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flabber
October 2nd, 2008, 06:47 AM
Hello everyone :)

I just wanted to say that Boxee worked wonders on their version of the ATV-"addition"! I also had a question which I couldn't find the answer of on the internet.

If you patch your ATV with either Boxee or XMBC, how would one remove that patch from the ATV? Is there something as simple as a "delete" button which removes the entire patch?

Additionally, after this patch, will a keyboard and/or mouse work on the ATV?

Thanks for the help and information in advance people :)

marcel
October 2nd, 2008, 08:06 AM
hi flabber

if for some strange reason you wanted to remove boxee :)you can just restore factory settings ( setting>general >reset settings ) via appletv and everything would be back to normal..

flabber
October 2nd, 2008, 08:23 AM
Yup... figured it had to be something that simple :)
Thanks for the quick response!

Another couple of questions that came into my mind... in the Boxeeblog there is a post that mentions the future ability to use keyboards/mouses with the ATV. I couldn't find any information wether this is already implemented in the current Alpha. Do you know if this is included?

Also, where do we put our files (MKV's and such)? Do we simply make a folder of some sort on the Mac and then do some wifi-magic with Boxee? :)

I have to say that I'm very intreagued by Boxee, hehe. All that manual hacking isn't my cup-o-tea, but it looks like there's finally a good upgrade tot he ATV.

One last thing though;
Since this is an Alpha release, is there anything known about the future of Boxee? I mean, Apple probably isn't all too happy about hacking the ATV, but I would love to see Boxee grow into a community with a plentifull amount of additional plugins (Skype via Bluetooth-headsets + USB webcam anyone?) :)

Thanks again everyone!

davilla
October 2nd, 2008, 02:03 PM
One last thing though;
Since this is an Alpha release, is there anything known about the future of Boxee? I mean, Apple probably isn't all too happy about hacking the ATV, but I would love to see Boxee grow into a community with a plentifull amount of additional plugins (Skype via Bluetooth-headsets + USB webcam anyone?) :)
!

I would not worry about it, The AppleTV has been under going independent enhancements for about 2 years now. Apple does not care or they would have closed the boot vector by now.

jellofiend
October 2nd, 2008, 02:09 PM
I would not worry about it, The AppleTV has been under going independent enhancements for about 2 years now. Apple does not care or they would have closed the boot vector by now.

I am no so sure they can close the boot vector, they need some sort of port for diagnostics...and it would be fairly short sighted of them to remove a perfectly good USB port and put in a proprietary diagnostics port

iBog
October 2nd, 2008, 02:17 PM
Apple inevitably has plans for the Apple TV. Either it's part of the "brick" rumors or it will continue to be a niche product primarily intended to sell content from iTunes.

On the iPhone, Podcaster discovered what happens when you mess with iTunes... your application is removed from the app store for producing functionality that seemingly competes with Apple.

Considering the success of the app store, I expect Apple to extend this to the Apple TV once it takes-off in popularity like the iPhone (that is, if they ever plan to have an Apple TV SDK).

Although I want an official SDK for the Apple TV, this would also mean Apple would continue to be heavy handed about what they permit. Until then, I think XBMC or Boxee on the Apple TV are flying under the radar. However, anything that threatens iTunes revenue will get Apple's attention and you better believe they will do something about it.

The past two-years has been quiet from Apple regarding modding the Apple TV. I think this is because it's such a niche product at the moment and they're still trying to work on expanding their video library in iTunes. It might be worth noting that Apple has been slimming down the Apple TV OS and removing some service that would be useful to modders (though it could be argued this reduces potential vulnerabilities and eliminates services not required by the Apple TV).

davilla
October 2nd, 2008, 05:36 PM
The AppleTV boot.efi is has encrypted certs inside. EFI firmware will only boot using a valid boot.efi. Apple has the ability to extend this cert chain into the mach_kernel. It's present under 10.5 but is not enabled.

If Apple extends the boot.efi cert chain into the mach_kernel on the AppleTV, then "game over" as this is the real boot vector, not the USB port.

Apple has had 5 chances to do this but has not. They don't care. They have removed bits and pieces that are not required for their purposes, it's industry standard process of refining the embedded build to only have what is required. If what they remove effects us independent developers, it's too bad but we don't factor into their plans.

Remember that Apple always takes the long road on any of their products. The AppleTV is no hobby for them and they do have a plan. Now what that plan is, not a clue :)

flabber
October 3rd, 2008, 04:56 AM
The thing with Apple is that they usually let the first version of their products be the "guinneapig" ones. See what the consumer thinks about it, and then come up with a múch better v.2. They did it with the iPhone, the iPods, iMacs and my guess is they'll do the same with the ATV's :)

But to get back to one of my questions ;)
Could someone tell me where to put the MKV-movies if I want to play them through Boxee? I assume it's not done through iTunes since it doesn't recognise these files, hehe.

avneron
October 3rd, 2008, 09:08 AM
you can play your MKVs over the network, go to Settings->Media Sources->Network Sources and select the device you'd like to connect to.

if you'd like to play content from the HD of the Apple TV then add a Local Source.. or put the files under /Users/frontrow/Movies on your Apple TV

iBog
October 3rd, 2008, 11:49 AM
I agree Apple could lock the Apple TV down whenever they want nd they haven't chosen to do so yet.

Many of the gaming console manufacturers fight against modding because I believe they sell the hardware at a low cost to be recovered in game sales. I don't know if Apple sells the Apple TV at a loss or low margin to help with iTune sales.

All I'm saying, if Apple feels the modding threatens revenue from the iTunes store they will likely take very fast action. Take the Netflix API (I have no idea what possibilities it opens). Do you think Apple would be threatened if Apple TV owners could purchase or rent content from another source, like Netflix, instead of iTunes?

snown
October 3rd, 2008, 08:47 PM
Another couple of questions that came into my mind... in the Boxeeblog there is a post that mentions the future ability to use keyboards/mouses with the ATV. I couldn't find any information wether this is already implemented in the current Alpha. Do you know if this is included?

I too would like to see this feature come to fruition. because as much as I like the Apple remote... it's not so good for data entry :D

Coda
October 5th, 2008, 06:25 AM
IMO, If something like Netflix (read iTunes store competitor) got ported to AppleTV, then it's game over for casual patchstick AppleTV hacking.

ShakeBobWillis
October 26th, 2008, 02:00 PM
IMO, If something like Netflix (read iTunes store competitor) got ported to AppleTV, then it's game over for casual patchstick AppleTV hacking.

Even if they create an update that removes the ability to hack you just get around it by not updating.