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Old November 13th, 2010, 07:53 PM
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Hey guys,

I am trying to consolidate info that i have and guidance folks have posted on the forums into a more standard FAQ. Starting from a rough draft, I would love to get this ironed out and posted in a more visible space. First off though, i want to make sure that it has enough information to help people navigate through their issues.

I'll continue to post on other threads and add guidance to this top post as needed, or feel free to post additional advice you have below. File sharing shouldn't require anything overly complicated on your windows/osx/linux machine, so if you have only had success using something tricky, i'd love to have a chance to troubleshoot with you a bit.

Thanks. Any comments/feedback very much appreciated -

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Scanning the local network

When you first power on Boxee, you'll be prompted to configure your network setup. Once you've done this we will start scanning your local network looking for two things:

* Computers and network attached storage devices supporting the SMB protocol
* UPnP/DLNA devices capable of acting as a Media Server

SMB is implemented by Windows, MacOS, Linux, and most network attached storage devices. It is an extremely common and well tested protocol for accessing files over a network. Boxee supports adding SMB servers as a "content source" from which we'll index, identify, and categorize movies, pictures, and music.

Boxee takes a very aggressive approach to locating SMB servers:

* We issue broadcast search queries using the traditional (NetBIOS) method used in MacOS, Linux, Network Attached Storage devices, and Windows versions up to and including Windows XP
* We issue multicast search queries using the more recent (Web Services) method used in Windows Vista and Windows 7
* We send a direct message to every possible node on your home network checking to see if they support the NetBIOS method

This approach helps minimize the impact of misconfigured networks and variations between desktop operating systems. A precondition for this approach is the ability to use NetBIOS to communicate with the server.

After we have searched and located all of the machines we believe support SMB on your subnet, we start indexing shares from these servers so you can browse and add content sources.

Troubleshooting

If we don't find your network share, there are a few possibilities. First off, our odds of being successful go up if the boxee box is on the same network as the file server. Typically this is as easy as ensuring they are hooked up to the same router.

Second, if we don't see your share in the files -> network section, the odds are not good that we will properly locate and scan it if added manually. The reason is the manual addition of servers is designed to cover cases where the server is not on the local subnet (such as complex home network configurations); if you manually add a server that is on the local subnet, Boxee will try to verify that it is online using similar techniques to how it discovers the servers it shows in the file browser.

If your file share is on a Mac OSX machine:

1) Make sure your shares are exposed via SMB: go to system preferences, sharing, file sharing (ensure this is enabled), options, and check 'Share files and folders using SMB (Windows)'
2) Make sure your shares are available either via a guest account, or via a user account you can enter on your boxee box.

If your file share is on a Linux machine:

1) Make sure you have a netbios name set for your machine (typically in /etc/smb.conf or /etc/samba/smb.conf) and that you have your shares set as browsable.
2) Make sure the nmbd (netbios name resolution, this is part of samba) is running on your server; without this you will need to add your shares manually using the ip address
3) If possible, validate that you can access the shares from another machine
4) Ensure that either a) your shares are marked as guest accessible, or b) your shares are accessible by a user account that you can enter on your boxee box.
5) Ensure you have file permissions set on the share in line with the user account you use; if you use a guest account to access the share, you must ensure that read permissions are available for the guest user

If your file share is on a Windows Vista or Windows 7 machine:

1) Ensure your network interface is marked as 'home'. Windows ties a huge amount of state in file sharing support and firewall configuration to the network type.
2) Ensure you either have guest access enabled and your file shares are marked as readable by everyone, or that you have your folders shared by a specific user account you can enter on your boxee box.
3) In your networking settings, make sure that file sharing is enabled; this should be set by default if your network interface is set to home, but it may be disabled on accident
4) If possible, browse your network using explorer (open an explorer pane, go to the lower left and select network, then choose your workgroup - which is probably 'WORKGROUP' or 'MSHOME' - make sure your machine shows up there)
5) If you are using user accounts, you may need to ensure that security on the folders and files you are accessing allows 'everyone'. It is worth noting that if you configure a homegroup, file permissions are set correctly for your files.
6) Very important - it is worth noting that the security access on shares can show one thing in the 'share ...' section and a completely different thing in 'advanced settings' -> 'permissions' section. You need to ensure that both of these sections are aligned, otherwise you may get access denied issues.

If your file share is on a Windows XP machine:

1) Make sure you either have a firewall exception that covers file sharing, or that you have the firewall disabled. The inbox firewall for Windows XP SP2 and SP3 has a simple configuration for this, as do most third party firewall applications.

Odds and ends for Windows machines:
*) If your windows machine is part of a Windows domain (this is sometimes the case on larger company networks), you'll need to have a local machine user account (preferably not the administrator account) that you can give read access to your shares. This local machine user account will be the one you use from the boxee box, not your Windows domain account

*) If your network is part of a domain configured with IPSec (very rare) you may need to check with your IT administrator to ensure that NetBIOS and SMB are accessible by non-domain devices.

