

Why is it that Boxee is able to identify some movies but not all? Is there a naming format that I'm not using. Similar to how you need to name your TV shows "TV Show name;S0xE0x"?

I've tried "Movie name;Year" but that didn't seem to help I've also tried "Movie Name Year" and just "Movie Name". These are very poplar movies so it's not like there isn't an IMDB entry for them and it doesn't seem to relate to the file type either cause I have some MKV movies that detect and some that don't.

I tried running the most recent build, it picked up a few more movies but there is still a lot missing.

Any suggestions?

marcel
September 12th, 2008, 01:58 AM
Hi dustyny

Welcome to boxee..

boxee starts to index your media content in the background we are always trying to make it more effecient ...Did you try to recognize movie manually?

Can you pm a few examples of the movies that are not being identified.

cheers

DarkFox
September 14th, 2008, 02:04 PM
I'm sorry if this has been asked before. I tried searching but its been a while and I haven't managed to find the answer.

Why is it that Boxee is able to identify some movies but not all? Is there a naming format that I'm not using. Similar to how you need to name your TV shows "TV Show name;S0xE0x"?

I've tried "Movie name;Year" but that didn't seem to help I've also tried "Movie Name Year" and just "Movie Name". These are very poplar movies so it's not like there isn't an IMDB entry for them and it doesn't seem to relate to the file type either cause I have some MKV movies that detect and some that don't.

I tried running the most recent build, it picked up a few more movies but there is still a lot missing.

Any suggestions?

Have the same question, following this thread :-)

Gamester17
September 14th, 2008, 02:51 PM
@DarkFox, can maybe you then step up to marcel's requestCan you pm a few examples of the movies that are not being identified.

agentlame
September 17th, 2008, 03:26 PM
Some generic matching tips:

Using: <Movie Title>.<extension> seems to work best.

I had a few that didn't show up, so I went to IMDB and made sure the titles matched exactly. I would say, when in doubt, check the EXACT titling IMDB uses.

I have found that the best way to name a movie that is split into more then one part is:
<Movie Title> <Part>-of-<Parts>.<extension>
so
Chicago 1-of-2.avi
Chicago 2-of-2.avi

Lastly, I don't use colons in files name, just to stay cross-platform compliant with my file system. As a result, I've found using a dash to be best:
<Movie Title> - <Subtitle>.<extension>
so
Star Wars Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back.avi

I have some pretty esoteric movies that show up just fine (IE: "Revolution OS Linux Documentary")

But sometimes your just the mercy of IMDB... For example: "The Neverending Story" always shows up as: "Unendliche Geschichte, Die (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088323/)"

marcel
September 18th, 2008, 02:43 AM
Thanks agentlame for the tip.. i will use this post for referencing movies names ...:)

woof
September 18th, 2008, 05:24 AM
I ran into similar problems with tv shows (Rome in particular). Boxee recognized one episode, but none of the others, even though they were all named the same way (Rome_s1_e1.mp4, etc.).

Renaming the files to "Rome.s01.e01.mp4", etc. fixed the problem, they were all properly indentified by Boxee. If this is a required way to format tv show files, I missed it, and it would be good to make it known. If Boxee is supposed to identify things other than that strict format, Rome seems to throw it for a loop.

Having Boxee recognize the default naming of Handbrake files would nice...

marcel
September 18th, 2008, 05:49 AM
@woof see this thread (http://forum.boxee.tv/showpost.php?p=2284&postcount=8)

enjoy ..:)

xain09
September 18th, 2008, 07:33 AM
About the Never Ending Story. Boxee always lists the original movie name. I've got a couple strange Italian SF movies which have an English title but Boxee takes the original title. I would be nice too choose. And about The Never Ending Story... it was a German/American co-production that's why ;)

manonfire
October 25th, 2008, 09:54 AM
Does Boxee consider the folder the file is found in when deciding what it is called?

Sometimes, my files may have a rather esoteric name, but they are foldered correctly. Whereas my TV is usually well named.

