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lparsons21
March 17th, 2009, 02:13 PM
I've installed boxee on my Apple TV and frankly I'm a bit disappointed.

I started out by getting internet videos. Not very good. Lots of stuttering and jerkiness. So I thought why not use it to get streams from my Playon server?

So I set that up. Hmm... Still jerkiness and stuttering, and it spends more time buffering than playing the video. Tried a reboot of the ATV, a reboot of the Windows/Playon box and still no help.

Also tried this with XBMC. No better.

So the question is, is the ATV not powerful enough to run boxee or xbmc and do video, or is the software level just not quite there.

For info, that same Playon server mates up fine with my PS3.

thanks
Lloyd

marcel
March 18th, 2009, 08:50 AM
what format are the movies you are trying to play? How fast is your internet speed?

lparsons21
March 18th, 2009, 10:09 AM
what format are the movies you are trying to play? How fast is your internet speed?

I don't know what format the movies are in when being fed to the ATV from Playon. But I checked with Netflix, CBS and Hulu. When using the Playon server, boxee and XBMC can both deal with the video/audio stream. Even the older boxee version that doesn't get along with Hulu.

Here's the blurb from their website :

"MediaMall's PlayOn software is a UPnP digital media server and browser that pulls RSS feeds from content providers, and presents them to DLNA-compliant networked media devices. In plain English, this means you can use your game console or networked television to access content from providers like YouTube, Netflix and Hulu. The PC software pulls in the media streams, in the same way as your web browser, and then sends them directly over your home network to your device, even converting their formats on the fly to make sure the devices can play them. Simple as that."

My internet service is 3mbit DSL and is more than enough to handle the video streams as evidenced by being able to view them smoothly on other devices. And the Playon server is streaming across the internal wireless 802.11n/802.11g dual-band network good enough for the PS3 to handle the Playon stream.

boxee on my mac mini seems to have no problem with the Playon stream also. Kind of points to the Apple TV not having the oomph, or the boxee implementation not being quite there, doesn't it?

Currently I'm setup as follows :

iMac w/Parallels running WinXP, 1GB ram allocated to that and running the Playon server.

The network is all wireless after the DSL modem/router. I come from the DSL to an Apple Airport Time Capsule. The iMac gets the data from the internet over the 802.11n network and then distributes it back to the network on demand. The 802.11n is a 270mbit wireless for info.

The Apple TV is on 802.11n also, but I did check it attached to the 802.11g network with no performance difference.

I think, but do not know enough, that the PS3 DNLA client buffers more than does boxee/xbmc. My reasoning is that the PS3 takes a bit longer to start running the viewing than does the Apple TV w/boxee/xbmc. I certainly could be wrong here.

Note that all testing was done with only the Apple TV, PS3 and iMac running, and at no time was the DNLA client running on both the ATV and PS3 at the same time.

After my morning golf today, I plan on moving some things around so that the iMac is hardwired to the network and only internal network traffic will be over the wireless network. Frankly, I don't expect that to make a difference, but I'm willing to do that, and it is something I had been considering for awhile anyway.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Lloyd

lparsons21
March 18th, 2009, 10:10 AM
Check that thing http://sourceradix.com/h24.html

Bad link...

lparsons21
March 18th, 2009, 05:12 PM
I made some changes in the network. Moved the Playon server to a hardwired ethernet port and left the rest of the network alone.

Still have the same issues. Which leads right back to the Apple TV and/or boxee/xbmc not having enough oomph to handle the video streams.

Note that I can and do stream video from iTunes on this same Playon box to the Apple TV just fine.

rbeynon
March 21st, 2009, 11:29 AM
I don't think the problem is with your PlayOn server or your ATV.

I have PlayOn running on a hardwired PC and two ATVs also hardwired and I'm sitting here right now watching Hulu and NetFlix using both Boxee and XBMC. I would say your problem is with your wireless network and/or your internet connection.

I had a MediaCenter with MCE players that I had to hardwire because I couldn't get a reliable wireless stream. It would freak out when someone would use the microwave or cordless phone.

Try hardwiring your ATV to your network and see what that does. Remember that your wireless network is open to so much interference that depending on your environment, many video streaming systems will have a problem.

lparsons21
March 21st, 2009, 12:27 PM
I have had one end or the other hardwired, but not both. I'll try that today and see if that improves the performance.

For info, I can use boxee just fine for CBS direct and not through the playon server and it works smoothly. And streaming from my iTunes library on my iMac to my ATV wirelessly is flawless.

lparsons21
March 21st, 2009, 01:10 PM
I don't think the problem is with your PlayOn server or your ATV.

I have PlayOn running on a hardwired PC and two ATVs also hardwired and I'm sitting here right now watching Hulu and NetFlix using both Boxee and XBMC. I would say your problem is with your wireless network and/or your internet connection.

I had a MediaCenter with MCE players that I had to hardwire because I couldn't get a reliable wireless stream. It would freak out when someone would use the microwave or cordless phone.

Try hardwiring your ATV to your network and see what that does. Remember that your wireless network is open to so much interference that depending on your environment, many video streaming systems will have a problem.

OK. I moved the Playon server to a hardwired connection. This is running on an iMac, 2.4Ghz dual-core, Parallels and Windows XP.

I changed the connection on the AppleTV over to wired, powered down for a minute and brought it back up.

With either boxee or xbmc, the video/audio is herky-jerky with lots of buffering going on. Unsatisfactory.

I then checked with both my mac mini with boxee on the wireless side of the network, all is good. Smooth operation, no burps, no incessant buffering.

Then checked on my PS3 running on the wireless side of the network with the same smooth, no burp operation.

So while I believe you when you say it works for you, it sure doesn't work for me. I had considered getting some el-cheapo windows box and dedicating it to Playon, but I'll save some money. I'll just use the PS3 for this useage and keep monitoring the changes to boxee along the way.

Thanks for the suggestion, and frankly I thought maybe that might be the fix. But since the PS3 has been sucking from the Playon server on wireless, with the PS3 being wireless, with no issues, I didn't hold out much hope.

If the network or the DSL was the issue, then the problems should also be on the PS3 and they aren't.