*) If you are still getting prompted for credentials and unable to access your windows share, and you've removed windows live essentials, and you no matter what cannot get things to work, you can try what some wdtv live owners have done to correct windows security policy around file sharing. Please note these are advanced settings and you should set a restore point prior to trying these:

Quote:
1. Start > type 'Secpol.msc' .... Navigate to 'Local Policies' > 'Security Options' > 'Network access: Restrict anonymous access to Named Pipes and Shares' ... changed from 'enabled' to 'disabled'.

2. Preform the following registry changes...
a. Navigate to 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contr ol\Lsa' ...
i. On the right side, double-click on 'everyoneincludesanonymous' and change the 'Value data' from '0' to '1'
ii. On the right side, double-click on 'NoLmHash' and change the 'Value data' from '1' to '0'
b. Navigate to 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Servi ces\Lanman Server\Parameters'
i. Double-click on 'restrictnullsessaccess' and change the 'Value data' from '1' to '0' (Note: this value was allready set to 0 for me)

3. Re-boot your PC, then navigate to the network shares on WDTV Live and hopefully this will work for you to.
Known issues

* When streaming high bitrate content from a Windows 7 machine, i sometimes see rebuffering, but don't see this from Windows Home Server or other file shares
-- Windows 7 appears to significantly reduce the bandwidth for background file transfers when other tasks run by default. Server versions of windows don't do this as they try to keep equal priority for all tasks. You can reconfigure Windows 7 to keep an equal priority for file serving by following steps in this post: http://forums.boxee.tv/showpost.php?...6&postcount=36
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Last edited by dconti; December 14th, 2010 at 12:15 PM. Reason: add notes on file permissions, workaround for WLE, workaround for nmbd not running, notes on sharing on windows
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Old November 13th, 2010, 08:10 PM
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Thanks. Any comments/feedback very much appreciated -

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Dan - hope I didn't miss this info - but I don't see where it's mentioned, that on a Windows 7 share to also set the 'security' settings to allow 'everyone' - this has unlocked a few sharing scenarios on other media players for me in the past - and I can't say for sure if it helped me set up Boxee without issue because I simply 'do it' when setting the Boxee App and recently the Boxee Box

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Old November 13th, 2010, 08:17 PM
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Dan - hope I didn't miss this info - but I don't see where it's mentioned, that on a Windows 7 share to also set the 'security' settings to allow 'everyone' - this has unlocked a few sharing scenarios on other media players for me in the past - and I can't say for sure if it helped me set up Boxee without issue because I simply 'do it' when setting the Boxee App and recently the Boxee Box
hey, thanks for the tip, much appreciated. let me try that out a bit on monday and i'll update the thread. i *think* it should work without requiring that, but i'd rather be certain
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Old November 13th, 2010, 10:03 PM
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I am not alone in saying this but I did have to do a few tricky things to get sharing working. I had to disable media streaming. As well I had share the folder with everyone via advanced networking, simply sharing it did nothing. I can browse the folder structure, but nothing is indexed (even when told to manually.) While I can select and watch movies, I am greeted with a notice that my sources are disconnected. I am using win 7 x64 pro. No live installed. Computer is hooked up through a client bridge (ddwrt) to main router (stock dlink.)


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Old November 14th, 2010, 02:58 AM
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5) If possible, uninstall Windows Live Essentials pack - this has reportedly caused problems with file sharing from windows machines
How could this possibly cause problems? I don't understand how having some photo viewing and IM apps installed should impact Boxee?
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Old November 14th, 2010, 03:10 AM
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Windows Live 2011 is evil as far as I can tell I've read reports elsewhere of it breaking other things before the Boxee Box was released...

Here's one example: http://community.wdc.com/t5/General-...ase/td-p/20412

A little googling could probably find more.
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Old November 14th, 2010, 05:23 AM
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The other thing that really tied me up was that I had a firewall on my media source. The Boxee Box couldn't even see the media source until I resolved that.

Windows systems come with a firewall and it is necessary to configure it to allow local computers access. (btw, if you're a Comcast subscriber and you've installed Norton360, that includes a firewall as well).
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Old November 14th, 2010, 07:46 AM
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I am not alone in saying this but I did have to do a few tricky things to get sharing working. I had to disable media streaming. As well I had share the folder with everyone via advanced networking, simply sharing it did nothing. I can browse the folder structure, but nothing is indexed (even when told to manually.) While I can select and watch movies, I am greeted with a notice that my sources are disconnected. I am using win 7 x64 pro. No live installed. Computer is hooked up through a client bridge (ddwrt) to main router (stock dlink.)

This is the exact problem I have. I have 2 different shares, with the identical problem:
system A: Windows XP Pro x32
system B: Windows Vista Home
wireless router: Linksys WRT160N

Also, my home network's WORKGROUP name is "W0", if that makes any difference

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Old November 14th, 2010, 09:35 AM
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no matter what I do, I can see computers on my network (all Win 7) from BB but I can't access their shared folders. When I try to see the shared folders BB asks for username and password and none seems to work (whether username on the Win computer, "guest" or nothing). This is strange because all win 7 computers on the network have no problem seeing and browsing one another's shared folder without the need to enter a password.
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Old November 14th, 2010, 10:00 AM
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I have different issue, I connect to my WHS share, but have to re enter password every time I restart boxee. With 12 shares that could get annoying fast. On PC version of boxee there is a setting to store password but not on the box. Real bumper.
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