Video
-Movies
--Snakes On a Plan
---SOAP.xvid.avi (i.e this name might not match IMDB, but its folder will)
-TV
--Shameless
---Series 1
----Shamesless.S02E03.avi

agentlame
October 25th, 2008, 09:58 AM
Does Boxee consider the folder the file is found in when deciding what it is called?

Sometimes, my files may have a rather esoteric name, but they are foldered correctly. Whereas my TV is usually well named.

well, you're in a uniquely ironic situation...

boxee considers the folder structure, when identifying tv shows, but not movies.

manonfire
October 25th, 2008, 10:04 AM
Bugger.

I'll have to have a gander and see how bad it is, currently I browse the folder structure off my NAS through a PS3 -> HDTV.

Been playing with Boxee on my Mac, and certainly loving it. I'll see how it gets on, I can tell that its pulling info from my NAS, so once its built up I'll see how bad it is.

Now just to find ATV cheap!

Sidenote: Here is a real example of Movies, on my NAS:

./Movies/007 - James Bond Collection/Live And Let Die - 1973 :
incite-lald.ue.xvid.cd1.avi
incite-lald.ue.xvid.cd2.avi

./Movies/Bourne Trilogy/Identity:
bid-cd1-dcn.avi
bid-cd2-dcn.avi

chezzo
January 5th, 2009, 05:26 AM
boxee considers the folder structure, when identifying tv shows, but not movies.

really? it doesn't seem to work very well!
i've just started using boxee, and have found that a large amount of my tv shows are given the wrong titles, even though they are foldered correctly

for example, i'd expect boxee to recognise that the file "Videos/Futurama/Season 4/12 The Sting.avi" is episode 12 of season 4 of futurama, entitled "The Sting"... instead it's recognised as this film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_sting)

is it possible to change my foldering system slightly so boxee recognises my tv shows, or will i have to rename all the files to something like "Futurama.412.The Sting.avi"?

pax85
January 5th, 2009, 12:45 PM
really? it doesn't seem to work very well!
i've just started using boxee, and have found that a large amount of my tv shows are given the wrong titles, even though they are foldered correctly

for example, i'd expect boxee to recognise that the file "Videos/Futurama/Season 4/12 The Sting.avi" is episode 12 of season 4 of futurama, entitled "The Sting"... instead it's recognised as this film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_sting)

is it possible to change my foldering system slightly so boxee recognises my tv shows, or will i have to rename all the files to something like "Futurama.412.The Sting.avi"?
You should rename TV Shows to: Futurama.S04E12.EXT and so on. The Episode Title is not necessary, because Boxee will retrieve it from www.thetvdb.com anyway. The folder structure is fine.


TV-Shows generally work perfectly for me. Boxee recognized all 17 shows that I watch.
But I'm generally rather puzzled by the movie recognition.
I usually use Movie.Name.Year.EXT. But there are a few that are always left out by Boxee. Rambo III or Hero Wanted for example :).

chezzo
January 6th, 2009, 02:43 AM
You should rename TV Shows to: Futurama.S04E12.EXT and so on. The Episode Title is not necessary, because Boxee will retrieve it from www.thetvdb.com anyway. The folder structure is fine.

yes, but what i was actually asking was: is there any way i can keep my filenames in a format still understandable by a human being, while still having boxee recognise them? since agentlame said "boxee considers the folder structure, when identifying tv shows", i assumed this meant i'd be able to get it to recognise my tv shows by file structure alone, leaving the filenames unchanged

the thing is, i'm only a casual user of boxee and, due to the general buggy crashiness of the alpha release, i don't think i'll be using it to play all my videos and music any time soon. therefore i'd quite like to keep my filenames in a format that i can easily understand when i want to open them in other players.

also, on a side-note, this whole futurama thing also raises another question - futurama has 2 different ways of numbering its episodes and seasons - in the production order and in the broadcast order. i prefer to number them in the production order since this is the order the creators wanted. however, thetvdb.com has them all listed in the other order, although production order is still listed as "DVD season" and "DVD episode number". if i want to get boxee to work properly, is it going to force me to change all the numbers to how thetvdb.com wants them?

agentlame
January 6th, 2009, 03:12 AM
yes, but what i was actually asking was: is there any way i can keep my filenames in a format still understandable by a human being, while still having boxee recognise them? since agentlame said "boxee considers the folder structure, when identifying tv shows", i assumed this meant i'd be able to get it to recognise my tv shows by file structure alone, leaving the filenames unchanged

i should have been more clear... boxee places it's importance on filename. the filenames must follow this convention: http://forum.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=1147
what i meant was that boxee doesn't consider folder-naming at all, when identifying movies.

also, on a side-note, this whole futurama thing also raises another question - futurama has 2 different ways of numbering its episodes and seasons - in the production order and in the broadcast order. i prefer to number them in the production order since this is the order the creators wanted. however, thetvdb.com has them all listed in the other order, although production order is still listed as "DVD season" and "DVD episode number". if i want to get boxee to work properly, is it going to force me to change all the numbers to how thetvdb.com wants them?
the short-and-simple is: yes... right now, it's thetvdb or nothing. sorry to be so flat.


i hope that--as it progresses--boxee will find a more prominent place in your media life; if it does, it's best to just rename your files.

chezzo
January 6th, 2009, 07:56 AM
ok thanks for the help anyway

just one last question... is it possible to keep the episode name in the filename? i saw reference somewhere to being able to put "info" between the episode number and the extension, e.g. Futurama.S04E12.The_Sting.avi

pax85
January 6th, 2009, 08:10 AM
ok thanks for the help anyway

just one last question... is it possible to keep the episode name in the filename? i saw reference somewhere to being able to put "info" between the episode number and the extension, e.g. Futurama.S04E12.The_Sting.avi
Should be no problem, as long as Futurama.S04E12 is the 'prefix'.

timofcourse
October 16th, 2009, 05:41 PM
Bump on a slightly old thread, but how does Boxee handle movie titles that have invalid filename characters? For example, one of the movies Boxee doesnt recognize is the last Alien vs. Predator movie. IMDB has it as "AVPR: Aliens vs Predator - Requiem". Obviously, I cant put a colon in the filename.

Does boxee ignore these characters or is there a way to get around this issue?

Thanks!

thlindblad
March 13th, 2011, 05:42 AM
Although most movies are identified, there are a few which are NOT. If you need some examples, here are some: A Different Loyalty, From the Earth to the Moon, Riddle of the Sands.

I thought that putting an jpg-file with a 147x200 pixels cover image in the same folder as the movie, then Boxee would find this if finding nothing else OR there should be a way to choose this file. No????

darcilicious
March 13th, 2011, 10:03 AM
Although most movies are identified, there are a few which are NOT. If you need some examples, here are some: A Different Loyalty, From the Earth to the Moon, Riddle of the Sands.

What are the exact filenames for these movies? have you tried to manually identify them in Boxee using the manual identify function?

I thought that putting an jpg-file with a 147x200 pixels cover image in the same folder as the movie, then Boxee would find this if finding nothing else OR there should be a way to choose this file. No????

already asked and answered here: http://forums.boxee.tv/showthread.php?p=171412#post171412

JenkNZ
March 13th, 2011, 03:28 PM
when manually identifiying movies, does all the info retain after powering off and on?

darcilicious
March 13th, 2011, 03:39 PM
does all the info retain after powering off and on? Yes it does.

JenkNZ
March 13th, 2011, 03:55 PM
Yes it does.

Thanks, I have a movie shank, 2010 UK film. It came up with poster image for a homosexual movie (2009 Shank), i changed it with manual id, then i switched on and off, and its back to the homo movie image, its kinda funny always ending up an image with 2 guys in a passionate embrace after trying to get rid of it, most likely gonna get some grief when my buddies flick thru my movie library.

filesname is shank (2010)

darcilicious
March 13th, 2011, 03:58 PM
Hahaha, that's a cover art problem -- what a funny one. I think the best you can do is report the problem in the form linked to from this page:

http://support.boxee.tv/entries/90011-my-movie-was-not-recognized-or-was-incorrectly-recognized

and explain that Boxee is picking up the wrong cover art.